I'm officially no longer a vegetarian.

[Incendiarism]

After a very disappointing night and one that may sober up my enthusiasm and cause me several points in the self-esteem department, I am now eating canned chicken and crackers. Four years have officially come to nothing, but even worse twenty agonizing years spent in capitalism have ripped my soul asunder and are drawing me closer to booze.

Yeah.

[bellyscratch]

You lose :tt2:

[Bilan]

Sell out. :tt2:

[Pirate Utopian]

Welcome back to normal side of people who eat properly.

I suggest enjoying some spareribs, hamburgers or a juicy steak. Mmmm.... steak.

[F9]

:thumbup1::thumbup1:

[Mujer Libre]

What kind of chicken comes in a can? :confused:

[ZeroNowhere]

Give in to your hunger...

[Pirate Utopian]

I would give up fruit and vegetables a 1000 times before I'd even consider giving up meat.

[Jazzratt]

Canned chicken sounds like a terrifying concept.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Chicken doesn't come in cans, it comes kentucky-fried!

[F9]

Chicken doesn't come in cans, it comes kentucky-fried!

bliah.Anw its a step people, from vegetarian to can chicken(i dont even know whats that but anw:lol:).I suggest some cheeseburger!:tt1:

[Module]

http://www.nycotto.com/butchershop/images/shutterstock_1581179%20pretty%20ribs.jpg
Life gets better from here.

[Invader Zim]

Just remember that your conscience doesn't taste good, the flesh of animals does.

[NecroCommie]

but even worse twenty agonizing years spent in capitalism have ripped my soul asunder and are drawing me closer to booze.

I second that!

[Pawn Power]

What kind of chicken comes in a can? :confused:

It also comes in a box in the form of a biscuit.

https://www.toucandy.com/images/P/0000178400.jpg

[Dóchas]

this thread is making me hungry :(

[#FF0000]

Canned chicken sounds like a terrifying concept.

It is. (http://ihatemymessageboard.com/2009/04/23/a-whole-chicken-in-a-can/)

[Jazzratt]

It is. (http://ihatemymessageboard.com/2009/04/23/a-whole-chicken-in-a-can/)

Repost that in the religion forum, see who believes in a loving god then.

[F9]

Repost that in the religion forum, see who believes in a loving god then.

Take that back!How i would type you this if i wouldnt exist?:sneaky:

[The Accomplice]

Ick! Canned chicken doesn't sound like a good option to me. I sure as hell wouldn't eat anything that's canned.

[More Fire for the People]

Welcome back. I suggest fried chicken.

[Pogue]

Grats on placing your personal preference over another beings life!

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Grats on placing your personal preference over another beings life!

This is why I refuse to clean my house encase I kill some bacteria.

[Bright Banana Beard]

But you killing germ! They have equal life as mammal and virus! What wong wit yu!?

[Pogue]

Bacteria isn't an animal.

[Il Medico]

What kind of chicken comes in a can? :confused:
Yes, canned chicken?:confused:

I suggest you go out and get a nice steak.

[Jazzratt]

Ick! Canned chicken doesn't sound like a good option to me. I sure as hell wouldn't eat anything that's canned.

Why the hell not? Canning food preserves it very well and there are a variety of quick and simple things that are canned (a good example being beans). Are you seriously saying that you don't use canned tomatos?

[Pogue]

I however, like to cause the death of another being simply because I like the taste of its body :sneaky:

I can justify this position by going '"MHMHMZ BUT IT TASTES GUD LOLZ VEGETARIANZ"

[Jazzratt]

I however, like to cause the death of another being simply because I like the taste of its body :sneaky:

I couldn't possibly hurt one of those poor widdle subsapients!


I can justify this position by going '"MHMHMZ BUT IT TASTES GUD LOLZ VEGETARIANZ"

But what about that unnasailble counter "BUT DEY LOOKZ SO CUTE! SHAME ON U MEAT EATERZ!"

[Pogue]

I couldn't possibly hurt one of those poor widdle subsapients!



But what about that unnasailble counter "BUT DEY LOOKZ SO CUTE! SHAME ON U MEAT EATERZ!"

Haha, well I was referring to how overwhelmingly the only response I get on the vegetarian argument is people saying 'It tastes good' before provactively going off on one about how much they like meat, usually just to wind me up. But I'm sure you'll do better.

For me its more to do with the fact that if I was a meat eater, I'd be willing to kill an animal, something that can experience fear, pain, pleasure, etc, just because I'd rather eat it than say, a vegetarian meat substitute. To me, such a position is always a selfish choice, as you are causing discomfort to another being for the purposes of your own pleasure, similar to how fox hunters (before the ban, and those who do it illegally now) like to kill foxes for their own pleasure.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Bacteria isn't an animal.

It has life though. So I have build a shrine in my attic to the "unknown germ" (RIP little dude) .

[Jazzratt]

Haha, well I was referring to how overwhelmingly the only response I get on the vegetarian argument is people saying 'It tastes good' before provactively going off on one about how much they like meat, usually just to wind me up. But I'm sure you'll do better.

Seriously? Have you read the poll in S&E?


For me its more to do with the fact that if I was a meat eater, I'd be willing to kill an animal, something that can experience fear, pain, pleasure, etc, just because I'd rather eat it than say, a vegetarian meat substitute. To me, such a position is always a selfish choice, as you are causing discomfort to another being for the purposes of your own pleasure, similar to how fox hunters (before the ban, and those who do it illegally now) like to kill foxes for their own pleasure.

I don't see, though, why the ability to experience fear, pain or whatever is a logical cut off. In fairness I don't see why sapience is either but I am more willing to avoid harming an extelligent creature than an intelligent one.

[Pogue]

It has life though. So I have build a shrine in my attic to the "unknown germ" (RIP little dude) .

Still, its not defined as an actual sentient being.

[Lord Testicles]

Grats on placing your personal preference over another beings life!

Why is another brings life more important than my personal preference?

[Pogue]

Seriously? Have you read the poll in S&E?


Not for a long time.


I don't see, though, why the ability to experience fear, pain or whatever is a logical cut off. In fairness I don't see why sapience is either but I am more willing to avoid harming an extelligent creature than an intelligent one.


Why is another brings life more important than my personal preference?

Well in answer to both of these, its essentially down to feelings of social solidarity. Its the same answer as to the question of why I don't like seeing anyone innocent suffer unnecesarily. We've identified that animals feel pain, fear and pleasure, and to produce fear and pain and take away pleasure unnecesarily to me is ethically wrong, because it putting something else in a position of discomfort for the sole reason of satisfying one's desire to consume its flesh when this is not neccesary.

[Incendiarism]

Well HLVS, I never cared much about animal rights. Yes it's a sad and terrible thing, but to prioritize it in any way is to trivialize humanity's problems and sufferings. I may have cared about it initially, but as time went on I shook off all the emotional posturing because it just didn't work for me nor was in any way convincing to others.

Anyways, yeah, it was canned chicken bits. I didn't eat the whole thing, I just didn't feel like cooking.

[BobKKKindle$]

Incidentally, HLVS, are you a vegan, or just a regular veggie? It seems that in order to remain consistent with your argument that we shouldn't harm other living beings unnecessarily, it wouldn't be sufficient to not eat meat - you would also have to not eat animal-related goods like milk and eggs, because the production of those goods also involves animals being made to feel pain and not having a comfortable existence, and eating those goods is not really necessary either, insofar as eating meat isn't necessary.

Anyway, congrats to the OP, and fuck animal rights.

[Pogue]

Well HLVS, I never cared much about animal rights. Yes it's a sad and terrible thing, but to prioritize it in any way is to trivialize humanity's problems and sufferings. I may have cared about it initially, but as time went on I shook off all the emotional posturing because it just didn't work for me nor was in any way convincing to others.


I don't think thats really much of an argument though Incediarism. I don't prioritise it, vegetarianism is something I do in a personal capacity and encourage others to do to. I'm not active in the 'vegertarian movement' at the expense of my involvement in libertarian communist politics, maybe it'd become my project once capitalism and the state has been destroyed :D

I don't think it trivilizes humanities sufferings, because not eating meat is in no way detrimental to humanity.

