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Wakizashi the Bolshevik
27th June 2009, 15:42
I think the title is pretty obvious: do you fear death?
It'sabout being dead itself, not about dying of waiting to die, but about the state of being dead and no longer alive.

mel
27th June 2009, 15:47
I wasn't sure about the answer. I fear dying, I think that's human and anybody who claims that they don't is lying or overconfident that they wont' experience it anytime soon. I love being alive, and I want to make that last for as long as possible.

I don't fear the state of being dead, I think that's silly as once you are dead you don't much care anymore.

I do fear that death will come for me too soon. (because it always does)

Wakizashi the Bolshevik
27th June 2009, 15:52
I wasn't sure about the answer. I fear dying, I think that's human and anybody who claims that they don't is lying or overconfident that they wont' experience it anytime soon. I love being alive, and I want to make that last for as long as possible.

I don't fear the state of being dead, I think that's silly as once you are dead you don't much care anymore.

I do fear that death will come for me too soon. (because it always does)
I agree,
you see I do not fear death because I want to live rationally, and fearing death is completely irrational because it is a natural path we all must take.

But I still have problems sometimes with the process of dying. I think I still fear that process, although I want to stop that fear.

Be that as it may, if it is necessary to give my life for the Communist cause, I will do it because, as I stated in my signature, I view dying for the revolution as living on forever. Dying for the Revolution gives a puropose to ones death.

Invariance
27th June 2009, 15:53
As Woody Allen said, I'm not afraid of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens.

mel
27th June 2009, 16:14
Be that as it may, if it is necessary to give my life for the Communist cause, I will do it because, as I stated in my signature, I view dying for the revolution as living on forever. Dying for the Revolution gives a puropose to ones death.

I don't really understand this attitude. Is this a typical attitude among revolutionaries?

No institution has been more effective at separating people from their lives as has government, and this just sounds like government propaganda to me. A way of consoling soldiers that their lives are worth surrendering over into somebody else's hands, making them feel like something other than cannon fodder.

Does this attitude take on a different character when it is for a country than when it is for an ideology? Is it different just because the cause is communism and not "freedom"?

I'm not saying if things came to it that I would not be willing to fight, although I think an all out physical conflict with capitalists in a western nation would be suicide not revolution, but I am under no delusions that it is some glorious or eternally significant event. It's just another death attributable to capitalism in its final desperate attempts to perpetuate itself.

Dr. Zoidberg
27th June 2009, 16:24
Im not scared of the state of death, I don't think anyone is. And it's not that Im afraid of dying, it's just that I'm not overly concerned about it. If I get shot dead tommorow, I wouldn't be to worried. Some people just don't realize it's a part of the life cycle.

Capitalist-AntiFa
27th June 2009, 16:45
I am not scared of being dead. But I am optimistic about dying. But, my views are there you are reincarnated.

gorillafuck
27th June 2009, 17:04
I'm not afraid of being dead. I do not want to die soon, though.

Vahanian
27th June 2009, 17:17
I dont fear death. its pointless to fear somthing that happens to everyone

F9
27th June 2009, 17:27
I cant be sure, but i can tell you for sure, is not something that i cant wait for...
The thing which you describe though "the state of being dead and no longer alive" dont seems to be too logical to be afraid of something which you wont feel.

Fuserg9:star:

Bitter Ashes
27th June 2009, 17:29
I'm not afraid of the possibility of bieng in a state of death.
The process of dieing might be worth fearing though, especially if you die with your mind filled with regret.

Il Medico
27th June 2009, 17:44
Death is part of life. No one can escape it. Why fear something that is going to happen? It is like fearing the night, it will come, there is no way to stop it, and there is no reason to fear it.

Le Libérer
27th June 2009, 18:27
There are many things about life I feared. I feared getting my period. I feared having a baby. I fear going through menopause, well not fear but dont look forward to it. But death, the thought of it really just pisses me off, that I will cease to be no longer be.

ComradeOm
27th June 2009, 18:33
I don't really understand this attitude. Is this a typical attitude among revolutionaries?It pops up every so often. Particularly amongst supposed 'radicals' who are in fact only tangentially connected to revolutionary currents. Probably the most famous example would be the author Chernyshevsky whose novel What Is To Be Done? portrays the protagonist as an almost superhuman 'man of steel' devoid of emotion and entirely dedicated to the revolutionary cause. Its an archetype that echoes through each generation

Of course while the labour movement has countless numbers of martyrs to its name, I doubt very many of these real heroes were so vocal or enthusiastic about embracing the grave

Edit: As for myself, I find it hard to focus on what I'll be doing next week. Looking ahead to death is not something I indulgence in

*Viva La Revolucion*
27th June 2009, 19:06
I'm an atheist and I believe that death is the end of everything (well... it is for the dead person). I'm always puzzled by people who don't fear - or say they don't fear -death. It terrifies me and I don't see how you can help fearing the state of not-existing. No talking, no friends, no music, no books, no food, no movement, no life. And it's endless. You'll never be alive again. Of course it scares me. I just try to distract myself by doing various practical things - it doesn't scare me when I'm not thinking about it. ;)

yuon
28th June 2009, 04:45
I do not feel upset about the vast period of time before I was alive. Why should I feel upset about the period of time after I am alive?

The act of dying, is perhaps, worthy of fear. After all, dying is generally associated with pain, and I don't much like pain (maybe I just haven't had the right sexual partner...).

But after? I am a materialist. I believe that there is no spiritual world, no soul, no god, and no existence of the individual mind once the body ceases to provide support to it (at least until we can upload minds to computers...).

I won't be there when I am dead, what is there to worry about?

fiddlesticks
28th June 2009, 05:08
It would be a pretty futile fear. I'm more afraid what will happen afterwards.

Jimmie Higgins
28th June 2009, 05:48
I'm afraid of death in the abstract - only a suicidal case or idiot wouldn't be. There's no afterlife, so make your life count. But each day you make estimations about what risks are or are not worth it.

I'm afraid of being run over a car, but I know that it is a chance and not worth being a shut-in over. I'm afraid of being beaten or shot by a cop - so I don't throw things at them and I generally stay away from them as much as I can help it. On the other hand, if I was on a picket line or protest and got attacked by the cops I would probably throw something and try and stop them because then any injury or possible death would be part of accomplishing something larger than myself - whereas being beaten because I was walking down my street and threw something at a cop would only accomplish me being beaten.

Il Medico
28th June 2009, 05:53
I think the thing I fear the most is not my own death, but my causing the death of others.

Seodanrot
28th June 2009, 06:04
Death can come at any given time weather we are aware of it approaching or not. It's a useless thing to worry especially if you have documented your life or if others know you well that way you'll be remembered and maybe just maybe some of your own idea's or the way you act in life will be recognized and perhaps emulated if good enough.

Bitter Ashes
28th June 2009, 06:10
It would be a pretty futile fear. I'm more afraid what will happen afterwards.
http://dresdencodak.com/2005/11/29/secular-heaven/
:lol:

Il Medico
28th June 2009, 06:11
Death can come at any given time weather we are aware of it approaching or not. It's a useless thing to worry especially if you have documented your life or if others know you well that way you'll be remembered and maybe just maybe some of your own idea's or the way you act in life will be recognized and perhaps emulated if good enough.
Even written history doesn't last forever. The human race will die. Maybe not until the end of the universe, but even the universe dies. Humanity will cease to exist one day, and that day, we will all, no matter how great or diminutive we are in life will be forgotten. Along with it will die of all the great and tragic things we have done. That is my main concern (about death), no one remembering my existence. (which of course is ultimately inevitable)

Everything Dies.

fiddlesticks
28th June 2009, 06:30
ahahah, volleyball!! :laugh:

Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor
28th June 2009, 08:03
I don't fear death. However, fearing death may be reasonable. If I had the ability to kill you painlessly, wouldn't you fear me? If death is merely feared for the pain associated with it, we shouldn't fear painless death.

