Big Brother's Anarachist

[Bitter Ashes]

I couldnt put this anywhere as it really is so comical.

The first contestant on Big Brother tonight described himself as an anarchist in one sentance. In the next he stated his beliefs, starting with this:
"I believe in the free markets"

This guy is a 23 year old entreprenuer in a tie and deerstalker who has an estate with a lake. He's been to Oxford. And yet he thinks that he's an anarchist... who believes in the free market XD

[Pogue]

oh dear, oh dear, oh dear

i can't wait until they let the anarcho-commie in and big brother becomes a left-right war.

[Pogue]

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[Dr Mindbender]

I couldnt put this anywhere as it really is so comical.

The first contestant on Big Brother tonight described himself as an anarchist in one sentance. In the next he stated his beliefs, starting with this:
"I believe in the free markets"

This guy is a 23 year old entreprenuer in a tie and deerstalker who has an estate with a lake. He's been to Oxford. And yet he thinks that he's an anarchist... who believes in the free market XD

He's obviously an anarcho-capitalist, (a Randroid) so he cant be accused of inconsistency.

Not all anarchists are lefties.

[Dr Mindbender]

oh dear, oh dear, oh dear

i can't wait until they let the anarcho-commie in and big brother becomes a left-right war.

Even if there was, you would never see it. C4 censors all the political arguments in the house.

[Bitter Ashes]

Even if there was, you would never see it. C4 censors all the political arguments in the house.
:O
I had no idea of that. Then again, the C4 bourgeois are hardly going to allow the broadcasting of the message of thier own doom are they?

[F9]

He's obviously an anarcho-capitalist, (a Randroid) so he cant be accused of inconsistency.

Not all anarchists are lefties.

non-lefties anarchists arent anarchists!
Anarchism is a leftist ideology!
He isnt an "obvious" ancap only by that, if that would be the case, then genecosta and some others would be restricted not in the CC, even if there are arguments if he is an Anarchist by some!

[Pogue]

He's obviously an anarcho-capitalist, (a Randroid) so he cant be accused of inconsistency.

Not all anarchists are lefties.

Yeh they are. You can't be an anarchist and support capitalism. Its alien to the tradition and also contrary to the ideas of opposing heirachy. Just because you call yourself an anarchist doesn't mean its true - look at national 'anarchists'. Its like me being a revolutionary conservative or a progressive reactionary.

[Dr Mindbender]

:O
I had no idea of that. Then again, the C4 bourgeois are hardly going to allow the broadcasting of the message of thier own doom are they?

The Channel 4 bourgeioise, plus the gang of tabloid newspapers that run a hate campaign against anyone who appears slightly leftist or utters a negative syllable about capitalism.

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/dailyrecord3/sep2007/6/1/FF431F02-0391-7228-433F9C9980F37B34.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00654/news-graphics-2007-_654204a.jpg

[Dr Mindbender]

Yeh they are. You can't be an anarchist and support capitalism. Its alien to the tradition and also contrary to the ideas of opposing heirachy. Just because you call yourself an anarchist doesn't mean its true - look at national 'anarchists'. Its like me being a revolutionary conservative or a progressive reactionary.

anarchism only implies supporting a stateless society.

A stateless and classless society do not require each other in order for it to be classed as anarchism. It just depends if you subscribe to the objectivist philosophy i suppose, which of course i don't.

[Jazzratt]

He isnt an "obvious" ancap only by that, if that would be the case, then genecosta and some others would be restricted not in the CC, even if there are arguments if he is an Anarchist by some!

Does GeneCosta, for all his sins, have a fucking estate with an honest to god motherfucking lake. A lake. This an being an entrepeneur kind of give this dude's game away, no?

In other news, Big Brother is still going?!

[Dóchas]

ye when i heard him make that comment i couldnt help cracking up it was hilarious and sad at the same time!! :laugh:

[Pogue]

anarchism only implies supporting a stateless society.

A stateless and classless society do not require each other in order for it to be classed as anarchism. It just depends if you subscribe to the objectivist philosophy i suppose, which of course i don't.

But it does. Anarchism has no root except for in the socialist movement. It wasn't a bunch of people who decided they simply didn't want government - it was socialists who wanted libertarian organisation to reach socialism. Anarchism has always been opposed to capitalism - and it is by its nature. Capitalism is heirachy and isn't workers control, its not people running their own lives. As I said, you can't take a movements name and put it before 'capitalist' and suddenly become an anarcho-capitalist. if your a capitalist, you cannot also support anarchism and vice verca. It doesn't matter what they say, it's like me saying I am a libertarian Stalinists or revolutionary social democrat (using the modern meaning of the word.)

[ls]

I believe Tommy Sheridan was on one series of bb.

[Dr Mindbender]

I believe Tommy Sheridan was on one series of bb.

Yes he was, for all the good it did the left.

He later revealed the only reason he went on was to 'pay off his student fees'.

Any iota of respect for him as a genuine man of the people fled my mind the moment i heard that. No self respecting leftist would exploit their status to put them in a position of privilege above their fellow workers.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Yes he was, for all the good it did the left.

He later revealed the only reason he went on was to 'pay off his student fees'.

Any iota of respect for him as a genuine man of the people fled my mind the moment i heard that. No self respecting leftist would exploit their status to put them in a position of privilege above their fellow workers.

I'm sorry, but that's fucking stupid. How is "not being in debt" a position of privilege?

[Dr Mindbender]

I'm sorry, but that's fucking stupid. How is "not being in debt" a position of privilege?

Because 99.99999% of students dont have the convienience of being able to ring up Channel 4 and say ''hey can you let me appear on CBB for a few weeks and pay me a shitload of money for doing the square root of fuck all''.

Thats ignoring the fact that TS isnt exactly starving to death as it is.

[The Feral Underclass]

He's obviously an anarcho-capitalist, (a Randroid) so he cant be accused of inconsistency.

Not all anarchists are lefties.

There's no such thing as anarcho-capitalism. I know it's juvenile to make this comparison but it's literally like saying Judeo-Nazi. They are diametrically opposed on a fundamental level. The basis of anarchism is anti-capitalism.

[Dr Mindbender]

There's no such thing as anarcho-capitalism. I know it's juvenile to make this comparison but it's literally like saying Judeo-Nazi. They are diametrically opposed on a fundamental level. The basis of anarchism is anti-capitalism.

Eh, try to explain that to the morass of middle class mom's basement dwellers on youtube that think you can still be mean to the workers and hate the state.

I never realised there was a dichotomy though, my understanding of anarchism was anti-statism; that classlessness was not necessarilly mutually inclusive.

Speaking of judeo-nazis... (http://www.jdl.org/)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Because 99.99999% of students dont have the convienience of being able to ring up Channel 4 and say ''hey can you let me appear on CBB for a few weeks and pay me a shitload of money for doing the square root of fuck all''.

I assume there is some kind of selection process, even for "celebrities", when they apply to go into the Big Brother house. In the absence of any other hypothesis, I'll assume for now that he got lucky.

So if I'm ever in a position where I'm in debt and have the opportunity to get rid of it, I'll make sure to keep my trap shut about it. Hell, I'd do the same even if I wasn't in debt and I got lucky.

Hypothetical: Suppose I were to win the lottery. After that miserable **** Gordon Brown has taken his cut, I'd like to spend whatever's left on what I want. Would you have any objections to this?

[Dr Mindbender]

I assume there is some kind of selection process, even for "celebrities", when they apply to go into the Big Brother house. In the absence of any other hypothesis, I'll assume for now that he got lucky.

Generally, when celebrities go on TV shows like BB they charge an appearance fee. The general public are in no position to make such demands.

That in mind, i doubt celebs go through the same procedure as joe public since they're going on their own terms not C4's.



So if I'm ever in a position where I'm in debt and have the opportunity to get rid of it, I'll make sure to keep my trap shut about it. Hell, I'd do the same even if I wasn't in debt and I got lucky.

Hypothetical: Suppose I were to win the lottery. After that miserable **** Gordon Brown has taken his cut, I'd like to spend whatever's left on what I want. Would you have any objections to this?

Winning the lottery is entirely different cause it's down to luck. My point was that TS is exploiting his status as a celebrity in a way that ordinary people can't.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Generally, when celebrities go on TV shows like BB they charge an appearance fee. The general public are in no position to make such demands.

That in mind, i doubt celebs go through the same procedure as joe public since they're going on their own terms not C4's.

I didn't say that celebs went through the same selection process as the plebs, only that there must be some kind of selection process. This media-saturated society has generated reams of "celebrities", and surely Channel 4 has some way of seperating the wheat from the chaff.


Winning the lottery is entirely different cause it's down to luck. My point was that TS is exploiting his status as a celebrity in a way that ordinary people can't.

He can't be that much of a celebrity, I'd never heard of him before reading this thread.

[Black Dagger]

I never realised there was a dichotomy though, my understanding of anarchism was anti-statism; that classlessness was not necessarilly mutually inclusive.

Speaking of judeo-nazis... (http://www.jdl.org/)

But you call yourself an anarchist communist? :confused:



A stateless and classless society do not require each other in order for it to be classed as anarchism.

As others have suggested there is no such thing as a pro-class 'anarchism' - like an 'anarchist society' where class exists - a class-based 'anarchist' system represents a contradiction in anarchist principals, in the very concept of anarchy.

In the words of anarchist L. Susan Brown (quoted in an anarchist FAQ):

"While the popular understanding of anarchism is of a violent, anti-State movement, anarchism is a much more subtle and nuanced tradition then a simple opposition to government power. Anarchists oppose the idea that power and domination are necessary for society, and instead advocate more co-operative, anti-hierarchical forms of social, political and economic organisation." [The Politics of Individualism, p. 106]

What you're talking about is more 'Libertarianism' (to use a US term) as anarchism (or anarchy) means literally no rulers, no authority - anarchists oppose hiearchal forms of social organisation advocating horizontal and directly-democratic organs in their place. A class system - the wage system - capitalism - are all premised on the rule of authority - of hierarchy and are thus counterposed to any system of 'anarchism'.

An anarchist FAQ has got this down good:


What does "anarchy" mean?

The word "anarchy" is from the Greek, prefix an (or a), meaning "not," "the want of," "the absence of," or "the lack of", plus archos, meaning "a ruler," "director", "chief," "person in charge," or "authority." Or, as Peter Kropotkin put it, Anarchy comes from the Greek words meaning "contrary to authority." [Anarchism, p. 284]

While the Greek words anarchos and anarchia are often taken to mean "having no government" or "being without a government," as can be seen, the strict, original meaning of anarchism was not simply "no government." "An-archy" means "without a ruler," or more generally, "without authority," and it is in this sense that anarchists have continually used the word. For example, we find Kropotkin arguing that anarchism "attacks not only capital, but also the main sources of the power of capitalism: law, authority, and the State." [Op. Cit., p. 150] For anarchists, anarchy means "not necessarily absence of order, as is generally supposed, but an absence of rule." Instead of a Book, p. 13] Hence David Weick's excellent summary:

"Anarchism can be understood as the generic social and political idea that expresses negation of all power, sovereignty, domination, and hierarchical division, and a will to their dissolution. . . Anarchism is therefore more than anti-statism . . . [even if] government (the state) . . . is, appropriately, the central focus of anarchist critique." [Reinventing Anarchy, p. 139]

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

Hypothetical: Suppose I were to win the lottery. After that miserable **** Gordon Brown has taken his cut, I'd like to spend whatever's left on what I want. Would you have any objections to this?

YES! You should give it all to the SWP

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

My point was that TS is exploiting his status as a celebrity in a way that ordinary people can't.

Not really, he's not whoring himself out week by week doing Public Appearances at local nightclubs. He did a one off thing to pay some debt. He did it, and that was the end of it. If you're given the opportunity, I don't see why you shouldn't seize it.

[Sam_b]

You should give it all to the SWP

This.

Oh, wait...

[NecroCommie]

Jeez... I really would like to ban all mainstream media. Its so god damn stupid.

[Dr Mindbender]

Not really, he's not whoring himself out week by week doing Public Appearances at local nightclubs. He did a one off thing to pay some debt. He did it, and that was the end of it. If you're given the opportunity, I don't see why you shouldn't seize it.

I'm sorry but jumping on the celebrity gravy train in the name of self interest to me, is an incredibly un-leftist thing to do.

I might have had more sympathy if he'd went on with political motives but he admitted that wasnt the case.

As for justifying it by saying ''i've got student debt'', so what mate, join the club.

[Dr Mindbender]

I didn't say that celebs went through the same selection process as the plebs, only that there must be some kind of selection process. This media-saturated society has generated reams of "celebrities", and surely Channel 4 has some way of seperating the wheat from the chaff.

Don't know about that, the fact they require a 9 week timespan for them to commit to probably narrows down the selection quite a bit.

Secondly, TS undoubtedly knew he stood head and shoulders above the competition being a controversial figure. I imagine the C4 bosses rubbed their hands with glee when they recieved his notice of interests.




He can't be that much of a celebrity, I'd never heard of him before reading this thread.

Anyone in Scotland will know about him. The Daily Record, Scotland's equivalent of the Sun ran a personality assasination campaign against him for umpteen months.

[GPDP]

As others have suggested there is no such thing as a pro-class 'anarchism' - like an 'anarchist society' where class exists - a class-based 'anarchist' system represents a contradiction in anarchist principals, in the very concept of anarchy.

Indeed, you are right. However, I would not say ancapism is "pro-class", since apparently ancaps deny the validity of class as a real phenomenon in the first place, so to say they're "pro-class" would just be us projecting our analysis of ancapism onto their ideology, as class seems to have no meaning to them. It would be as bad as a cappie telling us we're pro-totalitarianism, because to them, the complete destruction of capitalism means the total take over of the state over society.

So, yeah. Just wanted to get that out of the way. We should attack ancapism because it would result in a non-anarchistic class system, not because ancaps actually advocate classes, because class does not even figure into their world view in the first place.

[RebelDog]

Does GeneCosta, for all his sins, have a fucking estate with an honest to god motherfucking lake. A lake. This an being an entrepeneur kind of give this dude's game away, no?

In other news, Big Brother is still going?!

The big brother contestant might be GeneCosta.

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

I'm sorry but jumping on the celebrity gravy train in the name of self interest to me, is an incredibly un-leftist thing to do.

I might have had more sympathy if he'd went on with political motives but he admitted that wasnt the case.

As for justifying it by saying ''i've got student debt'', so what mate, join the club.

How has Sheridan appearing on Big Brother been detrimental to anybody except himself? I just don't see the problem...

[Dr Mindbender]

How has Sheridan appearing on Big Brother been detrimental to anybody except himself? I just don't see the problem...

It's just the hypocrisy of the thing that winds me up.

[Bitter Ashes]

He's just been on BB again talking about anarchism. He's been saying that anarchism is just the removal of goverments and communal governance. He says that it'll be achieved by gradual building up of community spirit. In the mean time, he's going to be a Tory candidate for the general elections! XD

It gets better and better doesnt it? A Tory Anarchist!!! :lol:

[Dr Mindbender]

It gets better and better doesnt it? A Tory Anarchist!!! :lol:

Yeah, Anarcho-cappie. Sheesh. :blink:

[Jazzratt]

He's just been on BB again talking about anarchism. He's been saying that anarchism is just the removal of goverments and communal governance. He says that it'll be achieved by gradual building up of community spirit. In the mean time, he's going to be a Tory candidate for the general elections! XD

It gets better and better doesnt it? A Tory Anarchist!!! :lol:

Wow he sounds like a real fucking winner :rolleyes:

[GPDP]

We should totally get in contact with him and tell him to register and restrict him in OI. We could use a resident OI clown nowadays IMO.

[Jazzratt]

We'd have to vote him out of the Big Brother house first.

[Trystan]

Hopefully his appearance on that godawful show will further discredit the ridiculous ideology of "anarcho"-capitalism.

[bellyscratch]

He's just been on BB again talking about anarchism. He's been saying that anarchism is just the removal of goverments and communal governance. He says that it'll be achieved by gradual building up of community spirit. In the mean time, he's going to be a Tory candidate for the general elections! XD

It gets better and better doesnt it? A Tory Anarchist!!! :lol:

I was watching it with my mate, and when he came out with that I just thought 'who the fuck are you? you absolute loser' :lol:

[Killfacer]

Fucking christ i just watched it. What a fucking twat.