Minutemen murder young girl, father

[Incendiarism]

http://www.kvoa.com/global/story.asp?s=10526106

Here is Shawna Ford's page from the Minutemen website, which reads:


After they cross the border they are taking over area's of our cities, neighborhoods, schools with their way of life witch is:

1 Corruption
2 Lie's
3 Drug dealing
4 welfare fraud
5 stealing
6 Filthiness
7 Gang code of ethics
8 violence
9 no respect for existing Americans
10 Hate

I could continue this list I have seen first hand and have been getting to know people in the Hispanic community so that when they say we should respect the plight of these pour people do not be fooled for one moment they think we are weak and stupid plus we don't speak their language so they operate their own life styles under the radar.

I would say 90% of all patrons here are illegal some just got here yesterday These are not proud people they are nothing more then thugs.

[Il Medico]

Fucking disgusting. It is people like them who we should deport, not hard working immigrants like the victims. :cursing:

[Revy]

disgusting.:cursing::(

smash fascism!

[Rusty Shackleford]

Fucking thugs, these organizations should be dismantled. Screw border control.

Apparently they did this for money, and to get that money they shoot a 9 year old, so with that money they could continue doing this? Apparently the family was potentially involved in narcotics, which is probably because its a potential for money. Perfect reason to get rid of money, less trafficking(which under the current system precipitates crime, and racial disunity), and less homicide.

[Girl A]

This makes me feel sick.

[DecDoom]

:(

That just about sums it up. Ugh...

[GPDP]

These people are not worth the air they suck in.

[Jazzratt]

What a hero. And by hero I mean sack of sputum.

[AntifaAustralia]

disgusting.:cursing::(

smash fascism!

Fucking right there. DEATH TO IGNORANCE! death to empathy lacking criminal crooks that believe in RACE SUPREMACY.

So they wanna be predatory animals, and violate human rights, then we shall should treat them like predatory animals. Hunt them down.

[Black Dagger]

Fucking right there. DEATH TO IGNORANCE! death to empathy lacking criminal crooks that believe in RACE SUPREMACY.

So they wanna be predatory animals, and violate human rights, then we shall should treat them like predatory animals. Hunt them down.

:confused: You decry the inhumanity of one persons actions whilst at the same time calling for their inhumane punishment? Slogans like 'death to ignorance' are empty, vague and make a fetish of violence - there is no justification for 'hunting' down people, that's just callous.

[hugsandmarxism]

Well that was infuriating.

[Chambered Word]

:confused: You decry the inhumanity of one persons actions whilst at the same time calling for their inhumane punishment? Slogans like 'death to ignorance' are empty, vague and make a fetish of violence - there is no justification for 'hunting' down people, that's just callous.

In my opinion it's a matter of letting innocent people die at the hands of these subhumans or making examples of them and saving innocent people's lives. I know which I'd choose.

[AntifaAustralia]

:confused: You decry the inhumanity of one persons actions whilst at the same time calling for their inhumane punishment? Slogans like 'death to ignorance' are empty, vague and make a fetish of violence - there is no justification for 'hunting' down people, that's just callous.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Comrade Lewis knew what i meant, right?.

Death to the disease of ignorance, the thought process, not human death. How people plan to do this is by education, protest, art, etc.

And hunt them down meaning, hunt them down to punish them under the laws of the USA. Law being the moral code, the moral code that is a base of all left wing politics (and part of right wing politics to a lesser extent)

I must apologise for my previous post, not just was my unexplained anger filled with a fetish of violence but homicidal rage.

I hope what i said clarifies my meaning.

[Bilan]

In my opinion it's a matter of letting innocent people die at the hands of these subhumans or making examples of them and saving innocent people's lives. I know which I'd choose.

You seem to speak in such a similar manner as these "subhumans".
For the record, they're not 'subhuman'. That is just ridiculous.

[Bilan]

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Comrade Lewis knew what i meant, right?.

I sincerely hope not.



And hunt them down meaning, hunt them down to punish them under the laws of the USA. Law being the moral code, the moral code that is a base of all left wing politics (and part of right wing politics to a lesser extent)You want to use the bourgeois political system to "smash" reactionaries, therefore legitimizing both the Capitalist state and systematic political oppression by the state?
Moral codes are not the basis of Left Wing politics either, at least, not the brand you will find on this site (i.e. Marxist, and anarchist, etc). And I hardly regard those who do view their morality as universal and definite as "left wing" anyhow.
And furthermore, "laws" are not "moral codes", nor are they based upon moral codes.