I think we fear for others. The pain they might undergo if we were to die. I don't think individuality is as pure as people suggest. We simply have greater investment in ourselves because we've known ourselves longer than we have others. Those who put substantial energy into the interests of others often share their interests as if they are their own. It's difficult to say one doesn't fear death, in some sense.

If we just mean the state of being dead, not the things associated with it, as the OP implies, there is little reason to fear it. However, to suggest that you can separate an action itself from the consequences is a difficult claim to support when it comes to emotions.

Seodanrot
28th June 2009, 09:18
I have hope that people will pull their head's out of their ass tho one day and maybe just maybe our future generations will learn from decedents.

Old Man Diogenes
28th June 2009, 09:19
I fear dying, but I do not fear the state of being dead, because hopefully I won't be a alive to fear it.

Leo
28th June 2009, 11:16
"Death, therefore, the most awful of evils, is nothing to us, seeing that, when we are, death is not come, and, when death is come, we are not." ~Epicurus

RedAnarchist
28th June 2009, 13:24
I don't fear death, but I do fear dying. I suppose I would be more accepting of dying if I were like 80 or 90 and had a long life.

Some of the world's oldest people smoke and drink throughout life, whilst some of the healthiest people die in their twenties or thirties. Death is not a choice.

As for after death, if nothing happens after death (which is almost certain), how are we going to know? We'll be gone and our organs can be donated to people still alive and the rest either donated to science or buried/cremated according to individual wishes (personally, I think I want to be cremated - the idea of being eaten by maggots and worms doesn't appeal to me, even though it won't matter by that point).

Killfacer
28th June 2009, 14:19
I'm shit scared of dying, i mean it would be weird at my age if i wasn't. Dying is where everything ends and thats it. It would be fucking shit.

Pogue
28th June 2009, 14:38
I voted no. Its not something I fear. Obviously I don't want to die, but death in itself isn't scary. Pain is, other people dying is, because that involves you still being conciouss to experience hoe awful it is, to have the full wave of emotions of fear, frustration, loneliness, etc. But if you die an instant death, how does it matter either way? You'll be dead so you wont really be able to object to it.

I fear diseases which would kill me bu tnot death alone. I fear alot things mroe and I would certainly pick death over alot of other things.

mel
28th June 2009, 15:25
I think we fear for others. The pain they might undergo if we were to die.

This. One of the reasons I fear dying is the state in which I'll leave my loved ones after I'm gone. I'm not important to many people, but I'm important to a few, and if I were to die this afternoon a few people I know would have things much harder..

StalinFanboy
28th June 2009, 21:32
I'm an atheist and I believe that death is the end of everything (well... it is for the dead person). I'm always puzzled by people who don't fear - or say they don't fear -death. It terrifies me and I don't see how you can help fearing the state of not-existing. No talking, no friends, no music, no books, no food, no movement, no life. And it's endless. You'll never be alive again. Of course it scares me. I just try to distract myself by doing various practical things - it doesn't scare me when I'm not thinking about it. ;)
This is completely irrational. You will be dead after you die. As in, non-existent. You won't be able to miss any of those things because you won't exist. Stop looking at being dead as though you are going to be able to experience it.

Pogue
28th June 2009, 21:38
This is completely irrational. You will be dead after you die. As in, non-existent. You won't be able to miss any of those things because you won't exist. Stop looking at being dead as though you are going to be able to experience it.

Excactly this.

mel
28th June 2009, 21:39
This is completely irrational. You will be dead after you die. As in, non-existent. You won't be able to miss any of those things because you won't exist. Stop looking at being dead as though you are going to be able to experience it.

That's the point, you can't experience it. Death is scary because it is the end of experience, you will cease to be and sooner or later it will be as if you were never around at all. That is the scary thought for most people, because nobody has ever experienced non-existence, it's the epitome of the "unknown" because it's unable to be experienced in principle.

Killfacer
28th June 2009, 23:11
I don't fear death, i fear dying.

fiddlesticks
29th June 2009, 00:04
I don't and can't know exactly what death entails. It wouldn't make sense to fear it. It's like saying you don't like a food you've never eaten.