I'm aware that the 'emotional posturing' (although I wouldn't call it that, I'd say its more about appealing to people's humane side) doesn't appeal to people, but I think its worth a try anyway, alot of things that are right or worng are not accepted as such by most of humanity. I also think its hypocritical that most people would shy away from actually having to kill the animal directly themselves, because I think they recognise then how horrific it would be, and prefer to stay detached from the reality of where there lamb shanks came from (i.e. a young mammal was killed and cut up for it.)

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

I'm not active in the 'vegertarian movement' at the expense of my involvement in libertarian communist politics, maybe it'd become my project once capitalism and the state has been destroyed :D



The moment we achieve communism I am going to throw rocks at you.

[Il Medico]

Don't want to kill anything that is alive, just because it taste good? Then enjoy this tasty rock!:laugh:

[Pogue]

Incidentally, HLVS, are you a vegan, or just a regular veggie? It seems that in order to remain consistent with your argument that we shouldn't harm other living beings unnecessarily, it wouldn't be sufficient to not eat meat - you would also have to not eat animal-related goods like milk and eggs, because the production of those goods also involves animals being made to feel pain and not having a comfortable existence, and eating those goods is not really necessary either, insofar as eating meat isn't necessary.

I'm not a vegan, but I do get my eggs free range, often from people I actually know (mainly because this is convenient, a friend who lives locally keeps chickens solely for eggs).

It's very hard to keep a cow in any wya other than free-range so its not much of an issue.

I have no problem with eating eggs and milk as long as the animals are treated humanely in gaining such products, hence I am opposed to factory farming, and any other such treatments. The vegan position does not make sense to me, I'd like to see animals treated humanely and used ot acquire milk and eggs rather than killing them for their flesh. The second use is also very unproductive.


Anyway, congrats to the OP, and fuck animal rights.

This tends to be the main position I come up against, i.e. the 'I don't give a shit either way so fuck it' position. It seems to please meat eaters as an argument which to me just furthers my belief that they don't actually want to think about the death of the animal and the justification for it too much because such a justification does not exist. As I said I think most people would act differently if they, say, had to actually kill a lamb.

[Jazzratt]

Well in answer to both of these, its essentially down to feelings of social solidarity. Its the same answer as to the question of why I don't like seeing anyone innocent suffer unnecesarily.

I still don't fully understand. I only feel social solidarity with my species because 1) I can meaningfully interpret their communication and 2) they are extelligent.

[Pogue]

I still don't fully understand. I only feel social solidarity with my species because 1) I can meaningfully interpret their communication and 2) they are extelligent.

Well this is essentially the difference between you and me, I suppose. Our attitudes towards it. When I see a calf back away in fear from a human going near it, I recognise this as the emotion of fear being expressed, as it is similar to how I experience it. I recognise this isn't a nice emotion, as I have felt it myself, and so I don't wish to force the animal to feel this emotion purely because I like the taste of beef. I recognise there are easy, cheap and tasty alternatives which don't require an animal to have suffered for me to get them. Similar how a calf will express pleasure at being stroked, in contrast to the distressed behaviour you see them exhibit when you stab them with a knife, when they are injured, etc.

[Jazzratt]

Don't want to kill anything that is alive, just because it taste good? Then enjoy this tasty rock!:laugh:

Oh come on. He said he didn't want to harm or kill anything that felt fear, pain, pleasure etc. Be fair.

H-L-V-S


Well this is essentially the difference between you and me, I suppose.

Quite.

[Lord Testicles]

I also think its hypocritical that most people would shy away from actually having to kill the animal directly themselves, because I think they recognise then how horrific it would be, and prefer to stay detached from the reality of where there lamb shanks came from (i.e. a young mammal was killed and cut up for it.)

I don't think that is necesseraly true. For a long time the majority of humanity had to kill their own animals to survive, and if most people knew what to do and had no other way of getting meat, I think they would kill and butcher their own animals. Of course this is all speculation, but I know that if I was jonesing for some bacon and I had to kill a pig, I would strangle it with my bare hands if needs be.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Pork crackling :tt1:

[GPDP]

Oh god, I think I hear the voices of a million vegans crying in unison. Must mean Vanguard1917 is on his way to this thread.

Anyway, vegetarianism just ain't for me. Though some veggie-friendly food ain't half bad. My cousin occasionally gets some vegan buffalo wings that are absolutely delicious.

[Pogue]

I don't think that is necesseraly true, for a long time the majority of humanity had to kill their own animals to survive, and I think if most people knew what to do and had no other way of getting meat I think they would kill and butcher their own animals. Of course this is all speculation, but I know that if I was jonesing for some bacon and I had to kill a pig, I would strangle it with my bare hands if needs be.

There is an important difference between having to kill and eat animals and wanting too. I highly doubt that you personally actually have to eat meat, as if there is no other choice. I doubt this is the case for many people in the world - contrary to arguments used against vegetarianism, the poorest of the poor can scarceley afford meat and if they have animals they use them for milk, eggs, cheese, etc.

Do you honestly then say that if you were all out of bacon, you'd kill a pig with your bare hands to get it? I highly doubt this, I don't think most people have what it takes to actually have to kill the animal themselves.

[Lord Testicles]

There is an important difference between having to kill and eat animals and wanting too. I highly doubt that you personally actually have to eat meat, as if there is no other choice. I doubt this is the case for many people in the world - contrary to arguments used against vegetarianism, the poorest of the poor can scarceley afford meat and if they have animals they use them for milk, eggs, cheese, etc.

I know, but that isn't what I was trying to say. What I typed was:


if most people knew what to do and had no other way of getting meat, I think they would kill and butcher their own animals.I was assuming you were talking about your average person in a 1st world country when you said that you found it hypocritical that most people would shy away from having to kill the animal.


Do you honestly then say that if you were all out of bacon, you'd kill a pig with your bare hands to get it? I highly doubt this, I don't think most people have what it takes to actually have to kill the animal themselves.

I was half serious, there are quicker ways of killing a pig and if I didn't even possess a knife to kill it, how would I be expected to carve it up to get my cuts of bacon? Also, I was a vegeterian for 17 years before you think that I'm just another meat eater that "doesn't actually want to think about the death of the animal and the justification for it".

[Bright Banana Beard]

heh, I even killed a chicken and a pig.

[bcbm]

Must... resist... urge... to... argue...

[black magick hustla]

political vegetarianism is for westerners

[black magick hustla]

that was kindof a troll but is so true man. ive never met "conscious vegetarians" until i moved to the states. the only vegs i know about are either kindof there cuz they cant afford meat or because they are hindi

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The vegan position does not make sense to me, I'd like to see animals treated humanely and used ot acquire milk and eggs rather than killing them for their flesh. The second use is also very unproductive.

Hardly. There are very few parts of an animal that cannot be put to use.


putting something else in a position of discomfort for the sole reason of satisfying one's desire to consume its flesh when this is not neccesary.A properly slaughtered animal feels very little pain, I assure you.


I also think its hypocritical that most people would shy away from actually having to kill the animal directly themselves, because I think they recognise then how horrific it would be, and prefer to stay detached from the reality of where there lamb shanks came from (i.e. a young mammal was killed and cut up for it.)In cases like this the only way to find out is to try it out. Unfortunately I live in an urban area, so slaughtering my own meat is out of the question. It would be against Health & Safety legislation. Also, it would probably make a mess of my bathroom.


I highly doubt that you personally actually have to eat meat, as if there is no other choice.Oh sure, I could eat beans instead, but meat is tasty enough in comparison that I'm willing to shell out a little extra dosh for a hearty meal.

[Klute77]

I haven't eaten meat in over 21 years. For me being vegetarian is a very personal choice and not one that I feel the desire or need to foist onto others.

In my experiance the best way to speak to people about Vegetarianism and Veganism is to let them approch you about it, that and to cook them some delicious veggie food as most conventional, works canteen vegetarian dishes are bland and stodgy which gives veggie cuisine a reputation for being tasteless.

[More Fire for the People]

I think vegetarian food is delicious but I still like meat dishes.

[gorillafuck]

I sure as hell wouldn't eat anything that's canned.
Canned chili is my life.

