the worst President of the U.S.?

[Verix]

So i was curious who do you think the worst President of the United States in its whole history was?
my choices are
1:Andrew jackson: for the trail of tears and such
2:Reagen: for being a huge cappy scumbag and asshole
3:Trueman: for dropping the 2 atomic bombs on japan

[Dimentio]

So i was curious who do you think the worst President of the United States in its whole history was?
my choices are
1:Andrew jackson: for the trail of tears and such
2:Reagen: for being a huge cappy scumbag and asshole
3:Trueman: for dropping the 2 atomic bombs on japan

1. The guy who preceded Lincoln
2. Hoover
3. George W Bush

[GPDP]

Nixon, Reagan, and Bush II. I don't see anyone topping these three.

[Dimentio]

Nixon was quite "good" in foreign policy. Reagan managed to rejuvenerate national morale and strengthen the conviction about America, as well as delivering republican hegemony.

I don't think that "Good" or "Bad" should be about "what do we like and what do we not like", but "what do the ruling class like". Because the American presidents are certainly not put there to serve us. We must judge them according to their purpose.

From the point of view of a majority of the world's population, Genghis Khan was extremely bad. From the point of the view of Mongol tribal leaders and generals, he was very good. Very very good.

[Pogue]

Obama, for being a fucking Muslim Socialist!

:rolleyes:

[Comrade B]

Reagan was the most evil fuck in modern US history
George W. Bush is a disgusting pig who killed thousands with his idiocy
Hoover was also a moron, he failed utterly.
Truman was heartless, killed massive numbers of people, and began the cold war.
These are only out of the presidents of the 21st and 20th century. The sick fucks before that are impossible to compare.

[dog_jones]

Nixon was quite "good" in foreign policy.


How was Nixon good with foreign policy? As far as I'm aware, Nixon sabotaged the Paris Peace Accords to give his own campaign a boost and then failed to bring peace himself for 4 years.

[Dimentio]

He allied with Mao. That is efficient diplomacy.

[GracchusBabeuf]

Those who should be hanged according to the Nuremberg laws (all of them).

[dog_jones]

He allied with Mao. That is efficient diplomacy.

Nixon did not ally with Mao. I think you are talking about the rapproachment between China and America that occurred during the Nixon administration. If that is what you are talking about, our Ping Pong team had a bigger impact on the Chinese / American relationship at the time. Nixon is given way too much credit for his role in the negotiations.

Even if Nixon was primarily responsible for the improved American / Chinese relationship, I don't think it makes up for the fact that Nixon's greedy ambition resulted in the deaths of millions of people in Vietnam.

[Verix]

Nixon did not ally with Mao. I think you are talking about the rapproachment between China and America that occurred during the Nixon administration. If that is what you are talking about, our Ping Pong team had a bigger impact on the Chinese / American relationship at the time. Nixon is given way too much credit for his role in the negotiations.

Even if Nixon was primarily responsible for the improved American / Chinese relationship, I don't think it makes up for the fact that Nixon's greedy ambition resulted in the deaths of millions of people in Vietnam.

accually that was mostly LBJ who was responable for the vietnam war, nixion just made it worse

[Robespierre2.0]

From the point of view of the U.S. ruling class, Bush II was by far the most incompetent and damaging. Actually, in perhaps a morbid way, I'm glad he got elected. Had we elected another Clinton-esque democrat, the U.S. might have continued to rule over the world with a firm grip for another 20 years, sticking to coup d'etats and economic pressure instead of outright invasions, which would have probably not alienated the rest of the world as much.
At least now, we can clearly see that the U.S. empire is in decline, and that there's a chance for something new and better to be built in its place, if we can take advantage of this opportunity.

[Il Medico]

21st Century: George W. Bush (I am still giving Obama a Chance)
20th Century: Clinton, George H. W Bush, Roland Regan, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, FDR, Hoover, Calvin Coolidge, Warren G. Harding, Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt
19th Century: Grant, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Perice, Martin Van Burren, Andrew Jackson,.... I am tiered of writing all but Lincoln maybe.

[dog_jones]

accually that was mostly LBJ who was responable for the vietnam war, nixion just made it worse

You miss the point. Nixon contacted the North Vietnamese during the Paris Peace Accords and told them to hold off on making peace with the Johnson administration, promising them a better deal. He then attack the democrats for not achieving peace with the Vietnamese, and when he was elected, he allowed the war to continue for 4 more years.

