dealing with bosses without ending up in total conflict

[danyboy27]

there is some pretty serious issues where i work recently, the work atmosphere is intolerable, salesman are treating people like dirt, my boss has become a control freak and most of the employee are pissed about tne news rules and regulation implented by my superior.

i want to ease up this shit, talk to the bosses that people are fucking sick of this bullshit atmosphere, but i dont really know exactly how.


we are really a unified group, but 2 particular salesman and the new powertrip that my boss express these day make people really really mad.

most of people got a load to say but wouldnt dare saying a thing beccause they fear that it will either change nothing or make things worse.

i would be glad to hear your suggestion gentlemens.

ps: dont suggest anything related to unions, they have a heck of bad reputation where i live, and for some good reason.

[Jack]

Don't do anything by yourself or with just a few people, that's all I can say.

[Ele'ill]

Don't do anything by yourself or with just a few people, that's all I can say.

:rolleyes:






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we are really a unified group, but 2 particular salesman and the new powertrip that my boss express these day make people really really mad.

most of people got a load to say but wouldnt dare saying a thing beccause they fear that it will either change nothing or make things worse.


My boss and I just had a long talk about unions and the employee free choice act. We disagree and he's comfortable with that. I have organized at work before to get some things accomplished and most of the time it took me acting alone. At least to start with. Talk to everyone in the work place to see what their opinions are. Do it passively of course and don't assume. Don't step on anyone's toes. Your main goal is conflict resolution.

[Havet]

what exactly are the bosses doing that is creating this tension and bad atmosphere, and how exactly is it affecting workers?

btw, im not trying to defend bosses a priori, i just think a little more info would be welcomed to work this out better.

[danyboy27]

what exactly are the bosses doing that is creating this tension and bad atmosphere, and how exactly is it affecting workers?

btw, im not trying to defend bosses a priori, i just think a little more info would be welcomed to work this out better.

we been robbed recently and she is suspecting one of own staff member, the thief knew exactly what to steal and where. In order to tackle the issue, she reinforced the security measure to a batshit insane level, making other people job really dull and boring beccause of the countless protocol they have to fallow.

Personally, i cant blame her for that, but this lack of trust is making everyone terribly angry at her.

i am looking for a way to keep the stuff secure without limiting other peoples freedom of circulation but its impossible so far. Gosh, i had to watch the janitor when he sweeping the ground, i feel like a fucking security guard.

plus, i have to count my inventory 3 FUCKING TIME A WEEK. i mean, wtf man.

[Green Dragon]

we been robbed recently and she is suspecting one of own staff member, the thief knew exactly what to steal and where. In order to tackle the issue, she reinforced the security measure to a batshit insane level, making other people job really dull and boring beccause of the countless protocol they have to fallow.

Personally, i cant blame her for that, but this lack of trust is making everyone terribly angry at her.

i am looking for a way to keep the stuff secure without limiting other peoples freedom of circulation but its impossible so far. Gosh, i had to watch the janitor when he sweeping the ground, i feel like a fucking security guard.

plus, i have to count my inventory 3 FUCKING TIME A WEEK. i mean, wtf man.

You deal with it like a responsible adult, not a twelve year.

Your supervisor has a job to do- as do you. She believes one of her employees has been stealing, and as you described it seems a reasonable guess on her end. It is her job to see to it it does not happen. Her efforts in those areas are not causing the lack of trust- the thief did that, she simply responds.

Think about the problem you have in keeping your assigned stuff secure, while keeping free circulation. Come up with a solution and bring it her attention. Or explain the problem to her and what you have tried thus far. Maybe she might come up with a solution. Leave out the whining about checking inventory 3x's per week. She won't care, nor should she.

I don't know why you would have to watch the janitor (who is watching you?) Suggest cameras being placed.

[Havet]

we been robbed recently and she is suspecting one of own staff member, the thief knew exactly what to steal and where. In order to tackle the issue, she reinforced the security measure to a batshit insane level, making other people job really dull and boring beccause of the countless protocol they have to fallow.

Summon a meeting with bosses and employees. Discuss:
-What was stolen and where
-Possible methods used to steal it
-Inquiry to employees and employers, preferably by an outside institution agency, concerning alibis and general information about workers and bosses, like personality traits, motives, etc (if the things stolen are not of much worth to go throught he effort, and agency to hire is expensive, then employers and employees can agree on someone inside the company to do the inquiry, and save money).
- How was that thing stolen, and future preventive methods that either restrict a lot more the possibility of someone stealing without harming working conditions, or make it easier to track down who stole something.


Personally, i cant blame her for that, but this lack of trust is making everyone terribly angry at her.

Like mentioned above, its her job to make sure the company's property is not stolen.


i am looking for a way to keep the stuff secure without limiting other peoples freedom of circulation but its impossible so far. Gosh, i had to watch the janitor when he sweeping the ground, i feel like a fucking security guard.

oh, add to what i mentioned above that having other workers looking to other workers is useless, because not only it creates tension, but it can lead to more theft (eg, workers not happy to do jobs that they werent hired to do, like security, will have an incentive to revenge on the company, and since power is granted to a small number of persons, the "security guards", it may be possible for a worker to exploit this by bribing the agent of power.


plus, i have to count my inventory 3 FUCKING TIME A WEEK. i mean, wtf man.

Having only one person going around counting the inventories is not very good, since it accumulates power, and only that person has much access to a lot of things. Even though ii have no reasons to mistrust you or anybody so far, it would be better if inventory counting was done by more workers, which could lead to less counting times (maybe only once or twice a week)

Copy, paste, print, discuss and thank me later.