As for the vegetarian thing, I'm a vegetarian that doesn't think anything is wrong with eating meat. I just don't eat it.

[Il Medico]

Canned chili is my life.

As for the vegetarian thing, I'm a vegetarian that doesn't think anything is wrong with eating meat. I just don't eat it.
Isn't there meat in Chili?

[Mujer Libre]

Why the hell not? Canning food preserves it very well and there are a variety of quick and simple things that are canned (a good example being beans). Are you seriously saying that you don't use canned tomatos?
Ah yes, canned beans and tomatoes- the basis of many a delicious, cheap meal .:D


because they are hindi
...
Hindi is a language. Hindu is a religion. Indian is a nationality. Why on earth are people not capable of distinguishing between those things? (admittedly, this may be a typo because the U and I are next to each other- so sorry if it is. This is just something that I hear a LOT of, and it shits me no end.

[al8]

As I said I think most people would act differently if they, say, had to actually kill a lamb.

Not the case here in Iceland. We basically live of this stuff. I do at least and I would consider it a priviledge to be able kill my own lamb sometime or a full grown sheep for that matter. Maybe people are to influanced by idealized lambs like Bambi, that has appeared in movies as well as toiletpaper commercials, where your live.

My main position on this matter of meat is that we live in a human society not an all-animal one, other animals would not be able to reciprocate in the same manner humans reciprocate in their social interaction that make up society. It's therefore a mistake to humanize the beasts.

[gorillafuck]

Isn't there meat in Chili?
Not vegetarian chili.


Why the hell not? Canning food preserves it very well and there are a variety of quick and simple things that are canned (a good example being beans). Are you seriously saying that you don't use canned tomatos?
Canned beans are great, especially refried beans.

[hugsandmarxism]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Muvz6OnY4O8&feature=PlayList&p=D84BB3540FE23B87&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=58

[black magick hustla]

Ah yes, canned beans and tomatoes- the basis of many a delicious, cheap meal .:D


...
Hindi is a language. Hindu is a religion. Indian is a nationality. Why on earth are people not capable of distinguishing between those things? (admittedly, this may be a typo because the U and I are next to each other- so sorry if it is. This is just something that I hear a LOT of, and it shits me no end.

Well you gotta admit that hindu and hindi sound very similar, especially with someone who isn't that acquainted with indian culture in the first place.

[Revy]

I am a vegan, been one for six years. After six years of being vegan, the thought of eating any animal product disgusts me. Partly for ethical reasons, but also because it just plain disgusts me. Obviously, I haven't tasted it in years but the smell is enough to gross me out.

All my vegan food tastes delicious. I guess it is relative. When you switch, it is not as hard as you might think it is. Some people find it harder than others. I did not find it hard at all.

[Bilan]

Not the case here in Iceland. We basically live of this stuff. I do at least and I would consider it a priviledge to be able kill my own lamb sometime or a full grown sheep for that matter. Maybe people are to influanced by idealized lambs like Bambi, that has appeared in movies as well as toiletpaper commercials, where your live.

Bambi:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/columnists/jimbaumbach/blog/Bambi.jpg


hehehe

[Il Medico]

Bambi:

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/columnists/jimbaumbach/blog/Bambi.jpg


hehehe
Looks tasty! :D

[Bright Banana Beard]

Looks tasty! :D
I would share it equally with you!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The meat of young animals may be tender and tasty, but if you're hunting deer I don't think you should make a habit of shooting the really young ones, I hear it can fuck up the breeding a bit.

[Il Medico]

Well, that's good. I usually only eat the deer that run in front of my car! :D
That would be bad for breeding if they lived, the animal equivalent of Stormfront would emerge!

[R_P_A_S]

Welcome back to normal side of people who eat properly.

I suggest enjoying some spareribs, hamburgers or a juicy steak. Mmmm.... steak.

hahaha i hope this is meant as a joke. Or have you too been brainwash to believe that healthy eating is a "bourgeoisie"?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

hahaha i hope this is meant as a joke. Or have you too been brainwash to believe that healthy eating is a "bourgeoisie"?

