illegal homeless need help

[sascha]

Hi,
I am homeless plus illegal in Denmark and I need possibility to survive in capitalism. I can make websites and I succeeded to sell one website in march for 200 dollars. But I have problem to accept/receive money because I don't have any document so I can't open bank account. Buyer didn't want to send money with letter and Western Union take big provision plus they can ask for ID. I asked some organizations in copenhagen to receive money for me, but they didn't want. so as you see, there is lack of solidarity even they didn't have any cost, it was just to get money for me.
so, I need someone who can open bank account and take Visa or MasterCard and send me Visa/MasterCard, in that way I could take money from ATM (bank machines). ATM don't ask me for ID or address, it ask me only for PIN code. so, that's good for me.
of course, when person take Visa card, he/she should say in bank that he/she don't want any credit/loan than simple account where person can get money when he sell websites and possibility to take that money from ATM with Visa or MasterCard. in that way, there is no trick, person who open bank account don't put his/her money in that account and I can take only my money (when I sell website). beside it, I don't have ID (and other personal information) of person who open bank account, so there is no chance that I go in bank and ask for loan.
so, is there anyone who has will to help?
of course, I should mention that I never had Visa Card and I never received some money through bank transfer, so I would need information which I should give to potential buyer of website in order to get money at account of my Visa card.

if I get Visa from someone, I think that I can also buy with it something on internet, I can pay food in stores/shops, and if I get some number I can check balance with help of internet (e-banking).

bye
sascha

[bellyscratch]

How have you got access to the Internet?

[sascha]

In this moment I use computers of university in copenhagen, I sleep last 10 days at university (here are cameras and security man come during the night but I hide myself, until now successful). administrator of forum can say to you my IP address, I am not against it.
but beside it, in copenhagen, all public/city libraries have several PCs where people can use internet without username and password. maybe it is not so in your country, but here it is so.

[Plagueround]

In case anyone is wondering, his IP confirms he is on a campus in Denmark. As for your request Sascha, I would recommend looking into a means of receiving donations from people without them committing to getting you a credit card. I'll do some research and see what options you have. Until then, don't underestimate the power of hitting people up on the street for change. I've done it before when I was down and out. Good luck to you. ;)

[sascha]

Hi thanx for answer. well, I didn't understand English words here very good.
I didn't mean that people send me their visa card that I take money/donation from their bank account.
I mean to get Visa card where I could get money if I succeed to sell some website. it means person who send me visa card should not has his money in that account, so I don't take his money when I go to ATM (bank machines).

for money for now, I don't need to ask people on the street, I gather bottles at university buildings, so food is not problem. last days I missed 22 boxes with empty bottles of beer, after students made party for the end of the year/semester, but monday morning came truck and took all boxes. so I lost 800 DKK (about 100 euro) because I didn't take it last sunday.

[Sarah Palin]

What kind of world do we live in where it is illegal to be homeless?

[sascha]

in the world of capitalism :confused:
illegal people don't have any rights (no right to be officially exploited, even to be exploited in black it is not easy to find) and it brings us to homeless life. plus foreigners are spied much more than domestic people. so, there are crowd of pigs who got right to stay in EU just because they spy foreigners who speak language of spy. :cursing:
yesterday I just wanted to know how much cost fake passport and idiot whom I asked said very laud: you don't have passport? so everybody heard and there were minimum 2-3 foreigners who are spies and one of them speak my language. yesterday I was very angry... but never mind, they got already before information, I think.
hm, just to say that one anarchist from my country offered me help about bank account and Visa card, so we will check these days, is it possible to finish what I need.

[Thunder]

What kind of world do we live in where it is illegal to be homeless?
...I think Sasha ment that he was an illegal immigrant, who is homeless.

[Manifesto]

I remember a few years ago when I was twelve that I was told by the police to not jump over the wall by 7eleven into the woods (my city is covered with forests). They said that there were homeless people that they arrested just for being homeless a few minutes ago and there are many more back there that would kill me and my friend. Anyone else think that they were being prejudice?