[ls]

That is sickening, those scumbags.

[Trystan]

. . . with their way of life witch is: . . .


I could continue this list I have seen first hand and have been getting to know people in the Hispanic community so that when they say we should respect the plight of these pour people do not be fooled for one moment they think we are weak and stupid plus we don't speak their language so they operate their own life styles under the radar.



Oh boy, the irony.

Sounds like he doesn't speak any language but his own.

[AntifaAustralia]

I sincerely hope not.

You want to use the bourgeois political system to "smash" reactionaries, therefore legitimizing both the Capitalist state and systematic political oppression by the state?
Moral codes are not the basis of Left Wing politics either, at least, not the brand you will find on this site (i.e. Marxist, and anarchist, etc). And I hardly regard those who do view their morality as universal and definite as "left wing" anyhow.
And furthermore, "laws" are not "moral codes", nor are they based upon moral codes.


I knew i would infuriate the anrachist.

yes, my definition of law was a bit simple back there. law is influenced by culture, religion, power of the elite (good or bad), ethics... and all this stuff varies nation to nation, culture to culture.

it seems we are straying from our main point here, the latino-killing nazi murderers. What happened to these guys? 1st degree murder, wow, sounds like life for all of em. Hope they have fun in prison.

As they say, "i'd rather die than live in this living hell"

[Misanthrope]

Murdered for crossing an artificial entity.. What is wrong with humans?

[#FF0000]

If I remember correctly, there have been a lot of killings like this in the american southwest. People usually assume it's gang violence, but this really makes me wonder...

[AngelCity Neo-Stalinist]

You decry the inhumanity of one persons actions whilst at the same time calling for their inhumane punishment? Slogans like 'death to ignorance' are empty, vague and make a fetish of violence - there is no justification for 'hunting' down people, that's just callous.

Your bleeding heart i love everybody pacifist bullshit is ineffective and disgusting. These people are sick freaks, the complete scum of the earth, and your saying that they dont deserve punishment? People like this should not be "hunted down", they should be promptly eliminated.

[#FF0000]

Your bleeding heart i love everybody pacifist bullshit is ineffective and disgusting. These people are sick freaks, the complete scum of the earth, and your saying that they dont deserve punishment? People like this should not be "hunted down", they should be promptly eliminated.

Yeah because mob-justice is always the most effective, just, even-handed form of justice there is, right?

Jesus, you fucking people.

[AngelCity Neo-Stalinist]

I didn't mean mob justice, but what do you propose? I say just give them the death penalty if they're proven guilty and illegalize their organizations. Sure it may deny them the right to free speech but there will always be those who resist the order of total equality- it's not called the dicatorship of the proletariat for nothing. Besides, if we get rid of the expression of inequality, it will help to fetter it's continued existance as it will be more difficult to conceptualize the notion.

[#FF0000]

I didn't mean mob justice, but what do you propose? I say just give them the death penalty if they're proven guilty and illegalize their organizations. Sure it may deny them the right to free speech but there will always be those who resist the order of total equality- it's not called the dicatorship of the proletariat for nothing. Besides, if we get rid of the expression of inequality, it will help to fetter it's continued existance as it will be more difficult to conceptualize the notion.

Put them in jail forever. It's cheaper and you won't ever risk the chance of killing an innocent person.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Your bleeding heart i love everybody pacifist bullshit is ineffective and disgusting. These people are sick freaks, the complete scum of the earth, and your saying that they dont deserve punishment? People like this should not be "hunted down", they should be promptly eliminated.

Not as ineffective as 'prompt elimination' would be. That's about as reckless and ineffective (well if you view wanton killing as effective then, i guess it is) as you can get when dealing with criminal law and order.

These people are sick freaks, yes, they are reactionary pricks. However it isn't a reasonable solution to simply proclaim that we should kill them without any consideration, that's just mad. If you want to know what I propose, I simply don't know and I doubt such things should be done in any other way besides a case-by-case basis. That would certainly be more reasonable then "eliminating them".

Oh and I almost forgot. Don't attack other members with ad-hominem nonsense and try actually discuss in a meaningful way.