What is this Earth thing you call "health-y eat-ing"?

[R_P_A_S]

I am a vegan, been one for six years. After six years of being vegan, the thought of eating any animal product disgusts me. Partly for ethical reasons, but also because it just plain disgusts me. Obviously, I haven't tasted it in years but the smell is enough to gross me out.

All my vegan food tastes delicious. I guess it is relative. When you switch, it is not as hard as you might think it is. Some people find it harder than others. I did not find it hard at all.

I been vegan for 7 months! I did it for economical reasons. people claim it cost more money... I don't think so. People are just fucking lazy to cook

[R_P_A_S]

What is this Earth thing you call "health-y eat-ing"?

the simple fact that when you eat a plant based diet its healthier. look Im not here to fight for animal rights or "ethical shit". I love my vegan diet. you do whatever you want to do. eat whatever you love. enjoy!

[Il Medico]

I been vegan for 7 months! I did it for economical reasons. people claim it cost more money... I don't think so. People are just fucking lazy to cook
I cook a lot, but I cook meat! People don't eat meat because they are lazy. :tt2:

[R_P_A_S]

I cook a lot, but I cook meat! People don't eat meat because they are lazy. :tt2:

when you are a vegan you can't just eat anything or throw anything in a microwave. It's not that simple. it forces you to plan better. thats what I meant. Lots of people I've come across think that In order for me to have a "hearty" meal I have to eat a lots of fake meat or get take out from the over priced vegan restaurants. all i have to do is just plan my days better.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

the simple fact that when you eat a plant based diet its healthier.

A Deadly Nightshade salad with scraps of Destroying Angel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroying_angel) mushroom tossed in for seasoning doesn't sound very healthy.


I love my vegan diet.But... how? What is there to love?

[Bilan]

Being vegan isn't as bad as you'd think. A lot of the food is actually really nice, and home made food is even better.
Sure, meat dishes are also nice. But so are vegan ones.
Vegan burritos, for example, are amazing.

[Verix]

ever read the book, the jungle? read it and you will never again eat canned meat...i was a vegatarian for like 3 months after reading it

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

ever read the book, the jungle? read it and you will never again eat canned meat...i was a vegatarian for like 3 months after reading it

There is nothing that I can possibly think of that could get into a tin of meat that would discourage me from eating its contents. Personal experience also bears out this attitude quite nicely - I've yet to open a can of meat and find something that shouldn't be there.

So as far as I'm concerned, tinned meat is just another cheap source of tasty protein and fat.

[Invader Zim]

There is nothing that I can possibly think of that could get into a tin of meat that would discourage me from eating its contents.

What about cat food?

[Pirate Utopian]

hahaha i hope this is meant as a joke. Or have you too been brainwash to believe that healthy eating is a "bourgeoisie"?
Wut? no, veggies just taste like crap.

[LeninBalls]

But... how? What is there to love?

Those scrumptious red apples, mangoes and juicy kiwis for a snack, fried noodles filled with tofu covered in chili sauce, piping hot veggie soup with some phat ass bread and a nice big bottle of water, all without the guilt of eating a dead intelligent form of life!

[Bilan]

Morality doesn't change the flavours.

Noxion, try some vegan burritos.

[Fietsketting]

.

Anyway, congrats to the OP, and fuck animal rights.


Your such a fine example of a trotskyst.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What about cat food?

Obviously you've never been truly hungry.


Those scrumptious red apples, mangoes and juicy kiwis for a snack, fried noodles filled with tofu covered in chili sauce, piping hot veggie soup with some phat ass bread and a nice big bottle of water, all without the guilt of eating a dead intelligent form of life!

Fruit's good, but for some reason I never get round to buying any. The money seems to go instead on pizzas and kebabs and footlong Subway sandwiches.

Do I need a wok to fry noodles? Will a normal frying pan do? (I must remember to save the bacon fat/drippings that's currently congealed in it, 'tis awesome stuff) Is tofu expensive?

Vegetable soup? I would consider that more of a snack or a starter than a main meal.


Noxion, try some vegan burritos.

What's in them that's not in a meaty one?