[Dimentio]

I remember a few years ago when I was twelve that I was told by the police to not jump over the wall by 7eleven into the woods (my city is covered with forests). They said that there were homeless people that they arrested just for being homeless a few minutes ago and there are many more back there that would kill me and my friend. Anyone else think that they were being prejudice?

I think they just lied to get rid of you from there.

[Misanthrope]

What kind of world do we live in where it is illegal to be homeless?

:lol:lmao.

How about selling drugs.. to be honest.

[sascha]

I remember a few years ago when I was twelve ....... Anyone else think that they were being prejudice?

cops are dogs who realize the law of ruling class. they are paid for it, and therefore they are not homeless. so, it is their personal interest to do anything for money which they get.


How about selling drugs.. to be honest.I don't understand for whom is question.
I am not against drugs, people are not stupid and they don't need tutor, if they want to use, they will use. drugs should be given to junkies, for free at doctor.
in the meantime, people can sell drugs, but I don't see how homeless can do it? homeless is without money to buy and sell it, and to whom to sell when you are surrounded with homeless? I am not friend with Rollingstones to be able to make money from selling of cocain or whatever they use. there are homeless junkies but they are poor and you would need to wait them for money, or to sell them just one small portion, etc. beside it, Danish homeless hate foreigners, so they would report to police if I sell it, of course, they sell between themselves. here you can sell drugs to Danish only if you are Danish. in other case, prison is waiting. Denmark is small, xenophobic society: always afraid for their culture, language, identity, etc.

[sascha]

my question for help is still open.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Any sqauts near you?

[Lynx]

Find someone you can trust who has a PayPal account. They could receive payment for your work to their account and then pass along the money to you in cash.

If you are able to make a living designing or selling websites and all you need is internet access, consider the availability of internet access in your home country.

[sascha]

thanx for answers.
well, I am in copenhagen and there are no squats (ungdomshuset is destroyed), but I don't understand what squats have with solution for my problem? I can sleep under tent, and before several nights I slept at the beech. I need Visa Card, I don't need squat to sleep there.
I sold one website for 200 dollars in March this year, I asked leftist library for help and one media, but they didn't want to help. I asked to accept money, I didn't ask to spend any money because of me. In the end, I found girl from my country who is now living in manchester and she accepted money with paypal and she sent me money with letter to copenhagen. so I had to wait one month and buyer of website became nervous and he didn't want to send money in letter.
so as you see, it is not easy to find someone who will help, even if it is accepting/receiving of money. but buyer was private person, what to say about some company. company don't want to pay anything if they can't transfer money to my account. many companies don't use paypal, especially not those who need me to make website for them. I am not professional, I make websites for "internet beginners" or for companies who don't have time to do it alone so they must pay to someone to do it.

In any case, I need someone who can open bank account in some bank, and to get there some Visa or MasterCard which are not connected with any taking of credit (I think I need Debit Visa card or Charge Visa card, it is not for credit) and to send me to use it for myself.
One girl from Croatia want to help, but I checked on internet and there people must pay 70 euro membership per year in order to get Visa Gold (Visa Classic is for credit), I think I found for free only Visa Electron. So I think she will go tomorrow to bank to ask about it. Problem is that she is without job and there banks demand from people to have job in order to get such cards like Visa. I thin k conditions are not the same in every country, I remember before 10 years in my country, they demanded 5000 euro in bank account in order to get Visa card. So, only businessmen could have it, not ordinary people. In West Europe, anyone can get it because of good economic standard.
therefore I asked in this forum for help because many people from west read it.

[ellipsis]

I would try to find an immigrant right center or homeless center because they would know what to do. In the U.S. some banks let illegal immigrants open accounts, maybe there is something in Denmark that is similar.

[Invincible Summer]

If this guy is legit, could fellow comrades who speak his language talk to him, since English seems to be difficult for him? It might make things clearer for everyone

[9]

^The OP hasn't been online in over half a year.

[Invincible Summer]

Damn you redson!!

[Crux]

Heh, and here I was considering to offer help since I live just across the water. Oh well. Best of luck to him nonetheless, but I think the question in this thread is finished.

