What do you think about the rebel flag?

[The Red Next Door]

I would like to know what anarchist think about the rebel flag. is it a symbol against tyrants or is it racist?

[GracchusBabeuf]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Confederate_Navy_Jack.svg/200px-Confederate_Navy_Jack.svg.png

You mean this?:confused:

Its a symbol of tyrants and racists.:)

[The Red Next Door]

yep

[FreeFocus]

It's racist, but the American flag is no better or worse, so I don't get all worked up about the Confederate flag when millions of scumbags fly the American one.

[Pirate Utopian]

It's a flag for Dukes of Hazzard.

[Pogue]

Only good thing about the Confederates was that a few of them realised how fucked up they were and went on to repent as anarchists.

I hate the whole fetishisation of the Confederates as some sort of heroic rebels. View them like the Falange 'rebel' side - they were the ruling class rebelling out of fear for the progress and some minor emancipation of the people they exploited, for the Confederates it was 'the negroes', for the Falange, the workers and peasants.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

I operate on the assumption that anyone waving a confederate flag deserves to be punched in the face.

[Bilan]

the only time it's cool is when it says
"Burn this one" on a belt. :lol:
Nationalistic, and twatish, but it's still funny.

[Jazzratt]

In fairness it looks far cooler than the other flag and, yeah they're a symbols of all kinds of fucked up shit.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

General William T. Sherman frowns upon such shenanigans.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/William-Tecumseh-Sherman.jpg/472px-William-Tecumseh-Sherman.jpg

I've heard them say "The South will rise again"; which is just as likely as the Union army coming back from the dead to kick their asses and make them howl once more.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

It's an aesthetically nice symbol of tyrany and racism.

[Rjevan]

It's really a big shame that this flag is used by rednecks, conservative assholes and other reactionaries. I think it looks great! It is so much better than the current USA flag, which I think is pretty ugly, while the confederate flag is one of the best flags I've seen. But well, maybe a communist USA flag will be even more impressing. ;)

[Prairie Fire]

I used to have knee-jerk reactions against it as well, before I realized that slavery and Genocide was not simply a phenomenon confined to the south of the Mason-Dixon line.

It is more aesthetically pleasing than the US flag, but it is not something that workers and socialists should embrace.

The fact that large numbers of the Southern Working class identify with this (Hell, I even see it in my home province here in Canada) is perhaps a distortion of genuine ambitions for soveriegnty and self determination.



Only good thing about the Confederates was that a few of them realised how fucked up they were and went on to repent as anarchists.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[gorillafuck]

Only good thing about the Confederates was that a few of them realised how fucked up they were and went on to repent as anarchists.
Source?:confused:

[Pogue]

i'll dig up the link there was a couple of well known ones

[MarxSchmarx]

If you wanted to choose an American anti-tyranny flag there are plenty of better options to choose from:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/AIMflag.png/300px-AIMflag.png

file:///tmp/moz-screenshot.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Gadsden_flag.svg/800px-Gadsden_flag.svg.png

http://www.csupomona.edu/%7Elibrary/specialcollections/ufw/img/flag5.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Flag_of_Aztlan.svg/800px-Flag_of_Aztlan.svg.png

[Prairie Fire]

Fuck "Don't tread on me". That flag is the flag of 'Tea party' libertarians and racist mysoginistic militia members.

[Jazzratt]

Fuck "Don't tread on me". That flag is the flag of 'Tea party' libertarians and racist mysoginistic militia members.

Yeah, really whenever I see the phrase or the flag I immediatly think of right-libertarian nutters.

Also what's the story with this one:
http://www.csupomona.edu/%7Elibrary/specialcollections/ufw/img/flag5.jpg
It looks so fucking dodge.

[MakeYourFuture]

Yeah, can you explain the signification of each ones please?
The last one is mexican?

[GPDP]

Yeah, really whenever I see the phrase or the flag I immediatly think of right-libertarian nutters.

Also what's the story with this one:
http://www.csupomona.edu/%7Elibrary/specialcollections/ufw/img/flag5.jpg
It looks so fucking dodge.