[Black Dagger]

In my opinion it's a matter of letting innocent people die at the hands of these subhumans or making examples of them and saving innocent people's lives. I know which I'd choose.

'Subhumans'? :confused: That sounds like Minutemen rhetoric.


Death to the disease of ignorance, the thought process, not human death. How people plan to do this is by education, protest, art, etc.

Okay, either way it's a pretty 'dramatic' newspeak-kinda slogan, meh.


Law being the moral code, the moral code that is a base of all left wing politics (and part of right wing politics to a lesser extent)

What is 'the moral code'?


Your bleeding heart i love everybody pacifist bullshit is ineffective and disgusting. These people are sick freaks, the complete scum of the earth, and your saying that they dont deserve punishment? People like this should not be "hunted down", they should be promptly eliminated.

I wasn't suggesting that I or 'we' should 'love everybody', nor was i advocating 'pacifism'. All i'm saying is if you're gonna 'punish' someone for their brutal inhumanity to others then perhaps brutalising them in return sends the wrong message?

Is it not their vile treatment and low regard of other human beings that we oppose?

So why are we hunting people like animals again?

I'm not sure i could count as 'comrades' someone who enjoys hunting down and brutalising other human beings, much less one who regards summary execution as 'justice'.

What you're suggesting is an extremely archaic, 'eye-for-an-eye' type system of 'mob rule' that has no place in a free society. You conflate community justice with vigilante 'justice'.

[Bilan]

I knew i would infuriate the anrachist.

I'm not an anarchist.



yes, my definition of law was a bit simple back there. law is influenced by culture, religion, power of the elite (good or bad), ethics... and all this stuff varies nation to nation, culture to culture.

Well, there's much more to it, things that are more central to it, but eh.

[Comrade Blaze]

This is horrifyingly disgusting,
I just cant understand how people can still think like this :sneaky:

Comrade Blaze

[AngelCity Neo-Stalinist]

What is 'the moral code'?[/QUOTE]


I did not post that

[Black Dagger]

Yes my mistake, in that post i was replying to you, Comrade Lewis and AntifaAustralia. I confused a quote from the latter with your quotes, my apologies. I've edited the post.

[redSHARP]

what a fucking shame.

since there is a debate about justice for this crime, how should we go about obtaining justice?

[anticap]

I've called lots of enemies "sub-human" during moments of rage. It's perfectly understandable. The important thing is to give yourself a chance to cool off, then come back and examine the situation with a clear head.

Are they literally sub-human? Of course not, they're Homo sapiens like the rest of us.

We must also remember that they're the way they are not by accident. The material world comes before ideas, remember? So we should examine how these people became murdering nationalists who do the dirty work for those who actually benefit most from the nation (i.e., not themselves). I suspect it has a lot to do with that: misplaced loyalty to the bourgeois state. They probably believe that the US can be returned to some allegedly idyllic past, like most constitutionalist-types. If we can determine the source of ignorance, we can at least attempt to educate others.

And finally, if none of the above is persuasive, then at least remember that it was dehumanization that allowed for the ultimate expression of fascism. Once you strip people of their humanity, anything goes.

With all that said, they obviously belong in prison until they're too old and feeble to pull a trigger unassisted.

[MarxSchmarx]

We must also remember that they're the way they are not by accident. The material world comes before ideas, remember? So we should examine how these people became murdering nationalists who do the dirty work for those who actually benefit most from the nation (i.e., not themselves). I suspect it has a lot to do with that: misplaced loyalty to the bourgeois state. They probably believe that the US can be returned to some allegedly idyllic past, like most constitutionalist-types. If we can determine the source of ignorance, we can at least attempt to educate others.

And finally, if none of the above is persuasive, then at least remember that it was dehumanization that allowed for the ultimate expression of fascism. Once you strip people of their humanity, anything goes.

With all that said, they obviously belong in prison until they're too old and feeble to pull a trigger unassisted.
We on the left once had a term for such a resolution:

"RE-EDUCATION CAMPS"

Sounds like they still have a place.

[progressive_lefty]

What disregard for human life, can anyone imagine treating people like that? That is terrible.

[Comrade B]

10 Hate
hahaha, oh god, that is fucking rich....

Anyway, I support the bloody murder of any member of this organization, just like to state that. They are the real terrorists out there, if you meet one, beat them with whatever object you have your hands on.

Anyone know of a good anti-minute man group?