UAF Egg and Fight Nick Griffin outside parliament

[Pogue]

This is just in the news now. Nick Griffin was meant to be holding a press conference on the lawn outside Parliament and UAF protestors came out of no where and started egging him. There were violent clashes, apparently "punches were thrown" and "one person was treated in an ambulance". The footage is on the BBC at the moment.

UAF getting a bit militant eh? Certainly they weren't holding back, they followed him until he got in his car.

All over BBC at the moment. Will update link later when I ge tthe video and pics.

[RedArmyUK]

This is just in the news now. Nick Griffin was meant to be holding a press conference on the lawn outside Parliament and UAF protestors came out of no where and started egging him. There were violent clashes, apparently "punches were thrown" and "one person was treated in an ambulance". The footage is on the BBC at the moment.

UAF getting a bit militant eh? Certainly they weren't holding back, they followed him until he got in his car.

All over BBC at the moment. Will update link later when I ge tthe video and pics.

Shame they didn,t stone the c**t

[Pogue]

haha nick actually mentioned that, how if they threw a brick he could have been seriously injured :D

[RedArmyUK]

haha nick actually mentioned that, how if they threw a brick he could have been seriously injured :D

Go look on the daily mail comments, they all seem to be sticking up for the C**T!!

[K.Bullstreet]

I think it's pretty good, for once I find myself saying well done UAF :D. The only thing is...if they got that close to him and some of the top BNP folk, why the hell didn't they do anymore than throw some eggs?! :rolleyes:

[ls]

UAF are doing better recently, perhaps all the hysteria about the BNP is making most UAFers do more which is good.

[F9]

Good job, hoping next time can do better than eggs.;)

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Fuck me UAF did fucking well.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45893000/jpg/_45893690_grifegg_226.jpg

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

http://www.orange.co.uk/images/editorial/ITN/story900c0dda7908908fe8426d1f699103b2_160x120.jpg

[K.Bullstreet]

Let's hope some of them realise what a shit organisation they are part of, and realise what some of the hierarchy are actually like. There is a better group waiting...:cool:

[h0m0revolutionary]

He must've been a bit upset, so upset in fact he let slip to the media that he's going to be in Manchester tomorrow for another conference.

I'm awaiting details, but he'll be greeted with a bit more of what he got today.. and then some ;)

[Pogue]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091605.stm

[Pogue]

Egg attack on BNP leader Griffin



BNP leader pelted with eggs

BNP leader Nick Griffin has been pelted with eggs and forced to abandon a press conference outside Parliament. Dozens of protesters disrupted the event, which follows the British National Party winning its first two seats in the European Parliament.
Chanting anti-Nazi slogans and holding placards they surrounded Mr Griffin as he was bundled into a car.
Mr Griffin was elected for the North West region - a result condemned by parties across the political spectrum.
Mr Griffin and Andrew Brons, who was elected in the Yorkshire and Humber region, staged a press conference on College Green, opposite the Houses of Parliament.
The BNP leader began the event by holding up copies of national newspapers and talking about what he said were media lies about him and his party.
Scuffle
He denied he had past links with Oswald Mosley, as the former fascist leader "was very hostile to the National Front from which I am from".
He had been speaking for about two minutes when about 50 to 100 protesters marched towards him chanting slogans and throwing eggs.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45893000/jpg/_45893690_grifegg_226.jpg Nick Griffin was forced to retreat from college green

