Conservative anti-communist website

[Socialist Scum]

http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/

:lol:

I must say this is terrible, but its a new website.

http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.o...eligion?page=2 (http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/features/war_on_religion?page=2)

Look at the poll
Options:
Positive
Neutral
Negative
Very negative.

I voted positive, I think if everyone votes positive we can actually make the poll very different. :lol:

[Q]

How pathetic.

[Killfacer]

it's a very nice looking site

[ls]

Beaudiful site. Beaudiful.

[Pogue]

how cute

[Idealism]

Did anyone else notice how in there "victims registry" section, almost all the people come from either vietnam or north korea?

[Il Medico]

Everyone here should vote on that poll. I think we could really embarrass them if their poll showed that their visitors favored communism!:D


Another thought: We should make a website called "The museum of capitalism" and display all the crimes of capitalist. Our however, will actually be based on real crimes by real capitalist.

[rednordman]

They don't ask for donations (http://http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/contribute) which means they're not publicly funded. Looking at the fancy graphics etc, its likely they're funded by one of the right-wing "think tanks" like Cato, Heritage institute etc.I think you are correct there. Not a bad effort though:lol:. It made me laugh looking at the map, and seeing unknown listed under about 70% of the formerly communist countries for the death tolls.

In all honesty, someone with a bit of money to spare could quite easially produce a site in exactly the same format, but capitalism instead. Now that would be interesting...

Hearing some of those people talk, its as if they do not realise that capitalism is an actually entity or concept. To them everything good on this earth represents capitalism, god and america..It wouldnt suprise me, if when these people hear of a murder in their own towns, they automatically assume that the murderer is a communist.:rolleyes:

[Rusty Shackleford]

:mellow:This shock site takes the cake. What about one about Americas imperialism in the Philippines, Cuba, North America, South America... and the list goes on. i think theres a thread devoted to the american imperialistic adventures though.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/american-imperialism-t5305/index.html not total death count though, just areas affected.



or what about India? what was it. 1billion(i dont know if it was that high but i remember reading that) dead because of the UK?
http://www.revleft.com/vb/uk-bbc-holocaust-t109636/index.html?t=109636&highlight=India
Imperialism has the high score.

i certainly hope no students use that website as reference for projects.

i did a quick google on imperialism
http://www.imperialismkills.org/stats

"398,770,293 Dead and Counting"

i dont know how good of a source that is though.

[Dr Mindbender]

they don't have a forum, so clearly they are too intellectually cowardly to actually back up what they are saying.

:lol:

[rednordman]

Hold the phone a second, i'v just noticed that these are using the same fonts as that movie 'soviet story'. There is a good chance that this is financed by one of the conservative parties of the European parlament. All I know is that Italies wonderfull 'northen league':lol: is part of this group. And they are fascist sympathisers...

[Jack]

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation Board of Directors is charged with the overall administrative and policy oversight of the Global Virtual Museum on Communism. The Board includes:
Dr. Lee Edwards, Chairman
Michael B. Ryan, Vice Chairman
Michael Sawkiw, Jr., Secretary –Treasurer
Karl Altau, Richard W. Carlson, Dr. Lev E. Dobriansky, Anhthu Lu, Grover G. Norquist, Robert A. Schadler, Radi Slavoff, Dr. Michael Szporer and Randal C. Teague.

Here's who they are: http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/board_of_directors

[Jack]

So far 21% of visitors have a positive view of Communism, keep it up everyone!

[rednordman]

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation Board of Directors is charged with the overall administrative and policy oversight of the Global Virtual Museum on Communism. The Board includes:
Dr. Lee Edwards, Chairman
Michael B. Ryan, Vice Chairman
Michael Sawkiw, Jr., Secretary –Treasurer
Karl Altau, Richard W. Carlson, Dr. Lev E. Dobriansky, Anhthu Lu, Grover G. Norquist, Robert A. Schadler, Radi Slavoff, Dr. Michael Szporer and Randal C. Teague.

Here's who they are: http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/board_of_directors Says it all really. Its like they think that we do not realise the crimes of the past and think that all in former communist countries was rosy and like heaven. Thing is though, 99% of us regretfully accept this, and are STILL communists.

