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Faust
18th June 2009, 19:04
Well, I'm not exactly new to communism. I've a fairly strong understanding of it (or so I think). I've read through the writings of Marx, Engels, Lenin and the like and am trying hard to get active and actually influence some change in society.. (sitting around reading books all day doesn't seem to help ;) )

So I'd like to know where to go from here for a more in depth study of Communism and Socialism; things I should know, things I should do, etc.

Plus, post anything you think is necessary for someone like me to know. I'm just looking for information!

right, thanks =]

Red October
18th June 2009, 19:08
Shameless plug: read Kropotkin and learn the history of anarchism, particularly in Ukraine and Spain.

ZeroNowhere
18th June 2009, 22:16
I had posted this earlier when somebody asked for recommendations of books (there are some articles here as well as books):

'Value, Price and Profit', 'Wage Labour and Capital', and 'Capital' (all three volumes in order) by Marx. Well, of course. Note that Marx's views in VPP and WLC aren't exactly the same as those in 'Capital', but those provide a good introduction, and are close enough. You probably won't fully understand the first three chapters of volume 1 of 'Capital' on your initial read, so you can just skip them if you're struggling with them, read the rest of the book, and then go back and reread those chapters, because they're still important. 'Theories of Surplus Value' generally just goes over territory covered by the others, and isn't especially vital if you read the other volumes.
'Reclaiming Marx's Capital' by Kliman. Kliman has some essays up on his site that go over the same territory, but I prefer reading the book.
'The reproduction of everyday life' by Perlman. Here (http://libcom.org/library/reproduction-everyday-life-fredy-perlman).
'Karl Marx' by Karl Korsch. Here (http://www.marxists.org/archive/korsch/1938/karl-marx/index.htm).
'Marx's Theory of Crisis' by Simon Clarke. You can download that here (http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~syrbe/mst/mst.htm).
'Fifteen Questions about socialism', and 'Socialist Reconstruction of Society' by Daniel De Leon. Found here (http://slp.org/litera2.htm#anchor437650) or here (http://www.marxists.org/archive/deleon/index.htm). Note that an image of 'Uncle Sam's Balance Sheet' is only found on the SLP site version, though I don't really see the section on the first clause as of much interest, since it was more directed to non-socialists.
'The Marxian Concept of Capital and the Soviet Experience' by Paresh Chattopadhyay. What it says on the tin.
'The Violence of Abstraction' by Derek Sayer. On historical materialism. The MIA (ie. marxists.org) has 2 chapters out of 6, but it's worth getting it in full.

It may help. Perhaps also of interest is 'The Impossibilists' by Peter Newell.


Shameless plug: read Kropotkin and learn the history of anarchism, particularly in Ukraine and Spain.Um, this is a thread for 'plugs'. As it is, members of a certain current would probably know the most important texts and such from that current. So it would make sense that they suggest them.

( R )evolution
18th June 2009, 22:28
Everything you will ever need is right here comrade:


Marxists.org

A great resources for further learning. If you have already read the Marxist classics, look into the essays and letters on the site. Also there are hundreds of Marxists scholars who have written work on that site, just browse around.

But dont just spend your time reading! Get out in your community and try to find some parties that share your views about communism and how to achieve it. Do some searches on google and just browse around the various parties in your city. Through dialogue you can definitely improve your hold on Marxists ideas and soldify your opinions.

Stick around this site as well. It is a great resource for discussions and ideas.

revolution inaction
19th June 2009, 01:19
So I'd like to know where to go from here for a more in depth study of Communism and Socialism; things I should know, things I should do, etc.


This is a useful communist website http://libcom.org

Faust
20th June 2009, 04:10
But dont just spend your time reading! Get out in your community and try to find some parties that share your views about communism and how to achieve it. Do some searches on google and just browse around the various parties in your city. Through dialogue you can definitely improve your hold on Marxists ideas and soldify your opinions.

I'm having difficulties with that, haha. As a fifteen year old my mothers restrictions are.. well.. restricting.

A while ago I was asked by the province organizer of the Youth Communist League of Canada to set up a club in my area, I was unable to due to fears from my parents.

When I'm older I plan on running for the CPC in my riding (As long as my views don't change..)

I truly don't see the point in just being "an intellectual", our movement needs less people who just read, deem themselves communists, and don't do a thing towards the liberation of the working class... We need people who will fight for Communism.

:hammersickle:

Qayin
20th June 2009, 08:23
I have another question. How much alot of us are under 20? Im only 16 and started coming here at 15

BIG BROTHER
20th June 2009, 09:52
Well even if you parents restrict you, try to engage in any other form of activism that you possibly can. That will change your views a whole lot that you think. Also I would recommend you read The Revolution Betrayed by Trotsky and of course by other different tendencies so you learn were you really stand in.

Q
20th June 2009, 10:42
Some recommendations (although by no means a complete overview):

From the Marx & Engels Archive (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/date/index.htm):
Wage Labour & Capital (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm)
The Communist Manifesto (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm)
Critique of the Gotha Program (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/index.htm)
Anti-Dühring (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/index.htm)
Socialism: Utopian and scientific (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm)
Origin of the family, private property and the state (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/index.htm)

From the Lenin Archive (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/index.htm):
Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/index.htm)
The Tasks of the Proletariat in the Present Revolution [a.k.a. The April Theses] (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/apr/04.htm)
The State and Revolution (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/index.htm)
"Left-Wing" Childishness and the Petty-Bourgeois Mentality (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/may/09.htm)
Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/index.htm)
"Last Testament" Letters to the Congress (http://marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/testamnt/index.htm)

From the Trotsky Archive (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/index.htm)
Results and Prospects (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1931/tpr/rp-index.htm)
The Year 1905 (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1907/1905/index.htm)
War and the International (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1914/war/index.htm)
The Lessons of October (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1924/lessons/index.htm)
First Five Years of the Communist International - Volume 1 (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1924/ffyci-1/index.htm)
First Five Years of the Communist International - Volume 2 (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1924/ffyci-2/index.htm)
Platform of the Opposition (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1927/opposition/index.htm)
The Third International After Lenin (A Draft Criticism of the Communist International) (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1928/3rd/index.htm)
The History of the Russian Revolution (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/hrr/index.htm)
The Permanent Revolution (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1931/tpr/index.htm)
What Next? Vital Questions for the German Proletariat (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1932-ger/index.htm)
In Defense of October (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1932/11/oct.htm)
It Is Necessary to Build Communist Parties and an International Anew (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1933/330715.htm)
The Revolution Betrayed (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1936/revbet/index.htm)
The Transitional Program for Socialist Revolution (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/tp/index.htm)

From the Luxemburg Archive (http://marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/index.htm):
Reform or Revolution (http://marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1900/reform-revolution/index.htm)

hammer and sickle
20th June 2009, 18:47
You can find many Marxist books and literature on the internet for free. I cant post links but if you google "Communist literature" your bound to find something. Plus marxists.org has some stuff you can read through.

Faust
20th June 2009, 19:17
I've explored marxists.org a little bit already, It's a useful website. A huge amount of information on there.

:hammersickle: