Hi, From a Mises.org Moderator

[krazy kaju]

Hi All,

I'm a forum moderator at mises.org, the website representing the Ludwig von Mises Institute. I'm also a student of philosophy and economics at Wayne State University, in Detroit, Michigan.

I have read somewhere that this forum has some kind of a restricted member policy, where anti-communists and the like are restricted to this subforum only. Since I'm not here to start any fights, I figured I'd post this introductory note and allow you guys to do your job and restrict me right off the bat.

Thanks,

kaju

[robbo203]

Hi All,

I'm a forum moderator at mises.org, the website representing the Ludwig von Mises Institute. I'm also a student of philosophy and economics at Wayne State University, in Detroit, Michigan.

I have read somewhere that this forum has some kind of a restricted member policy, where anti-communists and the like are restricted to this subforum only. Since I'm not here to start any fights, I figured I'd post this introductory note and allow you guys to do your job and restrict me right off the bat.

Thanks,

kaju

Fire away with your arguments, Kaju. This should be interesting. Here is something you might want to get your teeth stuck into for starters http://www.cvoice.org/cv3cox.htm

[krazy kaju]

Well I'm not trying to instigate much here, especially since I already have mod duties at mises.org, I post on several other forums, I keep a blog and a twitter, and the like. I will only post occasionally to provide a pure capitalistic POV when I have the time between my job, school, mod duties, etc.

[Bud Struggle]

Welcome kaju!

You'll be restricted to Opposing Ideologies--here, and you can debate away with these Commies tp your heart's content. There are a couple of other of you Misesian types around so you won't be too lonely.

Enjoy yourself. Saturday and Sunday are kind of slow days here (BTW).

[Trystan]

Welcome! I have read some interesting things on the Mises message boards, most of which I (naturally) disagree with. But it was interesting, nonetheless.

[RedAnarchist]

Welcome to RevLeft, it's always good to have opposing views to debate with in OI.

[KC]

Good luck dealing with all the hostilities in this forum.

[ZeroNowhere]

Hi there. I hate everything you stand for. :)

[Bright Banana Beard]

Hi here, be warned that you will get hostile and angry emotional message in here in some time. Good to see you here. :)

[Dr Mindbender]

Hi All,

I'm a forum moderator at mises.org, the website representing the Ludwig von Mises Institute. I'm also a student of philosophy and economics at Wayne State University, in Detroit, Michigan.

I have read somewhere that this forum has some kind of a restricted member policy, where anti-communists and the like are restricted to this subforum only. Since I'm not here to start any fights, I figured I'd post this introductory note and allow you guys to do your job and restrict me right off the bat.

Thanks,

kaju

Why not tell us why you disagree with communism before asking to be restricted?

Don't be so closed minded.

[Kassad]

Though your website makes me want to stick all my fingers in a blender and drink it afterwards, I'd love to have a discussion with you. Welcome to the forum.

[Pawn Power]

Wow, you sound full of both shit and yourself. No offense.

[mikelepore]

It will become interesting when everyone stops saying hello to each other and they begin going over some principles and ideas.

[New Tet]

It will become interesting when everyone stops saying hello to each other and they begin going over some principles and ideas.

Marx on Mallock, anyone?

http://www.slp.org/pdf/de_leon/ddlother/marx_mallock.pdf

[Rosa Provokateur]

Hey and welcome. Some of these guys play rough but although we stand on different sides of economic-theory, I cant help but admire your work-ethic. I had a short spell into capitalism and on a small-scale it's a fine system except that it assumes value is relative and can lead to the creation of a power-structure (the same problem exists with authoritarian socialists and they're not to be trusted).

I hope you find what you're looking for. God bless, hun:)

[JimmyJazz]

I've been wanting to read some of the free books on your website, probably starting with Rothbard's Libertarian Manifesto and Bureaucracy by Mises.

I think you'll find that some people here are quite dismissive of right-libertarianism/Austrian economics, and of capitalist economics more generally, mainly because from a historical materialist perspective it is quite clear that these schools of thought are young, relative, and conditional upon the specific historic epoch in which they exist (while their proponents treat them as eternal truths built upon "human nature").

Another way of saying it would be that right-libertarians and mainstream economists tend to spend all their time obsessively analyzing the kernel of rationality that undoubtedly exists in the way that a free market economy operates; but this endeavor precludes their ever thinking seriously about comprehensive alternative social systems (like communism).

By the way, I agree with our restriction policy. A site like this one draws all kinds of less-than-serious posters. There is, however, an extreme diversity to the type of anti-capitalists that are allowed to participate in the board-wide discussions. And plenty of good discussion takes place in the Opposing Ideologies forum.

Welcome.

Edit: I would suggest this essay (http://libcom.org/library/commodity-fetishism-fredy-perlman) as intro reading to understand the difference between where you (market economics) and we (political economy) are coming from.

[Jack]

I'm readying my amunition.

You probably won't be banned unless you say something that's reactionary outside of OI.

[trivas7]

I think you'll find that some people here are quite dismissive of right-libertarianism/Austrian economics, and of capitalist economics more generally, mainly because from a historical materialist perspective it is quite clear that these schools of thought are young, relative, and conditional upon the specific historic epoch in which they exist.

And Marxian economics somehow escapes historical limitations?

[JimmyJazz]

There's no such thing as Marxist economics--read the essay I posted.

Socialist economics, in a socialist society, would obviously belong to that historical epoch just as much as capitalist economics belong to the capitalist one.

[Bud Struggle]

There's no such thing as Marxist economics--read the essay I posted.

Socialist economics, in a socialist society, would obviously belong to that historical epoch just as much as capitalist economics belong to the capitalist one.

You guys are supposed to be arguing with kaju, not among yourselves. :confused:

[Jack]

And Marxian economics somehow escapes historical limitations?

Socialist economics, as well as Keyensian, evolves depending on circumstances because we know that not all economic conditions are the same, so the same standard cannot be applied. Austrian economics applies the same idea to all economic problems, ignoring problems that would arise if we had a completly lassie faire economy.

Keyensians at least see that there can be flaws in a capitalist economy that need to be corrected (even if they aren't so good at doing such).

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Why not tell us why you disagree with communism before asking to be restricted?

Don't be so closed minded.
Why, because he might be one of those Communist Austrian schoolers? :confused:

[Revy]

The Miseans are such a joke. I put them in the same category as Objectivists.

[Octobox]

too late -- he's been restricted, hahahaha.

you voluntarists always understimate your commie big brothers.

Anarcho-Capitalism and Anarcho-Communism can only exist in the short-run in a free-society (a truly voluntary one).

If they stay together in the medium to long run -- restrictions will be made on new members and voluntarism would end.

In a free-society there would be all forms of anarchy practiced (as I said for short periods).

I might be an anarcho-cap when I exchange goods or services -- then it ends.

No anarchist society would have employees -- everyone would be a sub-contractor (temporary worker).

I might be an anarcho-communist -- a temporary union to renogiate (as a group) our contracts on a certain job -- that union would disolve as soon as the goal was reached.

Any "groupist" activity in the long-run would require leaders and welfarism to support (taxation or forced contribution).

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Welcome, Kaju. I utterly and absolutely despise everything you stand for, I believe Mises, Hayek and the rest of your idols were pseudo-intellectual buffoons who did untold harm to the science of economics, I believe the Austrian School is the intellectual equivalent of a bloated cancer, and I think the world would be greatly improved if every single member of this gathering of libertarian excrement were to die painfully in a blazing inferno.

Enjoy your stay. :)

[ZeroNowhere]

Welcome, Kaju. I utterly and absolutely despise everything you stand for, I believe Mises, Hayek and the rest of your idols were pseudo-intellectual buffoons who did untold harm to the science of economics, I believe the Austrian School is the intellectual equivalent of a bloated cancer, and I think the world would be greatly improved if every single member of this gathering of libertarian excrement were to die painfully in a blazing inferno.

Enjoy your stay. :)Ehm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Brevity).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Ehm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Brevity).

What's WWII got to do with it?

[Jazzratt]

Thank you for making us aware of your prescence, but since this isn't a debate thread I'm going to go ahead and close it.