It's the flag of the United Farm Workers, if I remember correctly. I think it's also used by the Chicano movement in general.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'd like to think my Mexican American People class taught me something. :p

[Trystan]

Fuck "Don't tread on me". That flag is the flag of 'Tea party' libertarians and racist mysoginistic militia members.

Not necessarily. I like it, personally.

[Sasha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0mknY1l2AU

just wanted to share :laugh:

[The Author]

I don't know, this flag

http://www.csupomona.edu/%7Elibrary/specialcollections/ufw/img/flag5.jpg

gives me too much of that Nazi vibe...

The Confederate Flag is just another mediocre flag design (so is the US Flag, for that matter). It was modeled on Saint Andrew's Cross.

[khad]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Confederate_Navy_Jack.svg/200px-Confederate_Navy_Jack.svg.png

You mean this?:confused:

Its a symbol of tyrants and racists.:)

That's the battle banner, ie, the flag carried by the army. For the Army of Virginia, the flag was typically square. The oblong version was more commonly used as a naval jack. As far as battle banners go, it is pretty elaborate, since the purpose of such flags is easy identification. For example, the US and Soviet battle insignia in ww2:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/3034519358_d9e576a21c.jpg?

http://www.history.navy.mil/pics//acins10.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Red_Army_flag.svg/450px-Red_Army_flag.svg.png

If you want to compare apples to apples, this is the confederate political flag. It was retired from the battlefield early on because it caused confusion due to its similarity to the Union flag:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/CSA_FLAG_28.11.1861-1.5.1863.svghttp://thewanderingrebel.com/Buried%20CSA%20Flag.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/CSA_FLAG_28.11.1861-1.5.1863.svg

[Jimmie Higgins]

I don't know, this flag

http://www.csupomona.edu/%7Elibrary/specialcollections/ufw/img/flag5.jpg

gives me too much of that Nazi vibe...

The Confederate Flag is just another mediocre flag design (so is the US Flag, for that matter). It was modeled on Saint Andrew's Cross.

It's the flag of the United Farmworkers in the US... a primarily latino organization of farm laborers.

When union recognition became "legal" in the US, farm workers were the only group left out so there was a unionization movement in the 1960s that took on the growers and racism and corrupt union leaders. Unfortunately it was never able to break out and become a radical labor movement. Instead, the radicals primarily turned to anti-racist action while the labor part became absorbed into mainstream liberal unionism.

The confederate flag is BS and ONLY a symbol of racism now. I grew up in northern California and everyone who had one of these flags on their car or front porch was a racist. The ones who weren't overtly racist claimed that it was a symbol of "state's rights" (i.e. the state's right to enforce jim-crow or slavery). Racists here claim it is a symbol of "heritage" WTF, California was on the side of the North anyway.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

How is it those who proudly fondle the Confederate flag are also the first to accuse others of being anti-American?

[MarxSchmarx]

Yeah, can you explain the signification of each ones please?
The last one is mexican?


The last one is Aztlan, the territories that were, um, "expropriated" from Mexico, during the Mexican American war.

The first one is the American Indian Movement.

The second one is from the American revolutionary war and is called the Gadsden Flag. Different groups during the revolution adopted it for their own purpose. The symbol of a snake derives from many ideologies, but is actually also a stab at religious authority, from an age when the literal truth of genesis was still widely believed.

The third one, as has been noted, is the ufw. Whatever the shortcomings of its current incarnation, and there are many, for a time their methods and vision were seen as a serious threat.

[Il Medico]

The rebel flag is the flag of an oppressive upper class. It is a symbol of racism and hate, no working class person should ever display this vile symbol. It detest the ideas behind this flag as much as I do the ones behind the Swastika.

On the subject: Story Time.

Last year, a group named 'The Sons of the Confederacy' hoisted a huge rebel flag up at the junction of I-4 and I-75. Besides being the busiest intersection in Tampa, it is also the junction right before the Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard exit. It was one of the most blatantly racist things I have seen, despite the groups claim of not intending to offend anyone.