[Bilan]

Different flavours, and tastes. You put more effort into making it taste delicious. ^-^

[LeninBalls]

Fruit's good, but for some reason I never get round to buying any. The money seems to go instead on pizzas and kebabs and footlong Subway sandwiches.

I used to as well, and when I stopped and bought fruit for snacks instead I realized how much money I was saving!


Do I need a wok to fry noodles? Will a normal frying pan do? (I must remember to save the bacon fat/drippings that's currently congealed in it, 'tis awesome stuff) Is tofu expensive?

I just use a normal frying pan with some oil, throw some chilli sauce over it while it cooks and in a few minutes it's done. Tofu is really cheap (at least where I live), but I wouldn't really recommend it to a meat eater, since it's used as a substitute for protein packed meat.


Vegetable soup? I would consider that more of a snack or a starter than a main meal.

It is, I usually have it for a midnight meal or something, to me it's tastier and healthier then throwing on a Big Al's burger at 10pm.

[Kyrite]

I'm not a vegan, but I do get my eggs free range, often from people I actually know (mainly because this is convenient, a friend who lives locally keeps chickens solely for eggs).

I am a vegan in the sense that i won't consume an item of food that has been gained through the inhumane exploitation of animals. So i don’t eat any eggs or dairy in England because of the treatment the animals undergo, but if i was in let’s say India, i would happily drink milk that has come from a local cow due to the amount of respect cows are treated with in nearly all of India.
(My first post :thumbup:)

[Jazzratt]

I love the implied assumption a lot of vegetarians and vegans make that eating meat somehow makes it impossible to eat vegetarian or vegan food. I probably have meat in relatively few of my meals.

[LeninBalls]

I love the implied assumption a lot of vegetarians and vegans make that eating meat somehow makes it impossible to eat vegetarian or vegan food. I probably have meat in relatively few of my meals.

True, but from what I've seen, every meat eater (that I know) is much less likely to eat good food. Like my friends, will buy a burger rather than an apple and some french bread for a snack in town. Or my dad, who'd never eat some salad and peppers when he's got a nice fat steak and some chips.

[Bright Banana Beard]

Iceland depends on meat as their soil is not good for farming. The prejudice ideas that vegetable can in everywhere and in all society is ludicrous. This will still happens under communism as they will depends vegetable from the other source as the weather isnt viable for it.

[Jazzratt]

True, but from what I've seen, every meat eater (that I know) is much less likely to eat good food. Like my friends, will buy a burger rather than an apple and some french bread for a snack in town. Or my dad, who'd never eat some salad and peppers when he's got a nice fat steak and some chips.

"Nice" is an incredibly subjective thing though. I like apples but I find burgers more filling and they contain far more fats (both saturate and monounsaturate), salts and protiens than french bread. It's probably not advisable to have one as a snack, but they can be an acceptable (and delicious) part of a diet.

[Il Medico]

I hate to endorse a capitalist food chain, but if your looking for a burger, there is no place better the 5 Guys. They also give you like an entire bag of fries, bit pricey though.

[The Accomplice]

Why the hell not? Canning food preserves it very well and there are a variety of quick and simple things that are canned (a good example being beans). Are you seriously saying that you don't use canned tomatos?

They do preserve well, but they tend to be really high in salt, which isn't good if you want to maintain healthy blood pressure levels. It's probably not wise to eat them frequently.

That's just me though. I don't eat canned anything.

[redguard2009]

Vegetarianism is fucking unnatural. Period. Human beings are only human beings because we crawled our asses down from those stupid fruit-filled trees and started clubbing shit over the head and eating it. I saw this documentary thing once where they were saying that the energy requirements for developing the human brain in all its intricacy is only possible because our predecessors became omnivorous and started eating the fuel-rich flesh of other animals.

Humans are omnivores. Accept it. if you're not, you're not a human. You're something nefariously worse.

[Klute77]

Vegetarianism is fucking unnatural. Period. Human beings are only human beings because we crawled our asses down from those stupid fruit-filled trees and started clubbing shit over the head and eating it. I saw this documentary thing once where they were saying that the energy requirements for developing the human brain in all its intricacy is only possible because our predecessors became omnivorous and started eating the fuel-rich flesh of other animals.

