Weyman Bennett- Idiot and Con Artist

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Weyman Bennett- Idiot and Con Artist


Taken from- www.antifa.org.uk (http://www.antifa.org.uk/)


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The UAF leadership, namely one Weyman Bennett , has once again claimed that his organisation is the leading light in the tradition of militant anti-fascism in Britain today.

Just days after a UAF march led to some of the marchers succesfully chasing Griffin away from a press conference outside the Houses of Parliament, Bennett wasted no time in publicly declaring that the UAF stand firmly in the tradition that previously saw Moseley's Blackshirts smashed of the streets of London in the 1930's.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6488664.ece?Submitted=true (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6488664.ece?Submitted=true)

Bennett is an opportunist and an outright liar.

As a member of the Socialist Workers Party, who have a history of 'self declared leadership' of popular struggles this is hardly surprising.

While eggs may have been thrown last week, in itself hardly a 'militant' act of much pedigree but an act newsworthy enough to prompt a media frenzy, those involved were most likely not themselves members of the UAF, and the lack of media footage of Bennett himself getting 'stuck in' is noticeably absent as always.

The truth is that the SWP and all their political front groups have contributed far more to actually boosting BNP membership than they have to confronting it.

One of the leading groups in the 1980's physically confronting the BNP were Red Action, whose founding members were themselves originally from the SWP and their front group the Anti Nazi League.

These members were expelled for 'Squadism', or put simply, using violence and intimidation to break up meetings, marches and other gatherings of far right groups such as the National Front and the British Movement. The idea behind the tactic was to intimidate groups seen as fascist, without generating media publicity for the far right.

In short they were expelled for being part of the tradition of militant anti-fascism that Bennett is today claiming he and the UAF belong too.

Bennett is happy to co-operate with the state while declairing himself a militant. So much so that a UAF march in Leeds yesterday led by Bennett himself, was halted by the UAF on the request of the police, so that the first Orange Order parade in 40 years could go ahead on time in the same location.

https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/06/432227.html?c=on (https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/06/432227.html?c=on)#c225807

Now that's Bennett's 'militant anti-fascism' for you!

[Spud]

Hi I'm new here, but I like this. I've been following the Searchlight and UAF sites for quite a while but they are completely ineffective when dealing with the BNP. I dont think they will stop the BNP.

[REDSOX]

Searchlight is a dodgy organisation with close links to the state. It has fronted the campaign against the BNP in the recent euro elections through a strategy of criminalisation and nazi stereotyping. Well we can see the result of their actions 1 million votes and 2 BNP fascists in the euro parliament. Nice one Weyman! Nice one Mr Gable! Nice one Mr lowles:)

[Hit The North]

When antifa actually turn up and do something instead of just putting out pathetic, macho posturing statements about what hard dicks they've got, they might be worth listening to.

[Hit The North]

Searchlight is a dodgy organisation with close links to the state. It has fronted the campaign against the BNP in the recent euro elections through a strategy of criminalisation and nazi stereotyping. Well we can see the result of their actions 1 million votes and 2 BNP fascists in the euro parliament. Nice one Weyman! Nice one Mr Gable! Nice one Mr lowles:)

So according to you, the success of the BNP is down to Searchlight and UAF? Do you think it was the "nazi stereotyping" which attracted the million votes?

You need to get out more, talk to people, and get an education.

Besides, you needn't worry about the two fascist Euro MPs. Antifa can send a small detachment of seasoned fighters to Brussels to beat them up. In fact, if antifa had only pursued a policy of hospitalising all the BNP candidates, then the one million voters who you reckon were attracted by the "nazi stereotyping" would have had no one to vote for. Job done!

What a shame antifa couldn't be bothered to get off their arses.

[REDSOX]

I strongly believe that Searchlights and to some extent UAF strategy of criminilisation and nazi stereotyping over the last few years has not worked against this postmodernist neo fascist BNP. I have explained on another post in the politics section how i think we must deal with the BNP. The Searchlight strategy by itself did not cause a million to vote BNP but it certainly fucked up any attempt in dealing with them. To deal with the disease you must apply the correct medicine not medicine which has no effect.

[Hit The North]

The Searchlight strategy by itself did not cause a million to vote BNP but it certainly fucked up any attempt in dealing with them.

How so?

Btw, calling the BNP "post modern" seems like a fairly meaningless designation designed only to flatter. How are they post modern?

[REDSOX]

They are post modern in the sense that fascism is a mutating ideology as it does not stay the same' tactics change. The BNP fascism today is not really like the Fascism of the 1930's. The BNP stategy today is not streetist but electoralist. they emphasise not race but identity, seperatism not superiority. They have jews in the party. They have seized on issues such as globalisation and climate change which cannot be simply reduced to hitlerian policies. We are dealing with a different beast here with different tactics still racist still fascist but modern

[Hit The North]

Firstly, I think you're simplifying the practice and tactics of fascism then and now, both of which were both "streetist" and "electoralist". Secondly, the BNP may have adjusted their rhetoric, but their concept of identity is still based on racial and national criteria and they still unashamedly claim to be the party of "white British" people and exclude black and Asian people. Thirdly, what does their policy on globalisation really amount to other than the usual nationalist bigotry and insularity which has always been the mark of the timid, introverted and insecure "master race".

So I still don't understand what is so post-modern about these goons.

[REDSOX]

They have updated their fascism to take account of todays world and that includes policies on globalisation and climate change. That is what is post modern about them adapting to changing circumstances

[Hit The North]

And what are their policies? Are they "post modern"?

[REDSOX]

Their values are the same but in a modern setting sounds like new labour in a way Traditional values in a modern setting Tactics also different aims are the same but updated for the 21st century they are still racist and fascist but is updated

[Hit The North]

Sorry, this still sounds like empty rhetoric. Unless you can spell out the novel policies which you think have transformed the BNP and, hence, the way we deal with them, I have no more to add.

[REDSOX]

I have explained clearly enough i feel in this post and the post on the politics section as to my contention that the BNP unlike the NF is a postmodern fascist party and not a nazi party.

[Hit The North]

I doubt you have explained this to anyone's satisfaction but your own.

[REDSOX]

Sorry that you feel that way bob the builder. But you tell me your take on the BNP. Are they a Nazi party? Is the Searchlight strategy of Nazi stereotyping and Criminalisation really helping to counter the BNP when we have just seen 2 scumbags elected to the euro parliament as well as polling a million votes. I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter

[Hit The North]

Firstly, it is true that the leadership of the BNP have past and current associations with neo-Nazis. This needs exposing and the public need reminding of this. How much this affected the vote for the BNP in the recent election is difficut to quantify. However, it is worth noting that the BNP didn't do as well as they - and even some of their critics - expected. This is not to deny that they made some progress. But the seats were won not due to a big surge of support for the goon squad, but because of peculiarities in the electoral system, including a collapsing Labour vote. In Barnsley, a working class, mainly white, town one in every six votes cast went to the BNP. This sounds alarming. But only 30% of the electors turned out to vote. Labour voters stayed at home in their thousands.

Amongst the groups where they did attract votes, I doubt many of them voted for the BNP on the basis of their policies on globalization or the environment. More on the old scapegoating issues of immigration and foreign workers. And this seems most pertinent to your argument that the BNP have somehow transformed themselves in a manner which demands we change our tactics in opposing them.

I'm signing off for bed now. Maybe I'll expand on my answers in the morning.

[Melbourne Lefty]

Searchlight is controlled by the state and is not a left wing organisation despite Gerry's party affiliations in the old days.

As a tool of the state it is well funded and has access to a large number of media persons, which is why every second article on the BNP has a searchlight quote in it.

They are one of the reasons the BNP has not gone further because they have created a public persona of hatred around them, the media together with Searchlight have made it OK for the average person to hate the BNP and encourage them to do so.

So what did the left actually do during the elections?

The HnH/Searchlight/Daily Mirror alliance did what it could, even got Gordon Brown on board [was that a bad idea or what?].

What was the UAF doing? They showed up to egg Griffin AFTER he was elected, by what about before?

[Holden Caulfield]

What was the UAF doing? They showed up to egg Griffin AFTER he was elected, by what about before?
I question whether the egging was even by a seasoned UAF activist, or one of their men. This kind of tactic seems most out of character for them as an organisation. There are alot of good people in UAF some of the local 'chapters' are half decent, but still there as massive flaws.

What did UAF do in Manchester recently?
(i'll post more later, i got to get to work)

[Devrim]

You need to get out more, talk to people, and get an education.

A typical elitist attitude.

Devrim

[REDSOX]

Judging by your post Bob the builder it looks to me that you like some other leftists are in denial about the BNP

[ZeroNowhere]

Judging by your post Bob the builder it looks to me that you like some other leftists are in denial about the BNPStop, count to 10, and try to avoid this thread becoming decadent, alright? If it does, there will be no hope for real improvement and it will end up getting trashed.

[Hit The North]

A typical elitist attitude.

Devrim

Advising someone to get out, meet people and learn from them is elitist?

You have a strange definition of this word.

[Devrim]

No telling people to 'get an education'. I have seen this sort of comment many times on this site and it just really annoys me. Just because some people had the chance of a better education than others it doesn't mean that they should patronise people about it.

Devrim

[BobKKKindle$]

No telling people to 'get an education'. I have seen this sort of comment many times on this site and it just really annoys me. Just because some people had the chance of a better education than others it doesn't mean that they should patronise people about it.

Devrim

It's quite obvious that this wasn't referring to formal education, but education in the sense of expanding your knowledge of the world through practical experience. There are many people who have impressive degrees but can't be seen as educated in the broader sense because they are isolated from struggle and activity.

[Devrim]

It's quite obvious that this wasn't referring to formal education, but education in the sense of expanding your knowledge of the world through practical experience.

It wasn't obvious to me. I have never seen the phrase 'get an education' used like that before, but then maybe I don't have the benefit of your experience at an elite university.

Devrim

[BobKKKindle$]

It wasn't obvious to me. I have never seen the phrase 'get an education' used like that before, but then maybe I don't have the benefit of your experience at an elite university.

Devrim

I'm glad to have told you something you didn't already know.

