The Making of Me

[Il Medico]

Alright, I ran across this on Youtube. It features John Barrowman (one of my favorite actors), star of shows like Doctor Who and Torchwood. He is gay, and this basically was a documentary about why. I found it interesting, and it backs up the fact that homosexuality is from birth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sJnpEc2fZAHere is the link.

They did a number of test, on those that can be done at home (finger test, etc) I am curious how many of our gay comrades line up with the findings.

[jake williams]

the fact that homosexuality is from birth
Is that a fact?

[Il Medico]

Is that a fact?
Yes. It is a scientific fact that homosexuality starts in the womb.

[jake williams]

Yes. It is a scientific fact that homosexuality starts in the womb.
Source?

[Post-Something]

Source?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826613.900-gay-brains-are-hardwired-at-birth.html

[Hit The North]

I saw Barrowman's documentary when it aired several months ago and was struck by the fact that his conclusion was not in accordance with the evidence, which remained extremely ambiguous. As far as I remember there were gay subjects who didn't line up with the biological indicators which were proposed.

EDIT: I've just watched it again and I'm struck by how desperate the biological argument gets towards the end. The "amount of brothers" thesis is particularly tragic. When the scientist guy says, "Because, when you think about it, a woman carrying a male foetus, it's kinda like she's carrying foreign tissue..." I LOL'd. According to this reasoning, a man with O negative blood who requires a blood transfusion, should only take the O-neg blood from another male as a female's O-neg blood might cause an immunity crisis. Pur-lease!

Post-Something, that link doesn't satisfy me:

To get round this, Savic and her colleague, Per Lindström, chose to measure brain features that are probably fixed at birth. "That was the whole point of the study, ...Probably fixed at birth? Which brain functions?

[jake williams]

I should make it clear that my understanding is that there is much ambiguity in what shapes the development of sexuality, with prenatal conditions quite possibly a major one but almost certainly not the only ones. I also see a lot of bad evidence (or just a declaration) that it's all birth, and I'm not comfortable with that. I'm also very interested on the folks standing up and saying, it shouldn't matter at all what causes it. I don't necessarily agree, but they make good points.

[Il Medico]

Here is an article on a possible biological cause. This cause was not mentioned in the documentary.


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_n9_v140/ai_11315232/

It talks about the hypothalamus, which controls sex drive among other things. The hypothalamus develops (with the rest of the brain) in the womb. So whether it is a cause or effect of homosexuality, it proves it is from birth.

[mel]

Here is an article on a possible biological cause. This cause was not mentioned in the documentary.



It talks about the hypothalamus, which controls sex drive among other things. The hypothalamus develops (with the rest of the brain) in the womb. So whether it is a cause or effect of homosexuality, it proves it is from birth.

Maybe. It doesn't matter at all if it's from birth though, who gives a fuck? Nothing is worth denying anybody any rights over, even if it were a conscious choice why should it matter?

[Technocrat]

Maybe. It doesn't matter at all if it's from birth though, who gives a fuck? Nothing is worth denying anybody any rights over, even if it were a conscious choice why should it matter?

Nothing is worth denying anybody any rights over?

[mel]

Nothing is worth denying anybody any rights over?

I thought given the context of the discussion, that my post would be understood, but since someone has found the need to be pedantic, I guess I'll rephrase:

No matter of solely personal preference, such as gender or sexual identification is worth denying anybody any rights over regardless of the manner in which that gender or sexual identification or preference has come about or at which stage of development that preference has come about.

[Il Medico]

Maybe. It doesn't matter at all if it's from birth though, who gives a fuck? Nothing is worth denying anybody any rights over, even if it were a conscious choice why should it matter?
I agree, but many don't.