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trivas7
2nd June 2009, 15:22
Informal video introduction to the idea of socialism. (http://www.worldsocialism.org/video/)

Too bad this can't be shown in high schools everywhere.

Bud Struggle
2nd June 2009, 22:59
I don't know.

Capitalist's seem to be pretty serious people. Love them or hate them--they are quite serious about what they do. And most importantly--they are winners. They have that desire to best the other guy--and of late (the last 75 years or so) the people they have been beating have been Marxists-Leninists.

And they have beaten them quite handsomely. Feel free to set up the pins for another goround. ;) Maybe the Anarchists have something further to say, but it seems Marxism has shot it's wad.

#FF0000
2nd June 2009, 23:42
I don't know.

Capitalist's seem to be pretty serious people. Love them or hate them--they are quite serious about what they do. And most importantly--they are winners. They have that desire to best the other guy--and of late (the last 75 years or so) the people they have been beating have been Marxists-Leninists.

And they have beaten them quite handsomely. Feel free to set up the pins for another goround. ;) Maybe the Anarchists have something further to say, but it seems Marxism has shot it's wad.

There are other marxists aside from Marxist-Leninists and Maoists.

Bud Struggle
3rd June 2009, 00:02
There are other marxists aside from Marxist-Leninists and Maoists.

I'm sure; but they would have to gain the consideration of a nation-state (even if but for a moment the history of such things) to gain any appreciable attention.

Trotsky never quite made the grade. :(

trivas7
3rd June 2009, 00:10
I don't know.

And they have beaten them quite handsomely. Feel free to set up the pins for another goround. ;) Maybe the Anarchists have something further to say, but it seems Marxism has shot it's wad.
If social organization were a game I could understand you're position -- capitalists take the cake. Unfortunately the stakes are life and death; life need not be winner-take-all.

RGacky3
3rd June 2009, 08:11
Capitalist's seem to be pretty serious people. Love them or hate them--they are quite serious about what they do. And most importantly--they are winners.

Did you watch the video?

About the video (I watched about 30 minutes of it, or should I say listened to it), although what the guy is saying is absolutely true, I don't know why in hell they would just make a video of a guy talking, you could have written that down, if your going to make a video make scenes, different interviews, footage, whatever, a documentary, don't just film a dude talking. It was boring as hell and would have been better off written.

Although from what I saw he's pretty much right on.

And TomK, someone winning does'nt make them justified, if that was the case than slavery was justified for thousands of years.

JazzRemington
3rd June 2009, 08:19
I remembe watching the video when it first became available on the site way back when. It was pretty good, and the guy reminded me of Raul Julia (which isn't a bad thing, mind you). The best part is the analogy of the kindergarten.

Bud Struggle
3rd June 2009, 14:04
If social organization were a game I could understand you're position -- capitalists take the cake. Unfortunately the stakes are life and death; life need not be winner-take-all.

Indeed it need not be winner take all--but that's the way life seems to be structured for life on earth. It is that way for the animal kingdom to be sure--I imagine it is that way for humans, too.

(FYI: I watched until the part where the guy started talking about one kid having all the toys and the other kid having no toys...)

RGacky3
3rd June 2009, 14:15
Indeed it need not be winner take all--but that's the way life seems to be structured for life on earth. It is that way for the animal kingdom to be sure--I imagine it is that way for humans, too.

(FYI: I watched until the part where the guy started talking about one kid having all the toys and the other kid having no toys...)

Watch the illustration first, it fits very well.

First of all, saying thats the way life seems to be structure for life on earth is rediculous, and I could use the exact same argument for genocide, racism, slavery and so on and so forth.

Second there is no evidence that what your saying is true.

Third, much of the animal kingdom is cooperative within spieces, also humans are social animals.

Fourth, what the animal kingdom does and what your opinion is on the way life is naturall structured (which is a rediculous notion, we create the way life is structured) has nothing to do with whether or not Capitalism is justified.

Fifth, Dolly Parton is a ***** and can lick my stinky ballsack, that statement is one of the most ignorant/arrogant/offensive thing someone (especially a rich person) could say.

trivas7
3rd June 2009, 14:44
Indeed it need not be winner take all--but that's the way life seems to be structured for life on earth. It is that way for the animal kingdom to be sure--I imagine it is that way for humans, too.

It's only been organized this way for the last 10,000 years or so. A pittance of time in the millions of years the human animal has walked the earth.