There was a brief scuffle as Mr Griffin was jostled by protesters - and a scrum of cameramen - before the BNP leader was bundled into the back seat of a waiting car by his security men.
A tourist who was caught up in the melee was treated in an ambulance, after suffering an injured leg.
A spokesman for the Metropolitan Police said: "We are aware of the incident and will pursue charges if a complaint is made."
'Low turnout'
Members of Unite Against Fascism, a new group supported by trade unions and MPs from all parties, including Tory leader David Cameron, and veteran left wing campaigner Tony Benn, said they wanted to "defend democracy" against what they regard as the "fascist" and "racist" policies of the BNP.
One told the crowd his message for Mr Griffin was: "Wherever you go in this country we will make sure you are welcomed by demonstrations."
The demonstrators kicked and hit the BNP leader's car with their placards before cheering as he drove off.
Protest organiser Weyman Bennett, national secretary of Unite Against Fascism, said he believed it was important to stand up to the BNP.
"The majority of people did not vote for the BNP, they did not vote at all. The BNP was able to dupe them into saying that they had an answer to people's problems.


Nick Griffin: 'We were attacked by a mob'

"They presented themselves as a mainstream party. The reality was because the turnout was so low, they actually got elected."
Speaking to BBC News afterwards, Mr Griffin alleged that the three main political parties were trying to prevent the BNP getting its message across by colluding with protesters who he said were mainly left-wing students.
"It's a very, very sad day for British democracy," he said.
"People should be entitled to hear what we have to say and to hear journalists question us robustly."
He described protesters as an "organised mob that's backed by all three main parties to stop us getting our message across to the public" and added: "It does not represent ordinary people."
He said he suffered only a "glancing splattering" with egg but a television cameraman was hit full in the face.
'Terrible thing'
He says the BNP is not racist and says it won votes because it "spoke openly about the problem of immigration".
And he argued that the "political elite" were responsible for making "the indigenous British majority... second class citizens in every possible sphere".
Mr Griffin said the BNP plans to hold a press conference in Manchester tomorrow and he hopes that the police will take action against any violent protests.
On Monday Tory leader David Cameron and Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said they were "sickened" by the BNP's win and Labour deputy Harriet Harman said it was "a terrible thing".
The number of people voting BNP across the UK as a whole went up slightly, from 808,201 to 943,598 in the European elections, but went down slightly in the two regions where it gained MEPs, with the party benefitting from a collapse in the Labour vote.
They won 6.2% of votes, compared with 8.6% for the Green Party, 13.7% for the Lib Dems, 15.7% for Labour, 16.5% for the UK Independence Party and 27.7% for the Conservatives.

[Hit The North]

Let's hope some of them realise what a shit organisation they are part of, and realise what some of the hierarchy are actually like. There is a better group waiting...:cool:

Oh, you're waiting! You should try turning up instead. :glare:

[K.Bullstreet]

Haha, that is a very good point Bob the Builder. And I wouldn't be suprised if people from the said group were present. The point I am making is that I'm sure there are genuinely good people, and sincere anti-fascists in the UAF (as today seems to have proven), but unfortunately the structure, tactics, leadership and so forth is very questionable.

Btw, was your post questioning me personally for not turning up, or Antifa and so on?

[Vanguard1917]

Btw, was your post questioning me personally for not turning up, or Antifa and so on?

He was saying you should have been at the egg fight.

[K.Bullstreet]

Well. . .I heard Griffin and his chums were left running, and apparently the police were scrambled. . .:rolleyes::laugh:

[teenagebricks]

Looks like UAF plan on following Griffin everywhere he goes, not a bad stunt from them today.

[Rjevan]

http://www.orange.co.uk/images/editorial/ITN/story900c0dda7908908fe8426d1f699103b2_160x120.jpg
Haha, looking great there, Nick! :lol:
Congrats to the UAF, as said before, something more hard than eggs would have been better, but that's a start.

[Dr Mindbender]

This is why i don't understand all the hostility against UAF. Where were antifa when all this was going on...?

Great work anyway, hopefully if they chuck enough eggs maybe the BNP will have to spend their next election budget on dry cleaning bills...

:laugh:

[K.Bullstreet]

Taken from www.antifa.org.uk (http://www.antifa.org.uk):

Nick Griffin...What A Yolk! (http://www.antifa.org.uk/nucleus3.32/nucleus332/index.php?itemid=166)




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It's taken a while for the UAF to get the idea of 'direct action' into their heads but it would appear to be slowly sinking in!

A press conference held by Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons, who were both elected to the European Parliament on Sunday, was hysterically cut short outside Parliament today, a mere two minutes after it started.

With an assortment of papparazzi and TV crews on hand to record the event for posterity, some of the best images in a while were captured of Griffin and his fascist suits coming under attack (of sorts), and legging it to their cars under a hale of eggs courtesy of anti-fascist protesters.

Griffin always loves to surround himself with 'security' who are noticeable by the size of their waistbands and fat necks. These BNP bruisers, with concoctions of steroids dished out by 'head of security Martin Reynolds, certainly build the fat fascist physique, but as we all know they tend to 'shrink the balls', subsequently making the knees buckle and the need for fascist legs to run for cover. So it was again today. A rather bald troll like figure of Reynolds himself can be seen in some of the film footage actually struggling to keep up with the fleeing fascist exodus. Not a very pretty site!

Last time Antifa met the BNP security was in Oxford where the BNP lardies ran and hid in a hotel behind police lines.

Rumours of the Griffin and his crackpots being given the heave-ho soon in a town near you are not to be underestimated.

Just don't laugh...it's no 'yolking' matter!




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http://www.antifa.org.uk/nucleus3.32/nucleus332/media/1/20090609-griffinyolk.jpg


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[Dr Mindbender]

Griffin's face is a sketch.

:laugh:

He would never make a convincing fascist dictator with those mannerisms.

[AlMack]

lol
the terror in his bongled eyes
UAF starting to get the idea a little bit :thumbup1:

[Dr Mindbender]

lol
the terror in his bongled eye


Fixed.

[Melbourne Lefty]

hahaha!:lol::lol::lol:

The only thing better than the picture of Nick with Egg on his face is watching the BNP blogs light up in outrage!:lol::lol:

Oh boy are they pissed!

This might even force them to bring out more security and make a fight of it, considering how much the media hate them it would end up with
"BNP THUGS ATTACK PROTESTERS"
on every paper in the UK....:lol:

They cant win, not if the UAF keep getting good info like this, and what journo wouldnt want protesters to show up? Makes a great photo shoot.

They will NEVER get sympathetic press, and as long as left winger are attacking the BNP we will ALWAYS get sympathetic press [its just when we attack capitalism that they hate us].

This could be a great way to build something up, I have always had my doubts about the UAF, but they are the only ones in a position to grow from this situation and make th favorable press contacts that will be needed in the future.

I wish it wasnt an SWP group making all the running, but it is.

[Marx22]

Griffin looks like a cartoon character in those pictures, what a jackass.

Eggs? Why not bricks or stones? Nonetheless, a good move.

[pastradamus]

Fucking delighted. Though Id refrain from the use of the word "militant".

[RedAnarchist]

He's running, humiliated and terrified. Just like every BNP member should be.

[redSHARP]

you english comrades get to have all the fun!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:
good work comrades! keep it up!
maybe nick will do an american tour!!;)

[An archist]

Great footage:D

[Killfacer]

:lol:

[Pogue]

Those pictures are classic.

[K.Bullstreet]

Nick Griffin was said to be upset about the egg attack yesterday; mostly because they didn't separate the whites.
:rolleyes:

[Marx22]

hahaha I would not be surprised if Nicky boy was concerned about that.

[bellyscratch]

Anyone seen the press conference from Manchester today?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/10/bnp-nick-griffin-press-conference

[Iowa656]

I laughed - but seriously, freedom of speech anyone?

[Pogue]

I laughed - but seriously, freedom of speech anyone?

What about it?

[Iowa656]

What about it?


If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

I despise the BNP as much as the next person, but the way to defeat them is through debate - demonstrating how and why they are wrong. Not attacking them. Can't you see how this attack played right into their hands?

[Pogue]

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

I despise the BNP as much as the next person, but the way to defeat them is through debate - demonstrating how and why they are wrong. Not attacking them. Can't you see how this attack played right into their hands?

Do you really think debating them is going to make them or their supporters change their minds? And do you really think fascism deserves a foothold? Would you be happy seeing them outside your house preaching their shit about how black and asian peeps are 'not welcome'?

I'm not going to make the mistake of giving them a foothold. Freedom of speech does not include the freedom take advocate taking these freedoms away from someone based on their skin colour. I don't give a shit about the supposed rights of fasicst scum.

[Iowa656]

Do you really think debating them is going to make them or their supporters change their minds? And do you really think fascism deserves a foothold? Would you be happy seeing them outside your house preaching their shit about how black and asian peeps are 'not welcome'?

I'm not going to make the mistake of giving them a foothold. Freedom of speech does not include the freedom take advocate taking these freedoms away from someone based on their skin colour. I don't give a shit about the supposed rights of fasicst scum.

Yes. Most of the BNPs voters are working class people who have become disenfranchised with New Labours neoliberal agenda. Most of them are not the racist scum you label them as. Notice how Griffin's campaign focused much less on racialism and immigration and more on opposing privitisation, social housing etc.

Yes I believe in democracy and freedom of expression - and that includes fascists, racists, Islamist etc. Do you believe in censorship? Should people go to prison for having an opinion?

Clearly I don't agree with ethnic repatriation, but heck if someone else does why should I deny them the right to have such an opinion? If such were to happen I would challenge them to defend their views and encourage others to do the same. I would protest against their views - but attacking them takes things way too far.

But you see censoring them gives them the foothold - they cry that they are the victims and others then fall for it. They will always find a way to get their message across. You know Geert Wilders? Remember when he was banned from the UK earlier this year he got 100 times MORE press than he would have ever done if he would have been aloud in. The same is happening with Griffin. Count the number of interviews he gave last night, how much free publicity did UAF give him?

I didn't say that one should have the freedom to remove another's freedom. I said one should have the freedom to speak freely. Why shouldn't they? Constitutionally racial equality should be protected, but if a neo-nazi want's to say that he disagrees then why should we deny that?

Oh how ironic - you moan how fascists deny the freedom to others then in the next breath deny fascists their own freedom. Can't you see that?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Yes. Most of the BNPs voters are working class people who have become disenfranchised with New Labours neoliberal agenda. Most of them are not the racist scum you label them as.

Agreed. Although HLVS never called them racist scum. Although I belive that is his opnion of the leadership and various individuals in the grassroots.


Notice how Griffin's campaign focused much less on racialism and immigration and more on opposing privitisation, social housing etc.


Yes. This is called Populism.
Have a biscuit.



Yes I believe in democracy and freedom of expression - and that includes fascists, racists, Islamist etc. Do you believe in censorship?

Yes. You come tell my little brother he is a "nigger" and I will censor your opinion by beating you senseless.


Should people go to prison for having an opinion?


No they should be shot for acting on their opinion and making life a misery for certain people who really dot deserve to have a hard time.


Clearly I don't agree with ethnic repatriation, but heck if someone else does why should I deny them the right to have such an opinion?

Because you would rather that people were not intimidated by racist ****s nor that kids who are unable to defend themselves against such bollocks dont get taken in?


If such were to happen I would challenge them to defend their views and encourage others to do the same. I would protest against their views - but attacking them takes things way too far.

No it dosent. When we get the opportunity to do so without any repercussions we should take it much further and kill them.



But you see censoring them gives them the foothold - they cry that they are the victims and others then fall for it.

They will always cry something. This time it may as well be real, we really are removing there influence from public. (Although this could be done much more effectively if we had a large leftist movement)


They will always find a way to get their message across. You know Geert Wilders? Remember when he was banned from the UK earlier this year he got 100 times MORE press than he would have ever done if he would have been aloud in.

I completely forgot about him. Also the media even ****s such as the express will critize the BNP because it makes them look good (I even saw the express calling griffin a bigot on the front page today!)


The same is happening with Griffin. Count the number of interviews he gave last night, how much free publicity did UAF give him?

How much publicity did the media allow him to have?




I didn't say that one should have the freedom to remove another's freedom. I said one should have the freedom to speak freely. Why shouldn't they?

Well under Capitalism where we dont have the power to make them shut the fuck up permanently we should oppose any State enforced censorship even against fash because any censorship will soon be applied to us if it becomes common practice. However under Communism they should not have the freedom to speech because we will have the freedom to stop them having that freedom


Constitutionally racial equality should be protected, but if a neo-nazi want's to say that he disagrees then why should we deny that?

Because I dont want some **** telling my mates how they should be deported , engage in unnatural activities and should be sitting in the kitchen while looking after kids?




Oh how ironic - you moan how fascists deny the freedom to others then in the next breath deny fascists their own freedom. Can't you see that?


By main issue against fash is not that they do censorship (of course they do what else would you expect them to do - hand out sweets?) but that they split the working class and destroy any working class movement.

We want to win and hang those ruling class hacks not have any mental-masturbatory moral highground.

[Iowa656]

Yes. This is called Populism.
Have a biscuit.

Yes I know it is. There's no need to be patronising. I was pointing out that Griffin kindly forgot his most radical policies to get elected.



Yes. You come tell my little brother he is a "nigger" and I will censor your opinion by beating you senseless.

Would you really? Does that give you the moral high ground? We've all be bullied in the past, some more than others. The solution is to stand up to the bullies and tell them how they are wrong - not force them through violently.



No they should be shot for acting on their opinion and making life a misery for certain people who really dot deserve to have a hard time.

I didn't say that people should act in any way they wish to. I said people should be protected to have freedom of expression. There's a difference.



Because you would rather that people were not intimidated by racist ****s nor that kids who are unable to defend themselves against such bollocks dont get taken in?

Racism breeds from fear and lack of education. I fully believe that a society with full educational equality would have a dramatic decrease in racist behaviour. Look to the states - 99.99% of people don't take the Klan seriously and never listen to their tripe. There's no need to censor them.


it dosent. When we get the opportunity to do so without any repercussions we should take it much further and kill them.

Sorry "we", implying my involvement -which I completely detest, should kill whom? For what? Are you telling me that if someone stands up and says "deport all Blacks", that we should kill them? Oh, please.



They will always cry something. This time it may as well be real, we really are removing there influence from public. (Although this could be done much more effectively if we had a large leftist movement)

"Removing their influence"? Are you having a laugh? Griffin got 10 times the press because of the attack on him.



I completely forgot about him. Also the media even ****s such as the express will critize the BNP because it makes them look good (I even saw the express calling griffin a bigot on the front page today!)

I staunchly disagree with Wilders, but I'd much rather debate him than have him silenced. I don't think the papers criticise people to "look good".



How much publicity did the media allow him to have?

It was a big news story. When was the last time a MEP, or even any elected official was attacked with eggs?

So people we disagree with should have no media time? What about David Cameron, should we ban him giving interviews as well?




Well under Capitalism where we dont have the power to make them shut the fuck up permanently we should oppose any State enforced censorship even against fash because any censorship will soon be applied to us if it becomes common practice. However under Communism they should not have the freedom to speech because we will have the freedom to stop them having that freedom

"shut the fuck up permanently" More political killing yes?

What? You're saying that "we" should have the freedom to remove anthers freedom? Get a dictionary and look up freedom bub.



Because I dont want some **** telling my mates how they should be deported , engage in unnatural activities and should be sitting in the kitchen while looking after kids?