I actually wonder that the only argument that they have against us is that we are uneducated and naive, and havent been 'SHOCKED into submission and realisation over the communist ATTACKS on GOD and RELIGION!!!'.

Cannot they just accept that people who are alienated will develop different values to them, due to life experience. They last thing they need is to be partronising.

[GPDP]

Lee Edwards, Ph.D., is a Distinguished Fellow in Conservative Thought at The Heritage Foundation

Stopped reading there.

[Sarah Palin]

Hold the phone a second, i'v just noticed that these are using the same fonts as that movie 'soviet story'.

"that movie" made me hate my school. I'm sorry to go off tangent.... But being a senior, I got to make my own page for our yearbook. For the background, I chose a hammer and sickle, as well as quoted Chomsky, Luxembourg, Trotsky, etc.
One parent, supposedly a "victim" of the Soviet Union was horribly offended by it. She then gifted Soviet Story to the history department and insisted that they teach the "horror that is Communism" to the students.
Luckily, the administration sympathizes to the opinions and values of the students and not the parents.

I guess that film and this website are gathering momentum.
Only to be stopped by the revolutionary left though.

[GPDP]

Haha, I just noticed they only have one positive and two negative options on the poll.

The bias is so in-your-face it's hilarious.

[rednordman]

"that movie" made me hate my school. I'm sorry to go off tangent.... But being a senior, I got to make my own page for our yearbook. For the background, I chose a hammer and sickle, as well as quoted Chomsky, Luxembourg, Trotsky, etc.
One parent, supposedly a "victim" of the Soviet Union was horribly offended by it. She then gifted Soviet Story to the history department and insisted that they teach the "horror that is Communism" to the students.
Luckily, the administration sympathizes to the opinions and values of the students and not the parents.

I guess that film and this website are gathering momentum.
Only to be stopped by the revolutionary left though.Ha ha, I like the sound of your administration.

You know what annoys me the most about the notion of teaching kids about the 'horrors of communism'. It is the fact that if you where to ring up your school and fake being a parent from a third-world country, fleeing poverty, and complained about a kids libertarian website, They wouldnt even listen to them.

I do not know whether anyone has noticed this much, but teaching children about this in school is in my opinion, a little bit hypocritical. If a communist country teaches children something against capitalism or in favour of communism, it is scourned at by the west as being lies, brain-washing and trying to 'influence' minors. Tell me please, how is showing debatable movies which exagerate death tolls and theory of marxism, as well as drill it into them that capitalism is the only good theory for economics (which is a lie) to young kids not the same?

You know, it wouldnt even surpise me whether there is no 'mother who is a victim of soviet union' and that either someone on the administration is a libertarian hardliner, or that one of the parents is a hardline conservative.

[Chambered Word]

Gotta love the tards who created that site. 'Oh of course, Marx really did write about how governments should seize power (from people who were even more corrupt than they were) and kill millions of people in the name of equality and create a totalitarian regime.'

Capitalism has directly killed alot of people through starvation, poor healthcare, exhaustion/slavery, suicide etc etc and definately much more than communism has supposedly killed.

tl;dr conservatards made a propaganda site to say 'SEE WE'RE RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG JESUS WILL SAVE YOU!11one'. I can't believe people still believe this crap.

[Sarah Palin]

Just being bored on the internet this morning, I went back to the site. Take a look at that poll. How peculiar that the positive votes have stayed the same, but "Very negative" has increased from 50 something to 66%! What the fuck.

Edit: Continuing with my boredom, I took their quiz on communism and got one wrong. I said 30 million people were killed in the Soviet Union. They say 100 million! WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Seriously, can someone hack the site?

[rednordman]

Just being bored on the internet this morning, I went back to the site. Take a look at that poll. How peculiar that the positive votes have stayed the same, but "Very negative" has increased from 50 something to 66%! What the fuck.

Edit: Continuing with my boredom, I took their quiz on communism and got one wrong. I said 30 million people were killed in the Soviet Union. They say 100 million! WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Seriously, can someone hack the site? They are total idiots and are even contradicting their own statistics. In the 'map of communism', it clearly stated just 2 days ago that it was 30 million people killed with in the former soviet union!:laugh:

[DecDoom]

This website is terrible. For the hell of it, I tried reading a couple articles about some communist leaders, and there was so much bias and BS that I gave up and quit.