Is the uncertainty of what death entails not alone worthy of fear?

Il Medico
29th June 2009, 02:35
Is the uncertainty of what death entails not alone worthy of fear?
I don't think you should ever fear something that you don't understand or know. However, that said, the idea of not existing really unnerves me.

fiddlesticks
29th June 2009, 03:44
I don't think you should ever fear something that you don't understand or know. However, that said, the idea of not existing really unnerves me.

In theory, yeah one shouldn't fear what they don't understand, but death is never going to be understood completely, death is like the one exception. No one will ever know what happens after death and that uncertainty is kind of a scary prospect.

Misanthrope
29th June 2009, 03:48
I fear dying to some extent but I don't fear the state of death.

mel
29th June 2009, 03:49
I don't think you should ever fear something that you don't understand or know.

Fear isn't rational and people pretty much exclusively fear the uncertain and the unknown.

Seodanrot
29th June 2009, 04:44
Even written history doesn't last forever. The human race will die. Maybe not until the end of the universe, but even the universe dies. Humanity will cease to exist one day, and that day, we will all, no matter how great or diminutive we are in life will be forgotten. Along with it will die of all the great and tragic things we have done. That is my main concern (about death), no one remembering my existence. (which of course is ultimately inevitable)

Everything Dies.

Hmm space time capsules would be a way to preserve our existences even if our planet doesn't.

Il Medico
29th June 2009, 18:17
Hmm space time capsules would be a way to preserve our existences even if our planet doesn't.
Comrade,you don't get it, everything will die. The entire universe will die. Either expanding into nothingness or collapsing in on itself, the universe will end like everything else. Space capsules included.

Manifesto
30th June 2009, 06:04
Comrade,you don't get it, everything will die. The entire universe will die. Either expanding into nothingness or collapsing in on itself, the universe will end like everything else. Space capsules included.
I do not fear death, I just do not want to die. And saying that the Universe wil die is not entirely true just most of it.

commiedic
30th June 2009, 08:41
I fear death. I would want to live forever if I could, because I don't believe in an afterlife, so therefore when I die it is over and nothing more. I don't feel that I am done here on earth so therefor I fear death.

Comrade Blaze
30th June 2009, 09:18
All that has a beginning has an end, nothing is forever so I find no point in worrying about the inevitability of death.:p

However I do believe that we will master the power of extending life beyond the normal, be it drugs, genetic engineering, or the transcendence from flesh to machine. Immortality however is impossible not because of lack of knowledge, but for the fact that that the universe we live in is finite, hence the cheesy "nothing is forever" comment.:thumbup:

Plus you add up the chance's of accidental death of say 100 years into infinite, and we will see how long it takes to die of something.:lol:

Comrade Blaze:hammersickle:

9
30th June 2009, 09:53
My post will probably be a broken-record at this point, but for me, it is really the uncertainty of the circumstances surrounding my death that I fear. Getting some sort of horrid cancer and spending ten years in chemotherapy only to die a painful death at the end of it scares the shit out of me. But the idea of simply dying of old age does not frighten me, though the looming inevitability of it does on occasion sadden me. What I fear more than anything in regards to dying is the death of the people I love - my family and closest friends. In many ways (though I know it is selfish), I fear being the last of my friends and immediate family to die. My grandfather is in his eighties and all his siblings and friends have died. He lives across the country from me, but I speak with him on the telephone frequently, and quite often he talks about death... how none of his friends are alive, how he is healthy enough to continue living but too weak to do any of the things he enjoys.. he always says he feels like he's just waiting to die. The idea of being in that position toward the end of my life is absolutely terrifying to me.

NecroCommie
30th June 2009, 10:50
I could not care less if I live or die.

I do however care if I feel pain or not, and I sure would like to see some good change in the world.

Stranger Than Paradise
30th June 2009, 12:32
I voted yes but come to think of it I truly am not afraid of death. What I am more afraid of is getting old. Then again if I had the choice to live forever in my young body I would prefer death in the usual way. I fear getting old but I do not fear death.