Neither do I. Plenty of my friends are from "ethnic minorities", but instead of silencing the BNP why not question and debate them? Are you afraid of them? If they have such stupid policies then why can't you defeat them in debate? And if the BNP don't listen to your arguments - then you will to the audience emerge the winner. Simple.




By main issue against fash is not that they do censorship (of course they do what else would you expect them to do - hand out sweets?) but that they split the working class and destroy any working class movement.

Yes they divide the working class movement. But so do the Neo-Cons. It is our job to defeat them in debate and to convince the workers that dividing amongst them selves is counter-productive.



We want to win and hang those ruling class hacks not have any mental-masturbatory moral highground.

I for one at least, don't want to hang anyone. Ever. Do you not believe in morals? I want to ask you, do you know another communication tool bar violence?

[Iowa656]

It seems the Times has already done this;

Does egg-pelting help the BNP?

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2009/06/does-eggpelting-help-the-bnp.html

Be sure to read the comments at the bottom.

[Zurdito]

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

I despise the BNP as much as the next person, but the way to defeat them is through debate - demonstrating how and why they are wrong. Not attacking them. Can't you see how this attack played right into their hands?

Tell that to Oswald Mosely.

[Old Man Diogenes]

Well done, pelt them like the racist thugs they are. Ha ha!

[Mansfield Red]

I'll just mirror what others have said, they should have been huge bastard slabs of concrete and stones. I'm actually quite suprised the UAF have done something other than stand about waving purple signs.

[Old Man Diogenes]

If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all. ~Noam Chomsky

I despise the BNP as much as the next person, but the way to defeat them is through debate - demonstrating how and why they are wrong. Not attacking them. Can't you see how this attack played right into their hands?

I agree, they will use this attack, and debate is preferrable. But I can't say I didn't want them to get pelted with something.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Oh yes I am going to have fun.




Yes I know it is. There's no need to be patronising. I was pointing out that Griffin kindly forgot his most radical policies to get elected.

Patronizing the users of the board will get you patronized in return.





Would you really? Does that give you the moral high ground? We've all be bullied in the past, some more than others. The solution is to stand up to the bullies and tell them how they are wrong - not force them through violently.

Why would I want to speak to someone who is doing something like I previously mentioned. I would get my head kicked in as well as not acomplish anything. Removing them from working class communities does alot more then telling them why the are wrong (fash are not rational people henceforth you cannot use rational debate to deal with them.

Oh and you know I dont give a fuck about any moral highground. I am a communist not a member of the green party.





I didn't say that people should act in any way they wish to. I said people should be protected to have freedom of expression. There's a difference.


Some expression does make peoples lives a misery.




Racism breeds from fear and lack of education.

Some of the most high profile racists have very high standard education. Obviously though teaching kids not to be racist fucks is an important thing that should be done in school and at home. However I have no desire to set up re-education camps post revolution and as a result some of the ****s will still exist and will pose a threat that needs to be delt with.




I fully believe that a society with full educational equality would have a dramatic decrease in racist behaviour. Look to the states - 99.99% of people don't take the Klan seriously and never listen to their tripe. There's no need to censor them.

Theres a need to stop them from hanging black people again , shooting communists and various other activities they would not partake in if they were dead or unable to organize , publicly speak etc.






Sorry "we", implying my involvement -which I completely detest, should kill whom? For what? Are you telling me that if someone stands up and says "deport all Blacks", that we should kill them? Oh, please.


I was using we as in communists which obviously does not include moralists like yourself. No I am not suggesting executing every racist piece of shit despite the temptation (circulating who they are and their details should be enough as well as stopping them from working in any collective accociated with the commune henceforth stopping them from getting any food , electricity etc). No I am suggesting the moment we can get away with it we find the senior members of every fash group such as the BNP , front and even the small sects and shoot them. This will send out a "dont fuck with us" message which we will need after staging a revolution which many very powerful armed countries and groups will see as a political yell of "fucking come on then".







