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Die Neue Zeit
17th June 2009, 05:24
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/21688



What's Wrong with a 30-Hour Work Week?
By Don Fitz



With millions of jobs lost during the first part of 2009, who is calling for a shorter work week to spread the work around? Not the Republicans. Not even the Democrats. But why is there nary a peep from unions?

In the US, auto sets the pace for organized labor. The only discussion at the top levels of the UAW (United Auto Workers) is how quickly the gains won during the last 50 years can be given back. Does the UAW have no memory of the 1930s and 40s when a shorter work week was at center of organizing demands?

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Some of the most insightful writing on hours of labor is in Karl Marx's Capital. While most of it reflects the analytical style of 19th century economic writing, Chapter X on "The Working-Day" reveals Marx's passionate outrage at what long hours do to workers' health. The problem started as infant capitalism found the hours of labor under feudalism to be insufficient to satisfy its urges for expansion.

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How long did it take them to get rid of the 30-hour week? Almost 40 years! The desire to have more time to themselves was so strong that it was not until 1985 that Kellogg was able to eliminate the 30-hour work week in the last department.

The experience at Kellogg indicates that it is absolutely false to say that all workers all of the time crave more stuff and will sacrifice anything to get it. Karl Marx made a similar observation when writing about "The Working-Day." Quoting results of a poll of those who had labored excruciating hours at a Lancashire factory, "They would much prefer working 10 hours for less wages..."

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Despite all of this, there is something problematic with advocating a 30-hour work week at the beginning of the 21st century: a 30 hour week is not short enough! There is mushrooming unemployment amidst mountains of useless products. An hour of labor now produces more goods than has ever been the case in the history of humanity. Combining these means that there is no reason for anyone to work more than 20 hours per week.

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Every environmentalist who wants to stop coal companies from blowing the top off of sacred mountains should be on those mountains screaming that private health insurance and pension plans must be replaced by single payer health care and a social security system with at least a four-fold expansion of payments. In case the environmental significance is not clear...

1. Halting the cancerous growth of useless fall-apart junk production requires a drastic shortening of the work week; and,

2. Cutting the work week can only happen if people are not terrified that fewer hours means they will lose health insurance and pension plans.

These are called "social wages." Social wages also include mass transportation, clean water, breathable air, uncontaminated land and something which is becoming increasingly rare: the right to quality free public education which is coordinated by representatives directly elected by citizens. These social wages are as important environmentally as medical care and pensions.

The right to a home with electricity and heat is part of the same pattern. People who are not fearful of being thrown out of their home or losing their utilities have much less incentive to work long hours.

There remains an enormous problem that permeates every other barrier to shortening the working day. As long as production is based on the maximization of profit, each corporation is pushed to extend working hours as long as possible for fear the competition will do it first.

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In the 21st century, we should update this to say that capital feeds with two fangs: one to suck the blood of labor and the other fang to drain life from Mother Earth. Can the 20 hour work week become a wooden stake held by the environmental movement as it is pounded by labor? Maybe; but not necessarily. A stake that is driven too shallow will allow the demon to awaken with renewed strength.

When US workers struck for the eight hour day in 1886, they were going beyond pay issues and demanding that labor have a role in controlling the process of production. Today, we need a progressive alliance to challenge not only how many hours we work, but the quality, durability and even the necessity of goods we produce. Drastically cutting the hours we work will help save the Earth's ecology only if it is part of an overarching goal to improve the quality of our lives while reducing the grand mass of manufactured objects.

JammyDodger
17th June 2009, 09:01
In a communist world we might amaze ourselves with how little real proper work there is to go around, I just hope the sun will be out so I get games of Cricket in:)

If we think about it, a large percentage of the worlds population is currently engaged in agriculture, the general rule seems to be the poorer the country the more engaged.

In a communist world farming practices will be modernised in these countries, greater yields from far less people, and this principle can transfer to a lot of areas.

Many millions are also rendered unfit to do any work by conditions easily fixed by modern medicine they dont have access to, and not to mention all the pointless actual jobs being done whose hours can be re-distributed and labour used to share the burden.

And productivity per man/women when working shorter hours over the the course of a life is likely per hour to be better, though im making an uneducated assumption with that.

We will have to get used to doing our little share of the the worlds collective labour needs and spending the rest of the time engaged in higher persuits

Question is how will we cope, all that extra time under the wifes rule :wub:

Pawn Power
17th June 2009, 15:14
Yeah, I just read that the other day. The thing is, people arn't even working 40 hour weeks anymore. Many are working, if they are employed which is becoming increasingly rare, are working 50, 60, 70 hours.

JammyDodger
17th June 2009, 16:23
Yeah, I just read that the other day. The thing is, people arn't even working 40 hour weeks anymore. Many are working, if they are employed which is becoming increasingly rare, are working 50, 60, 70 hours.

True again, but I mean if you are on a crap rate of pay there is often little choice if you want to pay the bills.
The wage slavery trap.

Also in a lot of companies ive worked for the worker is held with such little regard, ie some type of human prop.

I used to build motorcycle tyres, pretty important bits of kit, but that company seemed to go out of its way to do everything in could to make life harder for us, as hard as possible to make a tyre, to get one penny extra for the share holders.
Im sure when a hells angel is having his face shredded on tarmac because his tyre was built on clapped out kit he will thank god the share holders got paid.
They worked us like dogs for 12 hours a day 4 days on 4 days off, and ive got to say towards the end of day 3 of this slog of building a tyre every 6 minutes your skills tend to drop a bit.

I did my very best but I cant vouch for everyone, just glad i dont ride a motorcycle.

All that to make cheap death traps, the share holders were the only winners from what I could see, still it turned me red so I guess I should thank them.

Looking at that one site, even if there products were needed after a revolution, the number of staff on that site who added nothing to the product (the ones with bullshit job titles), and more than that prevented you from making a better product was well over half the staff.

ie twice as much output, should it be needed would be possible without any hassle, or the same output for half as much collective man hours.

And if given real people power to those who do the work and know how best to get it done, without doubt a better product would be the result.
Factor that to almost every corner of the developed west.

A communist world will be like walking through a field of daisies and buttercups compared to the somme we currently live in.

pastradamus
19th June 2009, 14:36
i've always been a fan of the 35hour week. But I believe in times of high unemployment that a 30hour week could be a good option provided its at no loss to the worker. In Ireland lately the INO (irish nurses organisation) has successfull bargained a 37.5 hour week with no reduction in pay and so I think thats a good step for their members.

Die Neue Zeit
20th June 2009, 01:38
Actually, I was being much more aggressive. I meant a permanent reduction of hours to 30-32 hours (preferrably 32, with four working days only), as per my commentary. ;)

pastradamus
30th June 2009, 01:15
Actually, I was being much more aggressive. I meant a permanent reduction of hours to 30-32 hours (preferrably 32, with four working days only), as per my commentary. ;)

Oh yes I know. Im simply showing how the application of reduced hours and consistant pay can actually benefit the worker.

So when I talked of the nurses union going from a 40 hour to a 37 hour week at no loss to the worker I was arguing in favour of your point.

This will obviously not happen over night so a slow cut-down to the 30 hour mark would be a step.

bellyscratch
30th June 2009, 10:57
30 hour weeks are far too long... I don't think I could handle working even that long every week. Maybe I have some sort of psychological problem or I'm just lazy but I couldn't do it unless I got to work whenever I wanted through the day, like being a freelance something or other. Saying that though, at uni I worked a lot harder than other students on my course and my friends too, but I guess that was because I got to work whenever I wanted...

OK, maybe 30 hours a week isn't too long and its just the regular working patterns i don't like.

h9socialist
1st July 2009, 19:37
Shorter work time is a key socialist demand. It was in the forefront in the 19th Century -- and desperately needs revival in this century. The struggle for shorter work time IS the struggle for the emancipation of the working class. The more time outside the realm of necessity, the more time spent in the realm of freedom. Of course, in order for this to happen a much more just distribution of wealth must occur. Otherwise, it's what we have today: the ability not to work is either the priviledge of the elite, OR the ultimate alienation and impoverishment of the masses.

CommunityBeliever
2nd July 2009, 11:25
30 hour weeks are far too long... I don't think I could handle working even that long every week.

You could always just get something you like to do as your profession then it will no longer be work it will be something you like to do. I like to develop software and I can get payed for it but I would not consider it work for me :cool:

I think it is boring jobs like working minimum wage at a restaurant that people are really opposed to because you do the same thing everyday. Even if we did create a thirty hour work week here in America all of the hardest jobs are overseas.

Coggeh
2nd July 2009, 14:24
Chavez has brought in the 36 hour working week at no loss of pay for all employees in Venezuala , it shows it can be done. Unemployment after the bill was brought in had dropped and production actually went up .

Though just to state the point that in times of economic crisis of capitalism workers find that their not getting enough hours many working just 20 hours one week , 15 the next and then maybe 48 after that . Its a total joke so we as leftists as Pastradamus stated already must always call not only for a 30 hour working week but demand this is down without any loss of pay .