[eyedrop]

-Inquiry to employees and employers, preferably by an outside institution agency, concerning alibis and general information about workers and bosses, like personality traits, motives, etc (if the things stolen are not of much worth to go throught he effort, and agency to hire is expensive, then employers and employees can agree on someone inside the company to do the inquiry, and save money). This sounds like a good way to get the company to unionize. Why would the employees agree to be treated as criminals and go trough interragations? Most of the employees would probably just refuse to cooperate, especially as there are already tensions at the workplace, which I would think they have full legal rights to.





oh, add to what i mentioned above that having other workers looking to other workers is useless, because not only it creates tension, but it can lead to more theft (eg, workers not happy to do jobs that they werent hired to do, like security, will have an incentive to revenge on the company, and since power is granted to a small number of persons, the "security guards", it may be possible for a worker to exploit this by bribing the agent of power.

I was a bit surprised to hear this from you. Couldn't the arguement, against centralisation of power inwards in the company, also be used against managers and bosses?

[Havet]

I was a bit surprised to hear this from you. Couldn't the arguement, against centralisation of power inwards in the company, also be used against managers and bosses?

I don't know what's surprising about it, i posted somewhere i didn't like the structure of a corporation. The point is, if some people decided to structure themselves that way, i wouldn't have anything against it, just as i have nothing against people organizing themselves in communes.

It's pretty much a matter of preference. So long as they don't use force on workers (beat them up, enslave them so they can't elave and receive no pay) then i don't really care. My own preference is for agorist institutions, which i think have been increasing in number and will continue to increase as technological development continues to increase.

In any case, the argument against some bosses is really that the way they are running their own company is very inneficient. There are good bosses, those that actually manage to increase the company's performance without engaging in fraud, murdering, enslaving or stealing.

[eyedrop]

Sorry about misjudging.:)

[Havet]

Sorry about misjudging.:)

don't apologize. What do you think of my points? Do you think they are valid, or not? I'm always open to arguments - provided they are based on reason ^^

[eyedrop]

don't apologize. What do you think of my points? Do you think they are valid, or not? I'm always open to arguments - provided they are based on reason ^^

I just like to keep a friendly atmosphere.

As to the other points.



In any case, the argument against some bosses is really that the way they are running their own company is very inneficient. There are good bosses, those that actually manage to increase the company's performance without engaging in fraud, murdering, enslaving or stealing.Fine enugh, it should also be mentioned that i think that there are some decent evidence of syndicalist run companies are more efficient than todays corporations.


Summon a meeting with bosses and employees. Discuss:
-What was stolen and where
-Possible methods used to steal it
-Inquiry to employees and employers, preferably by an outside institution agency, concerning alibis and general information about workers and bosses, like personality traits, motives, etc (if the things stolen are not of much worth to go throught he effort, and agency to hire is expensive, then employers and employees can agree on someone inside the company to do the inquiry, and save money).
- How was that thing stolen, and future preventive methods that either restrict a lot more the possibility of someone stealing without harming working conditions, or make it easier to track down who stole something.
Why should the workers there call in a meeting proposing more measures that would make the bad tensions that already are there worse? Having a "big brother" company looking down everyones shoulder's wouldn't improve the working conditions.

[danyboy27]

tanks for the info, i will see what i can do.

well, i agree more on the part about too much power in 1 person, i mean, this is just insane, they are just lucky i am an honest man.

i have to watch the janitor beccaue he a freaking dingo, he the kind of guy talking about how to disable a security system or how he purchased a stolen ps3 .

i wish there would be more people to manage that freaking inventory, the problem is, its gonna generate cost and my working hour gonna be severly cut. i am the only one having complete control on it, mainly beccause its not huuge, but still, its been 2 week i am counting the inventory 3 time a week and its driving me nut.

we dont know really how this is happening, stuff disapear, no matter how locked up the inventory is, no matter the overwhelming number of procedure we put in place, stuff disapear now and then, and bam, stuff we havnt seen for decades pop up. its freaking depressing, every fucking time i count there is something that is not there that is here, and stuff that should be there disapear.

[Havet]

Fine enugh, it should also be mentioned that i think that there are some decent evidence of syndicalist run companies are more efficient than todays corporations.

And there is evidence that some communes run companies better than corporations, and self-employed institutions might even run them better. As long as ny of them don't enforce at gunpoint their model of management onto others then great.


Why should the workers there call in a meeting proposing more measures that would make the bad tensions that already are there worse? Having a "big brother" company looking down everyones shoulder's wouldn't improve the working conditions.

I would certainly dislike the idea of a big brother, it would certainly make things worse. i didnt exactly suggest having a big brother company, i suggested having a agreed-upon outsider or worker interrogating both parts until the problem is solved, or if the problem isnt solved, put measures in both employers and employees that will make it easier to track down the bad guy. Is surveillance big brother? Maybe. Will it create more tensions? I think the only tensions itll create is that the person who has been stealing will feel more nervous when trying to repeat the stunt.

In any case, now that you mention it, surveilance doesnt seem like an attractive option. but i really cant seem to come up with others right now.

[redSHARP]

go about it like an adult. maybe if it gets worse, bring in an outside person to mediate.

[Kronos]

Spet, we're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs, mmkay?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjYEVb-AhXg

[Havet]

Spet, we're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs, mmkay?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjYEVb-AhXg

funny movie that one, and funny clip as well...

[danyboy27]

office space is such a great movie