Recommend me some reggae - besides Bob mARley [Archive]

canikickit

27th January 2003, 20:53

:biggrin: Download all the songs.

I'll recommend some specific songs:

[list]Lee Perry - Soul Fire, Roast Fish and Corn Bread, Throw Some Water In, Free Up the Prisoners, Free Up the Weed.
Peter Tosh - his live stuff is the best, but check out this site: http://www.realreggae.com, you can get some great songs here. Get some live stuff by Peter on Kazaa, or even buy an album!
The Upsetters - Lee Perry's studio band. Return of Django, Rastaman Shuffle, Final Weapon - amazing instrumental stuff.
Jimmy Cliff - No Justice, You Can Get It If You Really Want, The Harder They Come
Desmond Dekker - 007 (Shanty Town), Israelites
King Tubby - Psalms of Dub, King at the Controls, Skanking Dub
Augustus Pablo - King Tubby Meets the Rockers Uptown, Skanking Easy, Please Sunrise
Big Youth - Ace 90 Skank/S 90m Skank, I Pray Thee, Pride and Joy Rock
U Roy - Rightful Ruler, Flashing My Whip, Kingston 12 Shuffle[list]

This could go on all night. That's all old stuff. The older stuff is better, reggae is gone shit, with a few exceptions.

ovrproofmentalz

27th January 2003, 22:36

anthony b
sizzla
capleton
dennis brown
luciano
burning spear

canikickit

28th January 2003, 01:36

anthony b
sizzla
capleton
dennis brown
luciano
burning spear

Dennis Brown is also someone who definitely deserves a mention as a representitive of strong, heavy roots. By him I'd recommend Cassandra (and the King Tubby version, Fire from the Observer.

Burning Spear is an absolute, living legend. He is a true hero of reggae. He educated a lot of people about Marcus Garvey, a great socialist, and also sung strong music on a variety of topics. Man in the Hills is one of my personal favourites. He preaches a message of peace where humans would live with nature, rather than against it. There's also, No More War, People Get Ready and Marcus Garvey.

sin miedo

28th January 2003, 03:38

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.

canikickit

28th January 2003, 04:03

I'm just making it up as I go along.

Rebelde para Siempre

28th January 2003, 07:17

Thanks guys. This is good shit.

Eastside Revolt

28th January 2003, 08:06

Barrington levy
Lbda's have some sort of dubby shit.
Guns of Broxton is a dope raggae song.

Dhul Fiqar

28th January 2003, 15:41

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Uhuru na Umoja

28th January 2003, 16:39

I agree with most the reccomendations so far (especially Peter Tosh), but I would suggest a couple more. In particular Eddy Grant is good, although not all his music is traditional reggae songs like "Gimme Hope Jo'Anna" are classic reggae. Also I'd suggest a band called Inner Circle... they've got some really good songs.

canikickit

28th January 2003, 20:31

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Hee, hee, hee the ultimate emoticon, and I thought this one was good :cool:

I don't think Eddy Grant really knows what reggae is, but some of his songs are okay.

Disgustipated

28th January 2003, 21:37

Also worth checking out is Bunny Wailer.

I love the Liberation album.

Also, though not reggae, I recommend Sublime. Kind of a Reggae beat on some songs...good lyrics.

Rastafari

28th January 2003, 23:37

Bunny, Peter, Lee Perry, The Mighty Diamonds, Aswad, Black Uhuru, Burning Spear, some of the Clash stuff, the Upsetters, some Sublime stuff.

Rob

29th January 2003, 01:59

Quote: from canikickit on 8:53 pm on Jan. 27, 2003
That's all old stuff. The older stuff is better, reggae is gone shit, with a few exceptions.

I agree entirely.

Eastside Revolt

29th January 2003, 04:48

It could always come back, I have a theory that reggae has always been around in one form or another.

canikickit

29th January 2003, 05:25

Of course it has, man. It's called music.

The power of music straight from the heart is one that lingers deep within you forever and ever.

But I think the time for reggae has passed. That's why I'm desperately trying to get as many of the songs as possible.

Here is my special list of all-time-must-have-classic-reggae-songs 1970-1979:[list]

Max Romeo - War ina Babylon
Junior Murvin - Police and Thieves
The Wailers - Trenchtown Rock
Junior Byles - Curly Locks
Big Youth - Ace (S)90 Skank
Bob Marley and the Wailers - One Love
Johnny Clarke - Move Out of Babylon
Dennis Brown - Money in my Pocket
King Tubby - A Better Version
Gregory Isaacs - Mr. Slave Driver
Niney the Observer - Blood and Fire
Okay, I'll admit it, I'm showing off.[list]

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sin miedo

29th January 2003, 16:34

Great, now he's gonna be using that all the time. Good job Dhul.

Rastafari

29th January 2003, 21:00

"reggae is the music of the first and the last, it was and forever shall be"
-Peter Tosh

as for really good reggae songs in the 70's, let's do all Bob Marley, all Peter Tosh, some Bunny, some Jimmy Cliff, and various sundry one or two good song bands.