[El Rojo]

@ sascha (http://www.revleft.com/vb/../member.php?u=24867),

try asking people in Copenhagen who would sypathise with your position and try to help you. leftist organisations, or possibly an immigrant solidarity campaign? I say this because it would be easier to sort out a credit / debit card face to face rather than online.

[Crux]

Old thread is old.

[Dr Mindbender]

I would try to find an immigrant right center or homeless center because they would know what to do. In the U.S. some banks let illegal immigrants open accounts, maybe there is something in Denmark that is similar.


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[sascha]

thanx for advice El Rojo, but it is too late. I gave up from Visa card, making of websites, help from the people. unfortunately secret agency is trying to keep me poor, I am not politically good. we will see how long they will succeed. these days they try to turn bikers against me, possibly they told them some crazy story that I contacted immigrant criminals even I never did it (they are in war here). but already one month I am followed from the side of people with motorcycles. racist secret agency is trying to make problems for immigrants.

[Dr Mindbender]

thanx for advice El Rojo, but it is too late. I gave up from Visa card, making of websites, help from the people. unfortunately secret agency is trying to keep me poor, I am not politically good. we will see how long they will succeed. these days they try to turn bikers against me, possibly they told them some crazy story that I contacted immigrant criminals even I never did it (they are in war here). but already one month I am followed from the side of people with motorcycles. racist secret agency is trying to make problems for immigrants.

you dont actually need a bank account to get a credit card. If you go to western union or money shop you might be able to get a pre-paid credit card for which you can recieve funds and make electronic payments. I have one, they dont do any credit checks.

[Bitter Ashes]

I've got no problems with the threads in Mutal Aid and DIY bieng necro'd because at the end of the day it's a resource section, not a debate forum. No locks going in :)

[ellipsis]

What she said. There are plenty of oldies but goodies in this forum that deserved to be raised from the dead.

[Invincible Summer]

thanx for advice El Rojo, but it is too late. I gave up from Visa card, making of websites, help from the people. unfortunately secret agency is trying to keep me poor, I am not politically good. we will see how long they will succeed. these days they try to turn bikers against me, possibly they told them some crazy story that I contacted immigrant criminals even I never did it (they are in war here). but already one month I am followed from the side of people with motorcycles. racist secret agency is trying to make problems for immigrants.


:blink::confused::blink:

Not to trivialize what you're going through, but that sounds pretty epic...

[sascha]

:blink::confused::blink:

Not to trivialize what you're going through, but that sounds pretty epic...

it is long story, maybe epic maybe not... I wanted to publich in any case that secret agency is dirty, because there are activists in DK who believe that their secret agency don't disturb private life of those whom they follow.


you dont actually need a bank account to get a credit card. If you go to western union or money shop you might be able to get a pre-paid credit card for which you can recieve funds and make electronic payments. I have one, they dont do any credit checks.

I read before several months on internet that in UK and Germany is possible to buy pre paid debit card in order to pay something on internet, but I don't think people can receive money in such debit card. I think in any case, something like that doesn't exist in denmark.

[Robocommie]

Sascha, I don't wish to pry into your affairs, but what's your nation of origin?

[Dr Mindbender]

Sascha, I don't wish to pry into your affairs, but what's your nation of origin?

Why is that pertinent?

[sascha]

I am from east europe, out of EU, people in my country are working for 100 euro per month even officially average salary is 300-400 euro, but statistic just hide reality. but even east europeans, who are part of EU, become homeless massively in the west. they are equal only on the paper, in reality they have chance to get job only if they have connection (someone who will find them job). East Europeans are in EU in the same position as Afro-Americans and Mexicans in USA.

[Robocommie]

Why is that pertinent?

Because depending on where he's from, different options may be available to him to get help.

[Dr Mindbender]

Because depending on where he's from, different options may be available to him to get help.

Fair enough, but considering he's already said he's illegal i don't see how his place of origin is going to help.

[Dr Mindbender]

I read before several months on internet that in UK and Germany is possible to buy pre paid debit card in order to pay something on internet, but I don't think people can receive money in such debit card. I think in any case, something like that doesn't exist in denmark.
I know for a fact you can recieve wages on these cards, and they should be available in every country.