I feel bad for the student that gets tricked into using this website for a report or a project. They'll probably get an "A" for it, but they'll remember what they read on the website and believe it's true.

[Sarah Palin]

If you look at the exhibits, I would say it should be called the "Ronald Reagan is fucking awesome museum! CAPITALISM! CAPITALISM! FREE MARKET! SEE? WE GOT 'FREE' IN OUR NAME FUCKIN' PINKOS."

[Q]

let's create a globalmuseumofcapitalism.org

[Socialist Scum]

let's create a globalmuseumofcapitalism.org

And write, with a blank white page:

"We don't need a fancy template or fake statistics to tell you this:

Capitalism sucks. No. Really. It does."

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/what_is_communism


The Communists, like the socialists and anarchists, assert that their dictatorship is only a temporary regime


Experience indicates that a Communist regime can dissolve only if its rulers are no longer willing to maintain it. It cannot be dissolved from below.

I don't even know where these guys pull that stuff from... Allegedly, the established genius who wrote the above, is a professor at Harvard.

[Sarah Palin]

Flood the poll! Vote positive and show those assholes their own stupidity.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I love how they don't use actual facts to back up anything they say. Most of the site consists of "So and so Communist killed X million of people".

[Dimentio]

http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/what_is_communism

Nice definition of communism btw :P

[GPDP]

http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/what_is_communism

Nice definition of communism btw :P

ffffffffffffffffff

Christ, it's like they're asking to be hacked.

[Das war einmal]

The only thing bothering me is all those naive people that will start believing this crap

[OneNamedNameLess]

Right, I shall be voting in this poll then hee hee.

[Wanted Man]

http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/what_is_communism





I don't even know where these guys pull that stuff from... Allegedly, the established genius who wrote the above, is a professor at Harvard.
That's Richard "October = coup" Pipes. A lot of people on RevLeft would probably like him, tbh.

[Sarah Palin]

ffffffffffffffffff

Christ, it's like they're asking to be hacked.

Please do. Or find someone who can. It needs to be done.

Edit: Idea! Go to the victims registry and register a fake person and in the story you write about them, elaborate as to how they were a victim of capitalism.

[LOLseph Stalin]

http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.o...t_is_communism (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/what_is_communism)

Nice definition of communism btw :P

Proof that those people don't have anything beyond a grade school education. :)

[Pinko Panther]

I tried to submit a fake bio of a "victim of capitalism", but I doubt it will be accepted. The site threatens to "purge" incorrect entries.
I voted in the poll, though. Results so far:
Positive: 21%
Neutral: 4%
Negative: 7%
Very Negative: 68%
Looks like more people are falling for their propaganda.

[LOLseph Stalin]

The site threatens to "purge" incorrect entries.


They want to "purge" people? I know, because Capitalism is so free. :rolleyes: Freedom! Woo!

[*Viva La Revolucion*]

I don't know whether to laugh or get angry. Perhaps I could laugh angrily. Communism hasn't killed people. Did hardback copies of the manifesto suddenly start firing themselves at people? Did the hammer and sickle jump down from a banner and start beating citizens? I think not.

I voted in the poll but it seems unlikely it'll do anything - the very negative vote was about 68% or something. I wish someone would hack it and change the votes. :laugh: Though, if they found out then they'd be able to talk about 'How communism killed our pretty website'.

The thing I really dislike about this is that it's so, so, so biased. The whole site has been created by ultra-conservative, all-American, God fearing, lets-move-back-to-the-1950s-type people. They won't even give a solid, truthful definition of what communism actually is. If someone's looking to find out about communism and this is the first place they're directed to, they'll probably be against it for life.

[rednordman]

They want to "purge" people? I know, because Capitalism is so free. :rolleyes: Freedom! Woo!Indeed, because anyone who questions capitalism or has a bad experience is incorrect and doesnt understand life.:rolleyes:

[Russian]

Gotta love the tards who created that site. 'Oh of course, Marx really did write about how governments should seize power (from people who were even more corrupt than they were) and kill millions of people in the name of equality and create a totalitarian regime.'