Fictional
30th June 2009, 12:40
I don't fear the death itself, all I can do is hope it's for a good cause and not something stupid, like for my country or old age.
I don't want to die an old man, sitting in my chair watching Holyoaks or some other pathetic show.

I do however fear what is after death, if I think to deeply I start to blackout and snap back to reality panting and being scared as hell, the brain stops and the brain is what we use to think, so we don't think, so there's nothing after death, not even nothing, it's impossibly to imagine what is after death and that's what scares me more than anything.

LeninBalls
30th June 2009, 14:36
I'm bloody terrified, hence why I could never be a k00l revolutionary.

What I'm (naturally) even more worried about though, is friends and family dying.

Lynx
30th June 2009, 16:54
I fear death (or dying). I believe this is a manifestation of the instinct for survival. It's not what I would call an 'immediate' fear.

Comrade B
30th June 2009, 18:27
Death is something we instinctively fear. If you are brave you can get past that fear and suppress it.

Psy
30th June 2009, 18:36
The problem I have with death is a kinda grown use to existing, so I don't as much fear it as find it as huge inconvenience to my desire to exist as it limits the duration of my existence.

Il Medico
30th June 2009, 19:15
I do not fear death, I just do not want to die. And saying that the Universe wil die is not entirely true just most of it.
There are two things that will happen.
1. The universe continues to expand and slowly, breaks the bonds of gravity, and over time every Item of matter will fly off into the vast void of space. even black holes will eventually dissolve. Life will die in the universe.
2. Or, the bonds of gravity will snap back like an over stretched rubber band, and the universe will revert back to pre-big bang state. Destroying this universe, and possibly starting the universe a new.
Either way nothing will survive. So essentially the universe dies.
And I never said you feared death.

The Feral Underclass
30th June 2009, 19:43
Death is the reason human beings can never truly be happy.

Bad Grrrl Agro
30th June 2009, 20:01
I don't fear death. I fear dying meaninglessly. There are things I would give my life for. There are many people I would give my life for (which includes some people who have hurt me and continue to hate me) but I don't want to die for nothing.

Pogue
30th June 2009, 20:02
Death is the reason human beings can never truly be happy.

MCR gig get cancelled then?

Hit The North
30th June 2009, 22:05
MCR gig get cancelled then?

:lol:

This thread is rubbish. After three pages it has failed to elicit one interesting philosophical position.

Death sucks. Get over it.

Moved to chit chat.

Killfacer
30th June 2009, 22:15
I FEAR NOTHING FOR I AM FEAR INCARNATE.




first person to get that quote wins.

Hit The North
30th June 2009, 22:47
That's easy. Chaplain Varnus in Dawn of War.

What do I win?

Killfacer
30th June 2009, 22:59
That's easy. Chaplain Varnus in Dawn of War.

What do I win?

I'm stupidly impressed.

You just "win" but there i no prize apart from victory itself.

Invincible Summer
1st July 2009, 05:17
I fear certain ways of dying (painful, slow, agonizing ways), but not death itself.


To fear death is to lose life. [/end attempt at sounding wise]

ZeroNowhere
1st July 2009, 12:45
Well, if we are to be quoting things now:
"Once, as Mung went his way athwart the Earth and up and down its cities and across its plains, Mung came upon a man who was afraid when Mung said: "I am Mung!"
And Mung said: "Were the forty million years before thy coming intolerable to thee?"
And Mung said: "Not less tolerable to thee shall be the forty million years to come!""

Module
1st July 2009, 12:46
Hell yes I'm afraid of death. I want to keep experiencing life for as long as I possibly can.

Jazzratt
1st July 2009, 22:58
I'm afraid of pain. Mainly, anyway. I'm afraid of spiders too. I daresay if my foreseeable future were to be filled with one or both of those I would welcome death.

Comrade Blaze
2nd July 2009, 00:51
I'm afraid of pain. Mainly, anyway. I'm afraid of spiders too. I daresay if my foreseeable future were to be filled with one or both of those I would welcome death.