Even if they arent you should be able to apply online.

[sascha]

I know for a fact you can recieve wages on these cards, and they should be available in every country.
Even if they arent you should be able to apply online.

so, you say there must be in Denmark a card which I can get as illegal homeless and in which I can get "salary"/money? if you gather info for such thing, you can explain me how to do it.

[Crux]

so, you say there must be in Denmark a card which I can get as illegal homeless and in which I can get "salary"/money? if you gather info for such thing, you can explain me how to do it.
If you need additional help I could probably put you in contact with Kirkeasyl or you can contact them yourself. I also have some contacts on the other side of the water given I live in Malmö.

[Dr Mindbender]

so, you say there must be in Denmark a card which I can get as illegal homeless and in which I can get "salary"/money? if you gather info for such thing, you can explain me how to do it.

I dont know what to suggest about your homelessness sorry, i was merely suggesting how you can get a facility to recieve money short of applying for a bank account which frankly would be far less practical given your circumstances.

All i know is if you can get an address from which to recieve mail you can get one of these cards. Or perhaps a scandanavian comrade here to whom you can reach would be willing to let you have a C/O address. Have you tried searching for a hostel that would be willing to take you in? There should be charities or organisations sympathetic to someone in your predicament. You could also try to see if there is a local community from your home country that would be willing to help you. Best of luck.

[sascha]

If you need additional help I could probably put you in contact with Kirkeasyl or you can contact them yourself. I also have some contacts on the other side of the water given I live in Malmö.

thank you but I got already before help about doctor from some NGO which is conencted with No One Is Illegal, but later when I contacted they didn't help again. beside it, No One Is Illegal is relaying/depending on churches and NGOs and I have problem with secret agency so I don't believe so much in churches and NGOs who work with immigrants. Such organizatiosn are full of collaborators with secret agency, even this woman who helped me long time ago with doctor, she told me that their secret agency don't disturb people when they follow them. it was enough for me to understand who help to immigrants, the same those who help to secret agency to spy us on the basis that we are not white christian from west europe. if they don't spy white killers from west europe, why they spy asian, africans and east europeans? they can speak about terrorism, but surely NGOs and churches are part of racism when they help to their "holy" white christian secret agency. shortly, I don't want to have anything with churches and NGOs. Only when I am seriously sick, I must ask them to get doctor. more than it, I don't want to have with them.
thank you in any case for good wish to help, but you are not persecuted so you are not damaged from the side of collaborators of secret agency (churches and NGOs) therefore, maybe, you can not believe in my standpoint but it is so.

@drmindbender, I have address of homeless organization where we can get letters but they don't want to make address for homeless in the sense of address for ID. and in my case I am illegal, so they could not make address for me for ID or for bank account. thank you for wish to help in any case.

[Crux]

thank you but I got already before help about doctor from some NGO which is conencted with No One Is Illegal, but later when I contacted they didn't help again. beside it, No One Is Illegal is relaying/depending on churches and NGOs and I have problem with secret agency so I don't believe so much in churches and NGOs who work with immigrants. Such organizatiosn are full of collaborators with secret agency, even this woman who helped me long time ago with doctor, she told me that their secret agency don't disturb people when they follow them. it was enough for me to understand who help to immigrants, the same those who help to secret agency to spy us on the basis that we are not white christian from west europe. if they don't spy white killers from west europe, why they spy asian, africans and east europeans? they can speak about terrorism, but surely NGOs and churches are part of racism when they help to their "holy" white christian secret agency. shortly, I don't want to have anything with churches and NGOs. Only when I am seriously sick, I must ask them to get doctor. more than it, I don't want to have with them.
thank you in any case for good wish to help, but you are not persecuted so you are not damaged from the side of collaborators of secret agency (churches and NGOs) therefore, maybe, you can not believe in my standpoint but it is so.

@drmindbender, I have address of homeless organization where we can get letters but they don't want to make address for homeless in the sense of address for ID. and in my case I am illegal, so they could not make address for me for ID or for bank account. thank you for wish to help in any case.
I know some secret services are very good at following people who leave the country so I understand your predicament.