The 80's were really just as good for Roots Rock Reggae, because the last Bob Marley albums (my favorite, though they all are godly) and a lot of Peter Tosh stuff was released. Also, new bands like Aswad (who actually started back in the 70's), Black Uhuru, and Burning Spear did some good stuff.

Dhul Fiqar

30th January 2003, 10:47

Yeah, but the eighties heralded the birth of the synthesizer dominated type of reggae that I'm sure we all hate with a passion...

--- G.

sin miedo

30th January 2003, 18:15

What are you talking about, UB40 is the greatest band ever!!!! Synthesizers and keyboards are god's own invention!!

canikickit

30th January 2003, 21:20

The eighties were fucking horrible. Fucking useless, utter trash, disgusting and disgraceful.

Okay, there were a few good songs.

I have a few live tracks from the likes of the Gladiators and Israel Vibration and Big Youth and Burning Spear probably did some good stuff then as well (he's a genius).

But all Burning Spear's greatest stuff was recorded in the seventies. Man in the Hills and Marcus Garvey and the Studio One LP, Burning Spear.

I also have a great King Tubby album from the eighties. It's very heavy and minimal dub, and quite different to a lot of his earlier stuff (to my connoisseur's ear at least). He recorded it with the Roots Radics.

The reasons for the decline of reggae are quite obvious. cocaine and the Colombians. The Colombian cartels were aware of the Jamaicans skills at smuggling ganja, and took a few of them into the fold, using the island as a stop-over on the way to Miami. They often were paid with guns which made their way directly onto the streets. The music became about sex and guns.

People abused cocaine and the message of "one love" was set aside. I guess Bob's death left a lot of people lost, and foreign support for the music disappeared.

Of course Dennis Brown and Gregory Isaacs used cocaine, and were still quite excellent. I guess there was a change in the atmosphere of the island.

There was something else.....Yellowman makes me sick.

:biggrin:

Computers, as well, fucked up the music. Reggae has to be natural.

Synthesisers are sickening.

Dhul Fiqar

31st January 2003, 11:51

Well said.

--- G.

El Brujo

31st January 2003, 15:44

Check out The Congo's and The Toyes (the latter played the original version of "Smoke Two Joints")

Uhuru na Umoja

31st January 2003, 17:11

I have to say that I cannot possibly forgive Jimmy Cliff for the version of "No Woman, No Cry" he sang. That was an abomination and an insult both to Bob Marley and reggae.

Rastafari

31st January 2003, 19:02

Very true comments here. The 80's were good for the music, but horrible for circumstance. UB40 sucked as much ass as possible, those prepuberty fuckers. Synthesizers instead of Horns destroys the music (If you want an example, go to Bunny Wailer plays The Wailers three disc set. Here we see Bunny, who is very talented in his own stead, turning to the infernal machine.) The 70's weren't exactly all happy, either, because Jah Rastafari was assasinated (by a communist insurgence) in the later years of that decade (1977). Now I won't get into the whole politics of the issue, each party had their own faults and rights, and even though I am a very strong supporter of socialist causes throughout the world, I think that they could have picked another government to topple at that time. Regardless, this whole thing sent many Rastafarians into doubt and for many, it strengthened their faith-similar to the death of Christ, I guess. A lot of the music from that point became an even stronger reassurance that Jah Lives and much of it also began to increasingly center on political turmoil that capitalism has let loose on the world. (Paraphrased from Leonard K. Barrett's The Rastafarians, a really good book).

Rastafari

31st January 2003, 19:04

Oh, the only Yellowman I like is the "Blood Stain" song. Besides that, he turned Dancehall and reggae in general into what we have come to expect from other music today...shit

canikickit

31st January 2003, 20:38

Check out The Congo's and The Toyes (the latter played the original version of "Smoke Two Joints"

The Congos are one of the best groups ever to come out of Jamaica. Are you familiar with the Lee Perry produced stuff? It's amazing.

Some of Yellowman's riddims are okay (although they lack the "naturality" of real reggae), but I can't really stand the vocals.

If someones going to talk over a record thgey need style, like Big Youth or U Roy, Dillinger, or Dennis Alcapone.

canikickit

1st February 2003, 01:42

"Don't fight gainst the Rastaman with him culture music, cause the Rastaman no mean no harm, what Rastaman want to do is calm the storm."

--Albert "Apple" Craig

Albert Craig talks a little about more modern sounding music, and the effects of newer technology in this article:

http://incolor.inebraska.com/cvanpelt/IVibes.html

Albert Craig sang with Israel Vibration, one of the leading lights of the late seventies. Check out the early Israel Vibration song; "Same Song", or even "Same Vibe", the U Roy version.

Rastafari

2nd February 2003, 02:58

How about "Third World"? They are an average group from pretty far back

canikickit

2nd February 2003, 18:04

They're a bit too pop sounding for me. I'm not that familiar with their stuff, but they have a performance on the Roots, Rock, Reggae documentry which is pretty good.
They were uptown guys though, they don't have the same 'feel'.