"Removing their influence"? Are you having a laugh? Griffin got 10 times the press because of the attack on him.


Better in the paper then on the streets.




I staunchly disagree with Wilders, but I'd much rather debate him than have him silenced. I don't think the papers criticise people to "look good".


Yes they do. Do you think they do it because they give a fuck about informing you of events or do you think they do it to try and rake in as much money as possible?




It was a big news story. When was the last time a MEP, or even any elected official was attacked with eggs?

I think it was John Prescott but plane stupid threw something over someone earlier this year.


So people we disagree with should have no media time? What about David Cameron, should we ban him giving interviews as well?

Better. This **** is worth then griffin will ever be. We dont just ban him giving interviews we shoot him in a crowded stadium ,show live on TV on as many channels as possible and broadcast it on the radio.





"shut the fuck up permanently" More political killing yes?

Yup you get the idea.


What? You're saying that "we" should have the freedom to remove anthers freedom? Get a dictionary and look up freedom bub.

I dont want these people to have freedom I want them preferably dead. These people are class enemies and in a class war they should be treated as such. Yes in war (a war in which we should win not lose because of moralistic cowardice) people get killed, infact right now people are being killed people from the working class in accommodation that resmebls fucking industrial farms , in workplace where the employer decides that any more workplace safety will reduce profits and on protests where thugs assult people with batons. Quite simply they are killing us an if we want to win we need to return the favour as much as possible.





Neither do I. Plenty of my friends are from "ethnic minorities", but instead of silencing the BNP why not question and debate them?

1. When somone insults you enough you hit them. When someone says your mother is a piece of shit you dont argue with them and persude them your mother is not a piece of shit , no you kick their fucking head in.

2. We can beat the BNPers in debate piss easy infact i do so regularly on various internet fourms. However losing a debate does not remove influence.



Are you afraid of them? If they have such stupid policies then why can't you defeat them in debate? And if the BNP don't listen to your arguments - then you will to the audience emerge the winner. Simple.


What audience? The group of people gathering round to mutter to themselves and call an ambulance because the situation has got like it has in some parts of Russia?







Yes they divide the working class movement. But so do the Neo-Cons. It is our job to defeat them in debate and to convince the workers that dividing amongst them selves is counter-productive.



Yes it is. I also quite like the orthodox way of winning a war which is funnily enough killing the enemy.



I for one at least, don't want to hang anyone. Ever. Do you not believe in morals? I want to ask you, do you know another communication tool bar violence?


Yes I know other means then violence which are useful in building our movement in dealing with the movements of those who are currently murdering our class I will quite happily resort to violent means as they are the most apporpriate.

No I dont believe in morals in politics they lead to stupidity and failure.

[Vanguard1917]

I despise the BNP as much as the next person, but the way to defeat them is through debate - demonstrating how and why they are wrong.

You mean serious political confrontation? That's something UAF -- which recieves backing from all the main establishment parties, each of whom support the anti-immigrant police state and represent a far greater threat to immigrants than Nick Griffin et al ever have -- doesn't do.

All the eggs in the world will not challenge the reasons from which the BNP's support stems. Principled politics is needed for that. For example, how about trying to win some mass support for an open-door immigration policy and the immediate end to all anti-immigrant laws?

[RedAldo]

Brilliant, Should have beat the little holocaust denier up though.

[IrishWorker]

Fair play to all involved yous are a credit to the left.

[Zurdito]

You mean serious political confrontation? That's something UAF -- which recieves backing from all the main establishment parties, each of whom support the anti-immigrant police state and represent a far greater threat to immigrants than Nick Griffin et al ever have -- doesn't do.

All the eggs in the world will not challenge the reasons from which the BNP's support stems. Principled politics is needed for that. For example, how about trying to win some mass support for an open-door immigration policy and the immediate end to all anti-immigrant laws?

