article on national anarchists

[redSHARP]

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=1058

the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote an article about the rising national anarchist movement in the USA. its interesting to note that this is becoming a new trend, but more importantly it explains it roots. if we know the roots of the problem, then we can kill it before it grows.

[hugsandmarxism]

Ugh. First the Naz-Bols, now these "National Anarchists." I suppose fascists nowadays are tired of their own symbols, and want to borrow ours for some reason. :thumbdown: We need to be vigilant in explaining to those not informed on leftist politics that these people have NOTHING to do with anarchism or communism.

[JimmyJazz]

Ugh. First the Naz-Bols, now these "National Anarchists." I suppose fascists nowadays are tired of their own symbols, and want to borrow ours for some reason. :thumbdown:

On Stormfront I saw one of these guys from San Fransisco explicitly say that he uses the "words and symbols" of the Left in order to create confusion.

[hugsandmarxism]

On Stormfront I saw one of these guys from San Fransisco explicitly say that he uses the "words and symbols" of the Left in order to create confusion.

Yeah, not that new of a tactic when you think about it

[Jack]

Why have BANA types not been curbed yet, that would curb the problem.

[redSHARP]

my question is why were they at the anarchist bookfair?:thumbdown: wouldnt the real anarchist boot them out?!

[StalinFanboy]

If they were at the book fair, they were keeping quiet. BANA are a bunch of blowhards that make more noise than anything else. I mean honestly, they were celebrating having set up their first free box. I keep an eye on them, but I don't take them too seriously. I'm hoping they show up at an event that my crew is at so we can have a little "get together."

[StalinFanboy]

Why have BANA types not been curbed yet, that would curb the problem.
They keep very quiet. And I think there are about 9 or 10 total throughout the bay area.

[StalinFanboy]

Here's there response to the above article.


http://bayareanationalanarchists.com/blog/2009/05/national-anarchism-an-article.html


hahahahaha

[Melbourne Lefty]

Here's there response to the above article.


http://bayareanationalanarchists.com/blog/2009/05/national-anarchism-an-article.html


hahahahaha

yup, pretty weak.

I reckon I could done better for them...:lol:

[redSHARP]

so they are racist tools who should be stopped and revealed for the scum they are?

[Rjevan]

Here in Germany they are marching hand in hand with the NPD, last time on 1st May on the side of the fascists and thy are not even trying to present themselves as "beyond left and right":



German Authorities Warn of Rise of 'Anarchist' Neo-Nazis

New figures from Germany's domestic intelligence agency show that the number of far-right crimes in Germany increased by 16 percent in 2008. Officials warn of the rise of Black Bloc-style "anarchist" neo-Nazis who actively seek violence at demonstrations.

Authorities in Germany have warned of a worrying new tendency within the far-right scene -- the rise of violent "anarchist" neo-Nazis.

Heinz Fromm, the president of Germany's domestic intelligence agency, the Office for the Protection of the Constitution, warned Tuesday of a "new phenomenon" within the far-right scene. Presenting the agency's 2008 report in Berlin, he said that over the last two years a scene had emerged of "anarchist" neo-Nazis who dress similarly to the so-called Black Bloc of far-left anarchists and who deliberately seek violence at demonstrations. He put the number of so-called "right-wing anarchists" at between 400 and 500 people.

[Jack]

BAHAHA:

"CLAIM:

"Practicing full-blown entryism, they marched between groups carrying the Palestinian flag and the gay-pride flag, while shouting, "Fuck, Fuck, Fuck Zionism!""

FACT:

The exact phrase was "Fuck, Fuck, Zionism!"

[Tjis]

In reality, although militant street action has been a favored and much-noticed tactic of some anarchist groups, most anarchists are less interested in smashing the state than in learning to live outside it. They scavenge surplus groceries for their meals, squat in abandoned buildings and construct pirate radio stations.

...What?

[redSHARP]

fucking crimethinkers!!! they are nothing better than hippies!!! this not the image we want when presented to the public; neither violent savages, or dumpster diving hippies. to be fair, i love dumpster diving for furniture (i got a PS2 once by dumpster diving)

should we adopt new "mottos" and style to look presentable to the masses we want to reach?

[thundertail19921]

I thought this was a really interesting article. Definitely.

[Red October]

They sound like a bunch of wankers, why was this allowed at the anarchist bookfair? Did they catch shit or did people leave them alone?

[An archist]

Well, them being at the anarchist bookfair could also mean that a couple of them went there without looking like fash and then wrote something about it on their website.

[Red October]

Well, them being at the anarchist bookfair could also mean that a couple of them went there without looking like fash and then wrote something about it on their website.

Yeah, but if they actually had a booth there and were open about it, I'd be a little worried that no one bothered to do anything about it.

[redSHARP]

well there banner symbol is the white power celtic cross. what self respecting antifascist doesnt know white power symbols?!!

[A_Ciarra]

Informative thread, thanks! :thumbup: And it's good to see there are people on top of this here. Yay to the vigilant wing.
:star:

[StalinFanboy]

Yeah, but if they actually had a booth there and were open about it, I'd be a little worried that no one bothered to do anything about it.
They didn't have their own booth. There was a booth of market anarchists, and my crew suspects one or two of them may have been national anarchists.

But believe me, they were NOT vocal about their presence.


fucking crimethinkers!!! they are nothing better than hippies!!! this not the image we want when presented to the public; neither violent savages, or dumpster diving hippies. to be fair, i love dumpster diving for furniture (i got a PS2 once by dumpster diving)

should we adopt new "mottos" and style to look presentable to the masses we want to reach?

What?

[A_Ciarra]

Should we adopt new "mottos" and style to look presentable to the masses we want to reach?

That would go a ways in cutting back the myth the anarchist's or skins want chaos. I almost think people can digest Chomsky better because he looks so everyday. I don't much care for all of Chomsky's politics but I think it's definitely easier for people to hear what he has to say without knee jerk reactions that he's dangerous.

[9]

That would go a ways in cutting back the myth the anarchist's or skins want chaos. I almost think people can digest Chomsky better because he looks so everyday. I don't much care for all of Chomsky's politics but I think it's definitely easier for people to hear what he has to say without knee jerk reactions that he's dangerous.

Does Chomsky even have politics? I've read quite a bit of his work, and as far as I remember, it's all been fact-based analysis and critique of US economics and imperialism (the two essentially being inseparable). I know he sympathizes with anarcho-syndicalism, but I've never actually heard him articulate "his" politics, not in any way that's ideological anyway.

On the topic, though, it is funny how the far right fascists are reinventing some leftist terminology. I'm quite happy staying away from sectarian labels altogether, and this just makes me happier to do so. When they start utilizing the "left" designation, though, I will certainly worry.

[A_Ciarra]

Does Chomsky even have politics? I've read quite a bit of his work, and as far as I remember, it's all been fact-based analysis and critique of US economics and imperialism (the two essentially being inseparable). I know he sympathizes with anarcho-syndicalism, but I've never actually heard him articulate "his" politics, not in any way that's ideological anyway.

I agree. He has political views to be sure, his role has been actually very removed from political action (I think he was political when younger). Technically being political means becoming involved in the system, or ones ones own groups and such to concretely affect change. His role (at least in his later life) seems to be more to get people to think before they just blindly follow.


On the topic, though, it is funny how the far right fascists are reinventing some leftist terminology. I'm quite happy staying away from sectarian labels altogether, and this just makes me happier to do so. When they start utilizing the "left" designation, though, I will certainly worry.It's odd how the right is beginning to package their views as almost leftist, it's like it's not always subversive, but guilt driven too. It almost suggests a growing collective awareness that moving left is becoming recognized as the better path.

The truly subversive right, will definitely make full out moves to package themselves as leftists more and more to trip as many people up as they possibly can. This should definitely figure strongly into tactics awareness in all leftist study groups - and be preempted. It will be hard though because it will cause lefties to be become pretty suspicious of people they don't want to alienate. So hand in hand with preempting this shit, people will have to know their politics through and through (and teach that to others) so wolves can be spotted immediately. Historically the top destructive force in leftist movements is for subversionaries to provoke suspicion within groups, and tear them up that way.

[Manzil]

Saw an online reference to a group called the English National Resistance that seems to fit in with this theme of 'national anarchism'. Just looks like a conscious attempt to emulate black bloc presentation and methods. Dunno how successful they'll be outside a core of angry, pubescent misanthropes

That said, I know people who held extreme nationalist or fascist beliefs when they young and pissed off, and basically became the exact opposite and decent human beings. I imagine it's quite a common experience. Far-right politics is all about hatred, of yourself, of 'the other' - unless you're more brick wall than rational person, there are only two ways it can end: complete burnout (who can be angry forever?) or a turn to a more positive, emancipatory vision of society. It's only logical they would attempt to stop this by imitating the more recognisable public attributes and attitudes of left-wing politics.

[Melbourne Lefty]

Dunno how successful they'll be outside a core of angry, pubescent misanthropes

Well thats always been the main fash recruiting area.

[9]

Historically the top destructive force in leftist movements is for subversionaries to provoke suspicion within groups, and tear them up that way.

This is an excellent point, and something I worry about frequently. The left is already, how should I put it.. not exactly welcoming to newcomers and outsiders.