Combat 18 attack Republican graves in Belfast.

[PeaderO'Donnell]

Fascists blamed for graves attack

Friday, June 19 12:35 am
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Northern Ireland (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fc/northern-ireland.html) supporters of a far-right fascist group have been blamed for vandalising a republican cemetery plot which includes the grave of IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands.
Sinn Fein condemned vandals who daubed Combat 18 slogans over the republican plot at Milltown cemetery in Belfast.
Republicans linked the incident to racist attacks being carried out in the south and east of the city where Romanian families were forced from their homes.
Loyalists have forged links with far right groups in Britain including Combat 18.
And while loyalists were blamed for the attacks on Romanian homes in Belfast, police denied the attacks were paramilitary linked.
Sinn Fein Assembly member for West Belfast Paul Maskey said: "Overnight racist and sectarian slogans, along with Combat 18 graffiti was daubed on the republican plot in Milltown cemetery.
"A considerable amount of damage has been done to the graves. This attack comes in the aftermath of a series of racist attacks on Romanian families in the city.
"The English fascist group Combat 18 has well established links with unionist paramilitaries in Belfast for many years. The racist attacks on the Romanian families all emanated from within unionist areas. Unionist political leaders must do more."
The graves targeted in the attack included that of IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, who died in the 1981 protest at the top security Maze prison that saw ten republicans starve themselves to death in demand for political prisoner status.
He added: "This has been a long standing problem and one which clearly has not yet been properly addressed either by political representatives of that community or indeed by the PSNI. Otherwise these attacks would have stopped years ago."

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Sick bastards with no respect for human life. Death to the fascists!

[JammyDodger]

That death may come quickly if in roads to identity are made, sure the troubles are by and large area, but its still one doorstep you should not piss on.

If c18 want a fight the Republicans will meet them more than half way on it.

I dont know what mother raised these C18 members but they did a crap job, not only ignorant but with a deathwish, thats a classy combination.

C18 the club for mindless pindicks.

[ls]

They really do seem to have a deathwish, well it's about to come true.

[nuisance]

Word is that C18 deny this is anything to do with them.

Weeler, From Libcom- '"Combat 18 slogans", even C18 themselves are perplexed by this, they don't have slogans except "28" and "Blood and Honour". Is combat 18 the sexed up journalism word for "racist" now?'

http://libcom.org/forums/organise/belfast-protest-against-racist-attack-15th-june-15062009?page=1

[ls]

If some boneheads from it actually did it, they would be fucking wise to deny they did it. Alternatively if they didn't.. well they would still be wise to.

I just hope that whoever did it gets a good beating.

[Hit The North]

Ultimately, this is related to the recent BNP successes in the Euro elections. Every time the fascists gain a bit of confidence due a mainstream success, something soft like an election victory, it translates into hard violence and terror.

[JammyDodger]

Word is that C18 deny this is anything to do with them.

Weeler, From Libcom- '"Combat 18 slogans", even C18 themselves are perplexed by this, they don't have slogans except "28" and "Blood and Honour". Is combat 18 the sexed up journalism word for "racist" now?'

http://libcom.org/forums/organise/belfast-protest-against-racist-attack-15th-june-15062009?page=1


Could have been some C18 wannabes i suppose, either way ive heard the hardcore Republicans have a habbit of crucifying people to the floor, and for the first time in my life I hope its a practice that finds this new set of victims.
And if they get the real C18 by mistake ahh shucks:crying:

(and im such a nice man normally)

[nuisance]

If some boneheads from it actually did it, they would be fucking wise to deny they did it. Alternatively if they didn't.. well they would still be wise to.

I just hope that whoever did it gets a good beating.
I highly doubt C18, if it was them, would deny the accusations of terrorising immigrant communities, you just have to look at what type of organisation they are and what they aim to achieve. Now tell me how they wouldn't boast if such actions were committed by themselves?

[ls]

True, you're probably right.

It would be a good double-bluff though if they did do it - but not typically in their style, regardless it matters not so much what we think, but what hardcore republicans who feel quite strongly about those graves that were vandalised. Wouldn't be surprised if we see something very nasty happen to the perpetrators, whoever they are.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Ultimately, this is related to the recent BNP successes in the Euro elections. Every time the fascists gain a bit of confidence due a mainstream success, something soft like an election victory, it translates into hard violence and terror.

This is the first I've heard in the media about C18 for a while, I thought they were limited to posturing on social networking sites with grammatically weak slogans and balaclava display pictures. As for them denying involvement, I wasn't under the impression that they operate centrally; I thought it was all affinity groups and cells - so the denial seems slightly superficial. Feel free to correct me anyone else.

On a slightly related note, there's a good video of a former C18 member discussing the BNP here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBsg7RPxMGA).