Capitalism has directly killed alot of people through starvation, poor healthcare, exhaustion/slavery, suicide etc etc and definately much more than communism has supposedly killed.

tl;dr conservatards made a propaganda site to say 'SEE WE'RE RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG JESUS WILL SAVE YOU!11one'. I can't believe people still believe this crap.
I hope you do not include all Christians in 'conservatards', comrade. I am a Christian, yet I am liberal in most matters. Those of us Christians who have not been brainwashed by the American media tend to support communism or structured anarchy.

[Sarah Palin]

Anyone else notice how the poll is no longer there? I guess 22% having a positive view towards communism was too close for comfort.

[NecroCommie]

I gonna send them feedback with my actual e-mail included. Don't worry! No flaiming or unbased arguments included. I am about to point out critical fallacies in their website, and correct the most dramatic of misunderstandings.

This all, simply to see how surprised they are when a communist surpasses them in philosophical knowledge. (which most of us do)

[GPDP]

I gonna send them feedback with my actual e-mail included. Don't worry! No flaiming or unbased arguments included. I am about to point out critical fallacies in their website, and correct the most dramatic of misunderstandings.

This all, simply to see how surprised they are when a communist surpasses them in philosophical knowledge. (which most of us do)

Trust me, don't hold your breath. Whoever made such a biased and blatanly anti-intellectual website (by a Harvard professor no less) cannot be expected to hold enough intellectual honesty to acknowledge your criticism, let alone respond to it.

It is obvious the purpose of this website is not to inform or warn, but to propagate anti-communism and promote Christian idiocy and American chauvinism.

[NecroCommie]

Greetings!
I am a 20 year old history student from Finland!

I would like to give feedback concerning philosophical inaccuracies on this site: "Global museum of communism" The inaccuracies I mentioned being so numerous in nature, I will have to divide my feedback on smaller chapters. First chapter is however dedicated to a more technical issue.

1. Lack of online discussion
During this modern age of online communication, it is surprising to see an internet site without a proper discussion forum. Considering the scientific nature od this museum, and the philosophical nature of its contents, it might become more than hard to construct proper scientific critizism in a small box like this. Also the lack of peer review between the feedback and its receiver is unscientific in nature. If I may, I would like to suggest vBulletin service which is free as far as I know, and also easy to maintain.

2. The definition of communism, or communist.
Almost any scientific definition of communism starts with "a stateless society..." Such is the case in the very definitive book of communism, the communist manifesto. This point is also further elaborated in the book "state and revolution" by no other than mr. V.I. Lenin. By this virtue alone, all of the "communist" states listed on this site are no communist at all, proved by the very fact that they are states. This is not to be contested it seems logical enough. Any serious definition of communism says communism is stateless society. This site only lists states. No communism is discussed at all here.

Karl Marx and V.I. Lenin both however pointed out, that the society preceding communism does have a state of a kind, and that society would be called socialist society. Both also proceeded to further define this socialist semi-state. Features of socialism include:

-The community owns the means of production.
This was somewhat made true in the old communist countries, as the state truly owned the means of production. At least this was true in the early years of these regimes. From the 60's onwards however, companies were allowed to exist, and private ownership of the production lines were re-introduced.
Also considering that the original meaning of the community was propably smaller than state, perhaps even meaning towns or cities, the socialist nature of the old eastern-bloc countries can be contested

-Every official must be elected, and can be called off at anytime by those who elected him/her.
This point clearly shows that the old "communist" countries were not even socialist. No officials were elected, and by no means could they be called off. As an interesting point however, there is Cuba. Cuba has an elaborate grass-root democracy in which officials are in deed elected, and can be called off.

-Officials are not allowed to earn more than the average workers.
No socialism in the eastern-bloc. Only a madman would claim that the officials earned only as much as the average workers. In this regard however, the things were alot better during the era of Lenin. Not socialist though.

So clearly, anyone calling the "communist" countries even socialist, have not grasped the definition of communism.

Then there is the point of communist, as a supporter of communism. This case differs little from the previous points. If one supports the system that was the ex-USSR or China, by no means is that person a communist. The people and the leaders of those countries might have called themselves communists, but then again the "national socialists" called themselves socialists. Also, if I were to claim I am a pacifist, and then claim that it is a part of pacifism to kill people, I would not be a pacifist but a liar. In similar way, the leaders of those soviet-bloc countries were liars.

3. 100 million dead?

The fact that I cannot see the calculation method used to reach this number renders the result unscientific. That is if we go by the rules of empirical studies.
To be frank, I believe it is intentionally mis-calculated. If the methods are at all same as the ones used in previous "studies" of communism, the result is outright propostherous. It would certainly include the victims of all the famines, including the holodomor, which would prove the political bias. If the same method were to be used on capitalism, the victims of capitalism would greatly outnumber the ones of the alleged "communism". The famines of India during the British rule alone would dwarf the victims of "communist" famines.

Then there are the persecutions and the purges of the "communist" leaders. To this topic I will have to say that ideologies don't kill people. People do. When Stalin purged his officers prior to WW2, it was not communism who did it. Stalin did. This way of thinking is similar to the fact that when people die in the modern Iraqi war, it is not capitalism that kills them. The war does. This same goes to the famine topic, for it is not systems of government that trigger famines. Famines have happened for aeons, and continue to happen still. Before and after both communism and capitalism.

3. The ending words
I would love to see any scientific political museum to read Karl Marx's works "the communist manifesto", and his critizism of capitalist economy: "the capital". There exists no non-biased literature to this topic due to communism still existing, so the only scientific way to approach would be to study the movements and their histories inside out.

Awaiting for the correction of mistakes...
"Censured signature"

GPDP: I know they propably just ignore anything that has intelligence or science written on it, but lets see if my actual name will draw their "arguments" out. No, I won't hold my breath, but if I actually receive anything I'll post it here. I tried to be brief so they propably think they can find some loopholes if they want.


Damn!!! I just noticed I made a ridiculous mistake. Thats what you get when you have to write an article in to a box the size of their penis.

[Sarah Palin]

Necrocommie, it'd be great if they recognized it. But alas, any website as blatantly biased and full of untruths will probably be at a loss for words for something so well organized and well written.

[NecroCommie]

Yeah. I did it mostly because I am bored out of my ass.

[redSHARP]

i would love for them to read it and be "This makes perfect sense, communism rocks!!"

[NecroCommie]

Could anyone just ask about the poll that disappeared? I can't because they have my real e-mail so they propably wouldn't respond. To such an innocent question they might answer.

[jo stalling]

quote"_"horrors of communism"_" ? what is that my friends im not familiar with this term ?

[Manifesto]

You know they are stupid when they say China is Communist. http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/features/china_21st_century

[GPDP]

You know they are stupid when they say China is Communist. http://www.globalmuseumoncommunism.org/features/china_21st_century

To call them stupid is to absolve them of such a blatant display of intellectual dishonesty.

[Manifesto]

To call them stupid is to absolve them of such a blatant display of intellectual dishonesty.
Not really I call my sister stupid because she really is unbelievably stupid.

[GPDP]

Not really I call my sister stupid because she really is unbelievably stupid.

I'm talking about these people in particular. You think they are the kind to be blissfully unaware of what actual communism is, and how it differs from the Soviet bloc? You think they are actually stupid enough to believe China to be communist?

I expect that shit from Austrians, but not from Harvard academics. There is a difference between being stupid and intentionally obfuscating the truth. And these people are certainly the kind to do the later. Why? Because they are establishment shills, and their purpose is to provide ideological cover for it, and demonize anything that may challenge it.

[Manifesto]

Hmm. They probably are spreading propaganda but the problem I have most about the site is that how kids in school will have to make a report about the website and believe that stuff like DeclinedDoomed said. I still am brainwashed by some of the crap I had to do.

[Revulero]

what happened to the poll :confused:

[LeninKobaMao]

Yeah what happened to the poll?

[LOLseph Stalin]

Obviously they deleted it because they were scared to know the truth that Communism is actually better than Capitalism by a longshot.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I got 4 out of 4 on the Quiz on Communism!!!!

That site is a crazy bourgeois brain washing piece of crap.

[Bandito]

Communism is a variant of socialism
Oh dear.