[Hit The North]

Judging by your post Bob the builder it looks to me that you like some other leftists are in denial about the BNP

Why, do you dispute that the backbone of the BNP support is mainly concerned with the perceived threat of immigration, foreign workers and other well-worn right-wing concerns?

You've so far claimed that its the "post modern" issues which have driven the BNPs relative success. At the same time you've singularly failed to describe the content of these policies, explain how they are attractive to their voters or offer any empirical evidence that this is why their voters voted for them in the first place.

Really, without evidence, it just appears that you've made up your mind this is the case and that is it.

[EasternCharlie]

When antifa actually turn up and do something instead of just putting out pathetic, macho posturing statements about what hard dicks they've got, they might be worth listening to.

All our activities are on our website via the newswire or in No Pasaran! which you can find via the front page.

Some activities cannot be published due to the nature of getting 'pigged'.

Other activities you will find on Stormfront.

You are also very welcome to come along to any of our benefit gigs and tells us to our faces how 'pathetic' we are.

Unlike the pathetic UAF 'leadership' we like to get our hands dirty.

Ta Ta.

[Random Precision]

Trashed Devrim's post and the following diversion on the subject of Bob's class background. :)

Fietsketting, you are verbally warned for flaming as well.

[Devrim]

Trashed Devrim's post and the following diversion on the subject of Bob's class background. :)

This is pretty typical of the way the modding goes on on this site. I admit that my post was out of order and would like to apologise to the board in general if not to Bob Kindles.

People are totally free to accuse people of having 'a typical middle class yuppie attitude', 'an arrogant wanna be pen pushing yuppie attitude', 'a trendy" leftie middle class analysis' and also state that 'the ultra leftists sit in universities talking shit' all in one thread without any action being taken.

None of that was deleted nor were warnings given, but then it wasn't aimed at a mod who has friends who are also mods who are part of the same political tendency.

So what was the problem with what I said? Was it the fact that I didn't try to use it as a political argument and just insulted him? Personally I think that it is worse to try to use it as a political argument. I wouldn't do that.

Was it the language I used? It is actually how people talk all the time, but it seemed to upset Rosa with her schoolmarm attitude. Funnily enough my wife got pulled up and lectured about using that word the other day by a couple of women who have an educational background, which I am sure is very similar to Rosa's.

Or was it because it is ok to throw abuse at some people on here, but not others.

Devrim

[Rosa Lichtenstein]

Devrim:


Was it the language I used? It is actually how people talk all the time, but it seemed to upset Rosa with her schoolmarm attitude. Funnily enough my wife got pulled up and lectured about using that word the other day by a couple of women who have an educational background, which I am sure is very similar to Rosa's.

People use racist langauge all the time; I suppose that means you'll start using it, too.

And, it's disconcerting to have it confirmed: you see nothing wrong with using a word for female genitallia as an ultimate term of abuse.

That your wife allegedly uses this term says much about her too.

And what has education got to do with this?


Or was it because it is ok to throw abuse at some people on here, but not others.

Well, you have lost the right to complain when I throw relatively mild abuse at you.

[Holden Caulfield]

I don't really appricaite my forum being modded without being told about it, a PM would have been nice. I also do not consider the word **** to be sexist, and am not aware that CC policy says otherwise, so please keep that debate out of this forum, if you want it, go do it in discrimination.

I'm snowed under with work and redecorating recently so can everybody chill the fuck out and be civil to each other, because I don't have the time to mediate atm.

In regards to Bobs comment, when I read it, to me and obviously to others, it came across as elitist, as get an education because you clearly dont have one. Whether it was intended so or not is a different matter. But can this issue end.

Can we keep this on antifasicsm please.

Edit: Moved Rosa's post to a new thread in discrimination. Anymore off topic posts will be deleted, and those who made them warned. If anybody has issues take it up with the person on their page or start an approproiate thread.

[Vanguard1917]

And what are their policies? Are they "post modern"?

The language and political content of multiculturalism, which the BNP does in fact employ -- the claim that all cultures are equal but different and that such differences should be celebrated and preserved -- was often championed by postmodernism, with its rejection of universalism and its emphasis on the existence of particular identities. (One of the BNP's publications is even called 'Identity'.) The BNP have embraced these mainstream ideas and have, i would argue, taken them to some of their logical conclusions.

[Holden Caulfield]

The BNP have embraced these mainstream ideas and have, i would argue, taken them to some of their logical conclusions.


It's not a great leap of thought for us to call the BNP "post-modern" in some of their rhetoric. The groups who paved the ideological path for Italian fascism were "futurists" and did much the same thing VG1917 mentioned,

[Hit The North]

It's not a great leap of thought for us to call the BNP "post-modern" in some of their rhetoric. The groups who paved the ideological path for Italian fascism were "futurists" and did much the same thing VG1917 mentioned,

This is true. Fascism has always been at the cutting edge of reactionary thought. I'm not denying that the BNP have placed their own spin on post-modern attitudes (omitting its tolerance of pluralistic identity!). What I'm questioning is Redsox's assertion that this accounts for their electoral success and means we need to change our tactics accordingly.