[PRC-UTE]

It was done by Loyalists most likely- they have an obsession with Bobby Sands and republican graves. Also, when they had the pogrom in south belfast and put 115 Romanians out of their homes just the other day, they were chanting "Combat18", according to witnesses. It seems to be their current battle-cry? British fascists are very popular amongst loyalists.

[reddevil]

terrible as the attack was, i very much doubt "combat 18" had anything to do with it. such an organisation did once exist but it was heavily infiltrated by the state, so much so that it was discovered their number two, Darren Wells, was an informer for searchlight and the security services. the fuhrer wilf browning then went on to convert to Islam! They still exist but they haven't been seen in public since 2001. i think plenty of people call themselves "combat 18" to demonstrate their ideological link with the group rather than any official link. much like several suicide bombers are described as being part of "al qaeda" despite having no connection with osama bin laden and his minions.

[Hoggy_RS]

Whoever is behind it, be it loyalists or C18, they are fucking scumbags.

[Jorge Miguel]

The graves were cleaned up yesterday. Good stuff.

[reddevil]

i think our efforts would be better spent tackling the BNP, a real threat, rather than these pathetic nobodies

[Jimmie Higgins]

Have republicans been trying to build solidarity with the immigrant communities that were attacked - I assume socialists and anarchists and antifas groups have been.

[Dr Mindbender]

Have republicans been trying to build solidarity with the immigrant communities that were attacked - I assume socialists and anarchists and antifas groups have been.

well apparently sinn fein have been rather silent during recent events. :(

[Pogue]

what do you expect though, it is sinn fein after all.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Yeah, it's too bad but not entirely unexpected.

[redflag32]

Have republicans been trying to build solidarity with the immigrant communities that were attacked - I assume socialists and anarchists and antifas groups have been.

Its thanks to Republicans and not "socialists" "Anarchists" and "anti-fas" that there is no white supremacist problem in Ireland today.

[PRC-UTE]

well apparently sinn fein have been rather silent during recent events. :(

SF went and met with the families put out of their homes.

[Pogue]

Its thanks to Republicans and not "socialists" "Anarchists" and "anti-fas" that there is no white supremacist problem in Ireland today.

Yeh, these recent attacks really show a lack of a white supremacist problem in Ireland today ;)

[PRC-UTE]

Have republicans been trying to build solidarity with the immigrant communities that were attacked - I assume socialists and anarchists and antifas groups have been.

The IRSP has been for years, even releasing statements on the subject, urging support and solidarity with immigrant workers. IRSP members always point out that the enemy of Irish workers are the bosses and their fascist thugs, not immigrants.

I know other republicans actively supportive of immigrants in some recent cases- like the pregnant immigrant workers sacked from subway.

[PRC-UTE]

Yeh, these recent attacks really show a lack of a white supremacist problem in Ireland today ;)

It's not coming from the nationalist/republican communities. In the north it's primarily a unionist/loyalist problem. Not too much of a surprise, the unionists were always admirers of Pinochet and British Nazis (how Nazism squares with their formal politics of being British, and pro-Israel, idk).

To put it in perspective, in the 26c, there's probably more fascists within the eastern European immigrants than there are in the rest of Irish society. (A few communists in there, too.)

[redflag32]

Yeh, these recent attacks really show a lack of a white supremacist problem in Ireland today ;)

There is no pro-white party in Ireland,never has been. These attacks dont show a white supremacist problem in Ireland, they show a Loyalist/unionism problem. This is the same ideology that most on the left in Ireland appease and want to strike a "democratic" deal with.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Its thanks to Republicans and not "socialists" "Anarchists" and "anti-fas" that there is no white supremacist problem in Ireland today.

And if there were no socialists then the Republican movement never would have existed as it did, but that's besides the point. Was I talking about anti-fas socialists and anarchists in the liberation struggle? No I was asking a direct question about Republican involvement in building solidarity in the wake of these immigrant attacks (attacks which suggest that maybe you shouldn't count your defeated-loyalist/nativist-chickens before they hatch).

[redflag32]

And if there were no socialists then the Republican movement never would have existed as it did, but that's besides the point. Was I talking about anti-fas socialists and anarchists in the liberation struggle? No I was asking a direct question about Republican involvement in building solidarity in the wake of these immigrant attacks (attacks which suggest that maybe you shouldn't count your defeated-loyalist/nativist-chickens before they hatch).

Why did you assume anarchists socialists and anti-fas were in solidarity but not republicans? As ive said it was republicans who actually stopped any pro-white party ever setting foot in Ireland. Republicanisms inherent anti-fascism should have made it very easy for you to assume that they would be on the front line of solidarity.

Have i taken this to heart?:blushing:

[Jimmie Higgins]

The IRSP has been for years, even releasing statements on the subject, urging support and solidarity with immigrant workers. IRSP members always point out that the enemy of Irish workers are the bosses and their fascist thugs, not immigrants.

I know other republicans actively supportive of immigrants in some recent cases- like the pregnant immigrant workers sacked from subway.