I total understand :(
Spiders:scared::scared:

Comrade Blaze

-marx-
2nd July 2009, 01:53
I don't fear the actual dying, I fear non-existence, but if materialism is true then that fear is pointless too because one wouldn't be conscious to fear anything in the state of death, but it is not a pointless fear while one is actually alive. I am alive now and that's the way I'd like to stay forever, but that's impossible.

The idea of physical death doesn't bother me, its the idea of the death of my consciousness that bothers me. If I were to physically die yet still exist in another form, then no, death doesn't bother me in the least.
I am a materialist but I hope I'm wrong about that, I would like to exist is some form or another for ever because self preservation is the most powerful instinct I have and don't want to just stop existing.

I think its highly unlikely that our consciousness continues to exist after physical death so yes, not existing bothers me.(While I'm alive anyways)

ÑóẊîöʼn
2nd July 2009, 02:09
I'm afraid of pain. Mainly, anyway. I'm afraid of spiders too. I daresay if my foreseeable future were to be filled with one or both of those I would welcome death.

Perhaps now would be a bad time to mention that the spider/stinging nettle hybrids I was developing in my lab have escaped? :crying:

Sentinel
2nd July 2009, 02:12
I see it as an unseparable part of my transhumanist philosophy to not accept death. If the opportunity to avoid death -- ie, the destruction of my consciousness and memories -- opened up during my lifetime, I would take it.

This all has its roots in my rock hard atheism -- I am convinced that when we die it's over, and there is nothing more, ever. That's why it's important to 'keep the party going' and strive to live as long as it's possible to keep it enjoyable.

With technology advancing as fast as it is, we should strive to unlearn one of the most basic and unbendable rules on earth so far: that all life has to end, that aging and dying are 'natural', 'a part of life', etc. (All this said, I don't think immortality will be reality during the lives of anyone living today.)

Kind of wandered of there. :mellow: To get to the point; I voted yes -- I fear death, because it's the end of life.

-marx-
2nd July 2009, 02:19
You raise a valid (IMO) question, do we die (at least so young) because we think that's how it is supposed to be? Do we all (the majority) succumb to death under 100 years old because we think that that's how it works? What I am saying is, does ones state of mind contribute to ones longevity? Does it play a minor or major role in how long we live?

SHEHATEME
2nd July 2009, 02:56
My immediate anwser was yes I fear death. I fear the things it would leave me without, and because death is the ultimate unknown there is know way of knowing what I would get would fill that gap.

My real fears about death are, how will I die

RebelDog
2nd July 2009, 03:06
I think the ones who vote they do not fear death are young, maybe? I'm pushing on and I am scared shitless of death.

Sentinel
2nd July 2009, 03:18
I think the ones who vote they do not fear death are young, maybe? I'm pushing on and I am scared shitless of death.It gets scarier year by year after the teen years when one feels invincible. A natural result of the body gradually but progressively starting to malfunction.

That's why elderly people, who have been as secular and agnostic as anyone all their lives, unfortunately often 'find god' during those last years -- the fear of death finally overcomes them. :(

I hope that never happens to me.

-marx-
2nd July 2009, 03:19
I think its true, in my case anyways, the older you get the more death occupies your thoughts and the scarier it can become.

As a teenager I rarely thought of death but Now I'm in my 30's its a regular topic of thought and it seems like it will only become more regular the older I get.

RebelDog
2nd July 2009, 03:23
Where I once looked forward to birthdays I now dread them. Entropy is slowly ravaging me and the environment means to have me back.

ÑóẊîöʼn
2nd July 2009, 03:32
You raise a valid (IMO) question, do we die (at least so young) because we think that's how it is supposed to be? Do we all (the majority) succumb to death under 100 years old because we think that that's how it works? What I am saying is, does ones state of mind contribute to ones longevity? Does it play a minor or major role in how long we live?

Mental attitudes may be a contributing factor to longevity (or lack thereof) but I think things like accidents, illness and general health are much more important.