[redSHARP]

Reagan was the most evil fuck in modern US history
George W. Bush is a disgusting pig who killed thousands with his idiocy
Hoover was also a moron, he failed utterly.
Truman was heartless, killed massive numbers of people, and began the cold war.
These are only out of the presidents of the 21st and 20th century. The sick fucks before that are impossible to compare.

i think truman was a "good" president. if you were in charge and was faced with the choice of land invasion of use "1" nuke (there is substantial debate about the 2nd bomb being needed). it pretty simple mathematics that makes war so fucked up. also, he was able to keep the nation together, started the civil rights agenda with in the military, kept taxes at a decent rate, employment was down even after the war, and was able to keep stalin from starving out west berlin and stopped communist encroachment into greece and turkey. as an american president, from a non-marxist view, he was a great president.

but my vote for worst has to be:
reagan, bush 2, andrew jackson (though he did liberate the country from the national banking system), and andrew johnson for fucking up the post civil war period.

[Verix]

i think truman was a "good" president. if you were in charge and was faced with the choice of land invasion of use "1" nuke (there is substantial debate about the 2nd bomb being needed). it pretty simple mathematics that makes war so fucked up. also, he was able to keep the nation together, started the civil rights agenda with in the military, kept taxes at a decent rate, employment was down even after the war, and was able to keep stalin from starving out west berlin and stopped communist encroachment into greece and turkey. as an american president, from a non-marxist view, he was a great president. .

i dont get why we had to even invade japan, we had taken back every thing they had invaded we had bombed the fucking shit out of them with normal bombs all most all of the major citys were in ruins why could we have just left them alone, i think it had to do more with racism

[RHIZOMES]

They're all class enemies. What the true meaning of this topic is "Which US President was the worst at maintaining capitalism?".

[dog_jones]

i dont get why we had to even invade japan, we had taken back every thing they had invaded we had bombed the fucking shit out of them with normal bombs all most all of the major citys were in ruins why could we have just left them alone, i think it had to do more with racism

At the time, Japan was led by militarist psycopaths who had delusions of world domination. Just allowing them to fester in mainland Japan was not a viable option.

[ZeroNowhere]

FDR, Woodrow Wilson and Obama.

[GPDP]

Wait, so the topic is about who were the worst presidents from a ruling class/mainstream American point of view, not the worst presidents in terms of crimes against humanity and attacks against the working class?

In that case, I'll stick with Bush II still, and add Jimmy Carter and some other useless fuck-up presidents like Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, and Herbert Hoover.

[redSHARP]

i dont get why we had to even invade japan, we had taken back every thing they had invaded we had bombed the fucking shit out of them with normal bombs all most all of the major citys were in ruins why could we have just left them alone, i think it had to do more with racism

yeah, cause a fanatical nation dedicated to worshiping a living god would have totally just called it game, and gave up.:lol: after the causilties and warfare seen in the Philippines, china, Guadalcanal to name a few, the Japanese were not about to just let the allies box them in. the war would have continued with japanese raids against allied ships and personel, and the japanese wonder weapons would have made life a little more annoying. yet, racism did play a part. do you guys think we would have nuked berlin? NO!!!

[Comrade B]

if you were in charge and was faced with the choice of land invasion of use "1" nuke (there is substantial debate about the 2nd bomb being needed)
There were plenty of land targets in Japan that were not occupied by civilians, bomb a military base, as for the second bombing, that was pure sadism, the US didn't even give the Japanese government enough time to find out that the city had been hit before dropping the second bomb.

from a non-marxist view
As Hitler was a great leader from the fascist view

[gorillafuck]

i think truman was a "good" president. if you were in charge and was faced with the choice of land invasion of use "1" nuke (there is substantial debate about the 2nd bomb being needed).
"Careful scholarly treatment of the records and manuscripts opened over the past few years has greatly enhanced our understanding of why Truman administration used atomic weapons against Japan. Experts continue to disagree on some issues, but critical questions have been answered. The consensus among scholars is the that the bomb was not needed to avoid an invasion of Japan. It is clear that alternatives to the bomb existed and that Truman and his advisers knew it."
- J. Samuel Walker

[Glenn Beck]

So i was curious who do you think the worst President of the United States in its whole history was?


Stalin

[JimmyJazz]

what a novel idea for a thread

anyway, it's a toss up between John Quincy Adams and Chester A. Arthur

[Incendiarism]

JFK because he hated cuba

[MarxSchmarx]

1. The guy who preceded Lincoln

That would be James Buchanan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan). I thought it was Martin van Buren, which just goes to show how little I know about American history :blushing:

[More Fire for the People]

Reagan-Hoover-Hayes

[Verix]

Wait, so the topic is about who were the worst presidents from a ruling class/mainstream American point of view, not the worst presidents in terms of crimes against humanity and attacks against the working class?

In that case, I'll stick with Bush II still, and add Jimmy Carter and some other useless fuck-up presidents like Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, and Herbert Hoover.
i heard a rumor that Jimmy Carter was planning to legalize pot had he been elected for another term not sure how true it is

[Comrade B]

JFK because he hated cuba
They all do. Look at US foreign policy documents, they make every attempt they can to not even mention the country (they use terminology like "Small Caribbean island countries")