Aside from just building solidarity on principle, it seems like it would be an opportunity to expose the nationalism and bigotry of the loyalists that leads to this kind of fascism (both the skinhead attack on the graves as well as the attacks on the immigrants).

[redflag32]

Aside from just building solidarity on principle, it seems like it would be an opportunity to expose the nationalism and bigotry of the loyalists that leads to this kind of fascism (both the skinhead attack on the graves as well as the attacks on the immigrants).

Yes i agree, i was thinking the same myself. Sorry if i was a bit full on there:)

[Jimmie Higgins]

Why did you assume anarchists socialists and anti-fas were in solidarity but not republicans? As ive said it was republicans who actually stopped any pro-white party ever setting foot in Ireland. Republicanisms inherent anti-fascism should have made it very easy for you to assume that they would be on the front line of solidarity.

Have i taken this to heart?:blushing:

Sorry, I just assumed on principle these other groups would since I am more familiar with their politics and how they operate. I sincerely wanted to know what the larger groups were doing since I know little about their politics or current organization aside from a few things I've read that were probably written in the 70s.

[PRC-UTE]

Aside from just building solidarity on principle, it seems like it would be an opportunity to expose the nationalism and bigotry of the loyalists that leads to this kind of fascism (both the skinhead attack on the graves as well as the attacks on the immigrants).

The Loyalists have done a good job of exposing it. And deeper than that it's an issue of the mentality the GFA/"peace process" encourages. As soon as they've done something like this, "community representatives" ask for more funding to appease the fascist elements... but always in the context of what the unionist (or nationalist) people need. The sectarian headcount politics of Stormont is set up to reward sectarianism, and leads to the cul de sac of community resource allocation politics.

There will be more violent acts like this pogrom, and the sectarian murder in Coleraine.

[Ravachol]

It was done by Loyalists most likely- they have an obsession with Bobby Sands and republican graves. Also, when they had the pogrom in south belfast and put 115 Romanians out of their homes just the other day, they were chanting "Combat18", according to witnesses. It seems to be their current battle-cry? British fascists are very popular amongst loyalists.

Not only that, there have been rather solid ties between loyalists and combat18. For example, the sheltering of Johnny Aldair, weapons supplies, etc. Similarly, I know for a fact that some combat18 'members' (despite not being the same organisation as the original combat18) from Germany and the Netherlands have ties with loyalists.

Anyhow, sure hope these clowns get what they deserve.
Fucking lowlife scum.

[Bitter Ashes]

I may be the only one to think this but...

Isnt this a lot of fuss over a few chunks of stones?

Even if it was Karl Marx's gravestone, or whatever, why get our knickers in a twist about it? It's intented to provoke a reaction and you supplied it, all in defence of a few lumps of limestone, or granite, or whatever they're made of. They cant change the actions or opinons of somebody from the past with graffiti, but they can annoy people. Dont give them the satisfaction of them achieving thier goal.

Besides, if you're not superticous, then you believe that the whole ceremony of the dead is a bit stupid anyway.

If you are supersticious, then you probably believe that these kids are going to get thier rooms haunted.

Either way, they lose.

[progressive_lefty]

Fascists blamed for graves attack

Friday, June 19 12:35 am
http://l.yimg.com/i/i/uk/ne/press.jpg?x=85&y=25&q=75&sig=Nxe12t7hWvt2_IJHcYyuMw--
Northern Ireland (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/fc/northern-ireland.html) supporters of a far-right fascist group have been blamed for vandalising a republican cemetery plot which includes the grave of IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands.
Sinn Fein condemned vandals who daubed Combat 18 slogans over the republican plot at Milltown cemetery in Belfast.
Republicans linked the incident to racist attacks being carried out in the south and east of the city where Romanian families were forced from their homes.
Loyalists have forged links with far right groups in Britain including Combat 18.
And while loyalists were blamed for the attacks on Romanian homes in Belfast, police denied the attacks were paramilitary linked.
Sinn Fein Assembly member for West Belfast Paul Maskey said: "Overnight racist and sectarian slogans, along with Combat 18 graffiti was daubed on the republican plot in Milltown cemetery.
"A considerable amount of damage has been done to the graves. This attack comes in the aftermath of a series of racist attacks on Romanian families in the city.
"The English fascist group Combat 18 has well established links with unionist paramilitaries in Belfast for many years. The racist attacks on the Romanian families all emanated from within unionist areas. Unionist political leaders must do more."
The graves targeted in the attack included that of IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, who died in the 1981 protest at the top security Maze prison that saw ten republicans starve themselves to death in demand for political prisoner status.
He added: "This has been a long standing problem and one which clearly has not yet been properly addressed either by political representatives of that community or indeed by the PSNI. Otherwise these attacks would have stopped years ago."

Shame those bloody Irish aren't white.

Sorry, can't avoid the sarcasm.