-marx-
2nd July 2009, 03:50
Well assuming one doesn't have any fatal accidents and gets no fatal illnesses. If one actually believed entirely that they could live to 140, could one succeed in living to 140?

I know mental attitudes play a major role in heroin addicts successfully staying clean or not because I'm a recovering heroin addict myself. When I had the attitude that I couldn't succeed (partly because I didn't want to be clean), I didn't but now I have the attitude that I can succeed (because I'm sick of the money problems to buy illegal heroin), I am succeeding. So long as I maintain my mental attitude I will continue to succeed but I also know that relapse is always just a thought away if I choose to relapse.

If heroin was legal and cheap I wouldn't bother staying off of it, its a too beautiful thing to stay away from IMO. But considering the circumstances and stupid illegality of it its been more trouble than its worth in my 14 years of using it.

I've gone off topic, but this is just one example of the mind contributing to benefiting the physical. Just via thought my mind actually benefited (and helped repair damaged receptors in my brain) my body. It makes me think, can it be taken even further?!?!?!?!

ÑóẊîöʼn
2nd July 2009, 04:07
Well assuming one doesn't have any fatal accidents and gets no fatal illnesses. If one actually believed entirely that they could live to 140, could one succeed in living to 140?

I think it's more a case of a positive mental attitude encouraging one, perhaps on a subconscious level, to better look out for their general health, thus increasing lifespan. If one is pessimistic to a certain extent then one could be more vulnerable to stress and depression which can have negative health effects.


I know mental attitudes play a major role in heroin addicts successfully staying clean or not because I'm a recovering heroin addict myself. When I had the attitude that I couldn't succeed (partly because I didn't want to be clean), I didn't but now I have the attitude that I can succeed (because I'm sick of the money problems to buy illegal heroin), I am succeeding. So long as I maintain my mental attitude I will continue to succeed but I also know that relapse is always just a thought away if I choose to relapse.

If heroin was legal and cheap I wouldn't bother staying off of it, its a too beautiful thing to stay away from IMO. But considering the circumstances and stupid illegality of it its been more trouble than its worth in my 14 years of using it.I'm not sure how relevant addiction is, at least in the case of heroin - I've heard of addicts living to a ripe old age when given the opportunity, for example, in countries/areas with progressive drugs policies. A lifelong addiction to cigarettes certainly shortens the lifespan, so in that respect positive mental attitudes towards quitting have a positive effect.


I've gone off topic, but this is just one example of the mind contributing to benefiting the physical. Just via thought my mind actually benefited (and helped repair damaged receptors in my brain) my body. It makes me think, can it be taken even further?!?!?!?!Even if positive mental attitudes can aid in increasing lifespan, there's going to be an upper limit on just how far they will take one - as the body's ability to repair itself degrades, damage will accumulate and eventually contribute to death.

-marx-
2nd July 2009, 04:19
Yes, it will be limited but I'd be interested to see some kind of long term study on this topic, to see how much, if any, mental attitudes can increase longevity.

Too bad I'd be dead when the final conclusions came in!:D

Black Dagger
2nd July 2009, 06:16
I'm not afraid of death because death is nothing, there is no sense of regret or disappointment if you die - because you're dead, your not thinking or feeling anything. What i am afraid of is the death of the people i love.

Anarkiwi
2nd July 2009, 06:24
We cannot be sure of having something to live for unless we are willing to die for it.- Ernesto Che Guevara

Black Dagger
2nd July 2009, 06:28
^--- that text makes my eyes bleed :thumbup1:

TheFutureOfThePublic
8th July 2009, 20:47
Im more intrested in it rather than fearful of it.Its like the big climax to your life.I dont really believe in going to heaven or hell but i hope that life is recycled and "i" would come back as someone else.I think people fearful of it are usually the rich idiots in life that dont want ther luxuries to come to an end.I love being alive but as Black Dagger (above me) said,its nothing.Its not your problem because ther is nothing that could be a problem.Your body shuts down and then thats it.If you fear death then youl be living your life in fear,why bother.And anyway,its more your families problem coz theyr the ones payin for the funeral haha.