I was watching Martin Smith of the UAF/SWP the other day on google video, being interviewed by Paxman. One of his lines was that he is for free speech for everyone but the BNP because they are "not like other parties" and are "revolutionary fascists who want a new social order". ]

Way to make them seem appealing!:(

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

I don't see why we should be advocating the violent censorship of right-wing extremists when the moderate working class are just as likely to support our censorship as they are the censorship of the right-wing.

There's also a difference between directly insulting someone for the purpose of a psychological attack and simply communicating the opinion that another group is inferior.

The question is how to deal with fascism. I honestly don't know. I do know it's disturbing how people celebrate the violence of individuals. Even if you shot Hitler, he was still a human being. You should be upset that it was necessary to shoot Hitler.

Cheering that fascism was fought against is one thing. Celebrating that people got physically assaulted is entirely different.

[teenagebricks]

This country requires a true antifascist movement, one that never compromises, like Antifa, but is strong and well known, like the UAF, the best of both worlds. It can happen too, there are more than enough left wingers to build a real movement against the fash, it doesn't matter what you are, Anarchist, Trotsky, Stalinist, in terms of sheer numbers, the raw materials needed to fight fascism are definitely available, and there is popular support for it too. Believe it or not most British people still hate the BNP and see them as racist, the growing presence of blacks, Asians, etc is also helping because naturally they support antifascism, 95% of comments on news blogs are in support of Griffin but that's only because of the fascists' massive web presence. The 43 Group had over 800 militants within a year of being established, the fight against the National Front in the 1970s was also very popular, it isn't a question of whether or not it can happen, because everyone knows it can, the question is will it happen?

[Melbourne Lefty]

does anyone else get the feeling that hitting th BNP with Eggs is a rather better way to go than bricks?

After all, do we want Griffin looking bleeding stupid on the front page of the paper or just plain bleeding and getting publicity.

[Pogue]

This country requires a true antifascist movement, one that never compromises, like Antifa, but is strong and well known, like the UAF, the best of both worlds. It can happen too, there are more than enough left wingers to build a real movement against the fash, it doesn't matter what you are, Anarchist, Trotsky, Stalinist, in terms of sheer numbers, the raw materials needed to fight fascism are definitely available, and there is popular support for it too. Believe it or not most British people still hate the BNP and see them as racist, the growing presence of blacks, Asians, etc is also helping because naturally they support antifascism, 95% of comments on news blogs are in support of Griffin but that's only because of the fascists' massive web presence. The 43 Group had over 800 militants within a year of being established, the fight against the National Front in the 1970s was also very popular, it isn't a question of whether or not it can happen, because everyone knows it can, the question is will it happen?

Sure it'll happen but it will have to grow out of a period of class struggle, otherwise it will be artificial and either wont happen or will happen but will collapse.

[RedArmyUK]

does anyone else get the feeling that hitting th BNP with Eggs is a rather better way to go than bricks?

After all, do we want Griffin looking bleeding stupid on the front page of the paper or just plain bleeding and getting publicity.

The only publicity he should get is when he,s got a coffin stuck to his back.

[Holden Caulfield]

does anyone else get the feeling that hitting th BNP with Eggs is a rather better way to go than bricks?

Yeah. I don't think any of us would want the rap for stoning Griffin. Eggs are somethings everybody can get on board with, that won't get you into any real trouble, and that will get him away from the scene without undue fuss from coppers.

I would hope that eggs would greet Griffin everywhere he goes now, we can make a 'thing of it'.

[Dr Mindbender]

Well i think at the very least they should stop using fresh eggs.

[Melbourne Lefty]

I would hope that eggs would greet Griffin everywhere he goes now, we can make a 'thing of it'.


Oh that would be classic!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

SPREAD THE WORD!


Well i think at the very least they should stop using fresh eggs.


Ugh!

If you want to carry around rotten eggs and risk them breaking in your pocket then good for you...

Yuck!:laugh: