Socialist countries trading with capitalist countries?

[Idealism]

Maybe a stupid question, maybe not, I don't know, but this is the learning forum.

Why does socialist countries trading with capitalist countries lead to capitalism? or does it not?
If this trade does lead to capitalist restoration, why is it that socialist countries can trade with each other without capitalist restoration.

[Psy]

Maybe a stupid question, maybe not, I don't know, but this is the learning forum.

Why does socialist countries trading with capitalist countries lead to capitalism? or does it not?
If this trade does lead to capitalist restoration, why is it that socialist countries can trade with each other without capitalist restoration.
The whole point of capitalists trade is sell commodities for profit, no capitalists would trade their surplus with a socialist country in order to exchange use values like socialist trading with each other would do (for example a agricultural socialists regions trading agricultural goods to a industrial socialist region for machinery and finished goods, or a mining region trading raw materials for food, machinery and finished goods).

Capitalists will always exploit socialists trading with them as they exploit everyone that trades with them.

[JammyDodger]

When socialist countries form a majority of the worlds real wealth it will change.

As it is the small (but slowly growing) group of socialist countries have limited clout and resources.

[robbo203]

Maybe a stupid question, maybe not, I don't know, but this is the learning forum.

Why does socialist countries trading with capitalist countries lead to capitalism? or does it not?
If this trade does lead to capitalist restoration, why is it that socialist countries can trade with each other without capitalist restoration.


Capitalism is a global system. So too must socialism be. Socialism however involves the elimination of buying and selling. Buying and selling implies sectional owenrship -a differentiation into owners and non-owners of the means of prpduction This is totally incompatible with common ownership.

By the time socialism (aka communism) is on the cards in one part of the world it will be virtually on the cards every where else. It is inconceivable that you could have a mass worker movement for the "abolition of the wages system" in, say, the USA but not in Europe or China or Brazil. The socialist movement itself, as it grows in influence, will be increasingly coordinated on an global level. This is not to mention the way in which ideas can rapidly spread via such media as the internet and so on.

What this boil downs is that period between when socialism is established in one part of the world and when it is established elsewhere will probably be very brief. I dont think the the question of trade will be anything like the problem that is sometimes envisaged.

When socialism is finally established on a global basis then of of course the question of trade disappears completely. With socialism, trading as an activity ceases to have any more meaning