Rastafari

2nd February 2003, 23:28

True, a lot of Brit Reggae has that same feeling too it, but some of it is pretty good. Have you seen the Teil Reggae Sunsplash Documentary, btw? It has some pretty good stuff on it.
Its called "Reggae By Bus" or something hoakilly similar
(Edited by Rastafari at 11:30 pm on Feb. 2, 2003)

(Edited by Rastafari at 12:20 am on Feb. 3, 2003)

canikickit

4th February 2003, 01:28

No, I haven't seen that.

The main reggae related videos I've seen have been:
[list]Rockers
Roots, Rock, Reggae
The Harder They Come[list]

It pisses me off a lot the way there's so little footage around of the good old days, even interviews and shit are very limited.
I've seen a couple of Bob-related videos though naturally, not surprisingly there are more videos of him alone then the other artists of 20 years of music. Fucking lousy pieces of shit, it drives me insane.

some good videos though, the recording of Catch a Fire, I'd definitely recommend that.

Rastafari

4th February 2003, 02:15

I have already seen a version of that, not affiliated with Tuff Gong, in a series of great albums. They talk to Chris Whitebad (as Tosh would call him) for about 1/2 of it, hairy-chested motherfucker. But they do have Bunny play Slave Driver and several others, which is pretty cool

canikickit

4th February 2003, 02:26

Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. It's fucking brilliant, I love it, I think Chris Blackwell did a great job on the album (with Bob's help of course).

I love when Familyman is talking about music as painting a picture; he says "It's like a picture, but what shade of red, what shade of green and what shade of gold" then he just breaks his shit laughing. I think it's a great moment, makes me laugh, every time.

I just found a lot of the interviews to be like that, a real feeling about what was going on.

Like when Peter's girlfriend says Bob used to always push to be lead singer on all their songs. If you listen to Stop That Train and 400 Years off that album closely, you can hear Bob singing all pissed off in the background.

Rastafari

4th February 2003, 03:16

Yeah, and they interview the overrdub musicians, too. That's good. But I always had a problem liking Chris Blackwell, to be honest with you. He just recently got inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame, largely because of other people's talents. This interview is a lot better than VH1's behind the music, however, where they spend 15 minutes down Cindy Breakspeare's Pants.

canikickit

4th February 2003, 03:20

Ha, ha, yeah, I've seen that one before. I gotta say I love all those videos though. Just the footage of the musicians and the rastas and what not.

Actually another video I have is Heartland Reggae, which is pretty amazing. It's got Peter Tosh, Bob, U Roy, Marcia griffiths (solo), Dennis Brown, probably some I'm forgetting. That's definitely worth looking at. U Roy has a fantastic version of Soul Rebel.

Rastafari

4th February 2003, 03:39

U Roy and Soul Rebel sounds like a good combination to me. Personally, I watch most of them to hear interviews with the performers, which is rare (except for Tosh, who usually apears a lot). I went to the record shop the other day and saw a Tosh dvd called Steppin' Razor that had 73 minutes of footage on it, but it was 25 bucks, and I was poor. I will probably pick it up sometime, though. I enjoy seeing some of the studio and live performances too, it is good to see how the groups work together and their general onstage dynamics, I think

Dhul Fiqar

4th February 2003, 05:08

That U Roy cover of Soul Rebel is pure genius!

I love how he says:
*awaggadagamadamba* or whatever between the standard lyrics, then goes: "Ya know?"

90% of the audience: "Ehhh... no."

--- G.

reggaetrain

11th April 2003, 20:06

check the album "open the iron gate" by max romeo

junior murvin's "police and thieves" is another

reggaetrain

11th April 2003, 20:08

Ken Boothe's rendition of "Is It Because I'm Black" is powerful, at least IMHO

And, yes, I know this thread is old, but I am new here

Rastafari

11th April 2003, 20:10

Police and Thieves is one of the greatest things ever.

reggaetrain

12th April 2003, 03:20

Socialist Roots Sound System
http://www.socialistroots.com

Umoja

12th April 2003, 03:34

Get some Dancehall stuff up in there. Get "Borderline Mobster" by Bounty Killah and "Sim Simma" by Beanie Man. Infact anything by the two of them is good. Then burning spear is pretty relaxing stuff as well.

Rastafari

12th April 2003, 20:25

Burning Spear has some good dub, man
the entire Marcus Garvey album is a great one

reggaetrain

13th April 2003, 15:23

Speaking of Bounty Killer...

Petty Thief
Outcry
Fed Up
Gunz In The Ghetto
Defend The Poor
Sufferah

All of the above are damn good tunes...

Urban Rubble

22nd April 2003, 01:37

Anyone like the Ethiopians ? Condition Bad a Yard is one of the greatest reggae songs ever written. I really just basically can't stand "reggae" these days, with a few exceptions. Are the Mighty Diamonds still together ? I think they are, if that's true I wonder what they sound like ? About a month ago I saw Don Carlos (Of Black Uhuru) here in Seattle, that was cool.

As for the reggae movies, has anyone ever seen CountryMan ? It's rare but good. Also, not really a reggae movie but Jamaican nontheless, Third World Cop.