Humans are omnivores. Accept it. if you're not, you're not a human. You're something nefariously worse.



Many things that humans do could be deemed unnatural, we humans have a self awareness that is not frequently reflected in the natural world. We have a choice. By your argument we should all live as we did in primative times as our modern culture and it's attending technologies are all unnatural.

[bricolage]

I don't really understand how arguments such as this develop into arguments over taste when these are completely detached from the actual arguments at stake. It's not about whether it benefits your life or not but whether it comparatively benefits of harms the life of another and ultimately you are going to have to make sacrifices in this respect. This is much the same way that those of a higher standing in capitalist society would have to make sacrifices in an post-capitalist world; would you accept their refusal of this as it 'tastes better', eg. they gain more from, the exploitation of those below them?

[al8]

When I refered to toilet paper commercials I had more Lambi in mind than Bambi. To avoid confusion here is what I'm refering to;

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[R_P_A_S]

Wut? no, veggies just taste like crap.

You just reminded me of my friend. She was here the other day and I started to cook some pan fred veggies, tempeh and rice, when all of the sudden she goes.. "that smells so delicious can I have some?

Soon as she noticed there was no meat in there she said, "oh no thanks I kinda want a full meal" LMAO!

whatever.

[Invincible Summer]

You just reminded me of my friend. She was here the other day and I started to cook some pan fred veggies, tempeh and rice, when all of the sudden she goes.. "that smells so delicious can I have some?

Soon as she noticed there was no meat in there she said, "oh no thanks I kinda want a full meal" LMAO!

whatever.

Tempeh = fuck yes

Same thing happened to me once - my gf and I are vegetarians, and we were cooking dinner w/ tofu and stuff. Her friend came over and was like "Ohhhh it smells so good let me have some!" I don't think she realized there was no meat (she constantly "forgets" we're veg) and when we gave it to her, she was like "Ohh...." then she picked at it and said it was "Too much for her to eat" when she didn't even touch it.

[Pirate Utopian]

You just reminded me of my friend. She was here the other day and I started to cook some pan fred veggies, tempeh and rice, when all of the sudden she goes.. "that smells so delicious can I have some?

Soon as she noticed there was no meat in there she said, "oh no thanks I kinda want a full meal" LMAO!

whatever.
Dont worry I dont make that mistake.

My little sister was a vegetarian for a few days, but thankfully she dropped it before I had to sever all my ties with her to be sure I would not be asociated with some tofumunching hippie.
13 year olds...

[GatesofLenin]

this thread is making me hungry :(
It's called food-pr0n! :laugh:

[Искра]

http://recepti.bosnablog.com/files/2007/04/cevapi.jpg

I broke up with being veggie because of this....... ĆEVAPI, ONION and BREAD!

[red cat]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Dog_meat.jpg


http://thepauperedchef.com/images/2008/11/cibreocaffe02.jpg



http://www.lifeofguangzhou.com/node_10/node_37/node_85/img/2007/11/06/119431385229750_1.jpg


http://www.coloursrun.com/misc/articles/foods/balut-3.jpg


http://www.fotobank.ru/img/SF14-3328.jpg?size=l

You might try these for a change...

:D

[Искра]

Nah, I wouldn't eat that. Maybe snake or cat...
I eat brain once... it wasn't something.

[Coinneach]

I'm officially no longer a vegetarian.


Good. :D

[R_P_A_S]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Dog_meat.jpg


http://thepauperedchef.com/images/2008/11/cibreocaffe02.jpg



http://www.lifeofguangzhou.com/node_10/node_37/node_85/img/2007/11/06/119431385229750_1.jpg


http://www.coloursrun.com/misc/articles/foods/balut-3.jpg


http://www.fotobank.ru/img/SF14-3328.jpg?size=l

You might try these for a change...

:D

my dad would have a FEAST. haha

[R_P_A_S]

I think it's hilarious how some people have this vegetarian-phobia. It's ridiculous is just food. You either dont wanna stop eating meat or you make a choice to stop. Whatever your reasons are good. who gives a fuck. don't defended like they are attacking your entire being.