Even Britneys better than RATM!! - I hate to say this but it

[Invader Zim]

I keep on saying that the biggest sell outs in the world ever are the best band. RATM may have communist lyrics but they are capatalist. They earn enough to feed half the homles of the UK but dont pay a penny to any one. Great communisty principles.

I also dont like them because all their songs sound exactly the same, and it gets boring. At least Britney who is the worst thing since Hitler diversifys a bit.

[mentalbunny]

man, are you dumping yourself in some shit here! I will just sit back and watch what everyone has to say, RATM are practially gods on this site!

[xe11]

There songs DO not sounds the same, and if I had more time to post and I wasnt at school id post an actual arguement against this.

[truthaddict11]

they gave much of their money to charities and threw many benifit concerts

[BOZG]

I don't know if it's true but I heard that Zack also contributes money to the EZLN.

[truthaddict11]

didnt he interview subcomandate marcos on the battle of Mex City DVD?

[Fires of History]

Either RATM are sellouts or they aren't.

Either way, why does it matter? If you're looking for a band to be your political standard bearer, you're barking up the wrong tree anyway.

THEY ARE JUST A BAND.

Have people forgotten this? I would never want some dudes with guitars and nice lyrics to become the symbol for Socialism or Communism. Now, THAT'S what would be the biggest sellout.

If you want to rock, listen to RATM. If you want to get political, start reading- and even more importantly start acting! And maybe spend a few less hours zoned in front of the stereo listening to RATM, and use that time to make a difference.

So, for the sake of this thread, let's just say they are sellouts.

SO WHAT? How does that effect anything in any way? If you're personally disappointed by them being so-called sellouts, perhaps you had too high expectations for a band. There's just so many other things to worry about than whether or not RATM sold out.

In fact, with as much as people on this site worry about RATM's 'purity,' I'm really starting to wonder where some people's priorities are.

If you are that worried about a band, perhaps you're the one missing the point, not RATM.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from AK47 on 7:06 pm on Jan. 10, 2003
I keep on saying that the biggest sell outs in the world ever are the best band. RATM may have communist lyrics but they are capatalist. They earn enough to feed half the homles of the UK but dont pay a penny to any one. Great communisty principles.

I also dont like them because all their songs sound exactly the same, and it gets boring. At least Britney who is the worst thing since Hitler diversifys a bit.


What do you want them to do remain underground?

They were good enough to make it.

Anyone can be a musician but only great people can make it into a career

[synthesis]

What do you want them to do remain underground?


I don't see why that's such an unrealistic expectation.

Underground forever
Sinful bliss
Let your whole mindframe rearrange to this
-Swollen Members

[Eastside Revolt]

this is a fairly stupid topic. Nevertheless I MUST say that swollen members SUCK. thank you, all apologies.

[canikickit]

At least Britney who is the worst thing since Hitler diversifys a bit.

So what does that make Rage Against the Machine?

[Communist Chris]

Britney is a racist *****! She gave the finger to some fans and Mexico and at her resturant they don't let anybody with Mexican appirance. Fuck Britney! And Rage has done tons of stuff. Tom Morelio interviewed Mumia and has gone to some protests for example... The Taco Bell one. Anyways Rage rules!

[mentalbunny]

AK47, what's your response? I knew no onr would really agree with you.

FOH, I have to say I disagree, I don't think a band being olitical is selling out, but you are right, if you want to be political you should read, but RATM do a good job at getting people into being political, in my opinion.

[Lardlad95]

Look Rage still had to fuckin pay the bills

you don't get a job to lose money

I understand for the love of the art

but if you can do what you love and still get paid for it it's win win

they still have to eat

[SuicideisPainless]

I'll agree with you but only on the fact that I think RATM is shite

[ireallyhadablackout]

communist lyric's? huh? i can't understand most of their music, I get off on their "rage". :biggrin:

no way is britney a better performer than rage. she uses the same moves we learned in high school, cross my heart , she does!

i can't stand nosey people! mind your own goddamn business for once!

[Fires of History]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 6:09 pm on Jan. 11, 2003

FOH, I have to say I disagree, I don't think a band being olitical is selling out


Communication breakdown, lol. I don't think a band being political is selling out either. Hmm...what did you hear me saying?

I think RATM are NOT sellouts. They are considered sellouts by people who have unrealistic expectations of a band.

[truthaddict11]

look at thier efforts to get people involved all the preaching and the reading lists. sure there are fans who dont care about the lyrics or message but that doesnt mean RATM are sellouts they arent drivng BMWs or living in houses in Beverly Hills

[mentalbunny]

Oops, sorry, FOH, I think there was a bit of a communication breakdown, I thought you were saying that a band couldn't be political because that would look like a stunt to gets loads of people to buy their stuff or something but ignore me, my brain is frying because I've been trying to revise my ancient greek set text for my mock GCSE's!!

[commie kg]

At least RATM is doing something, they have supported so many leftist causes, including the Zapatistas, Free Mumia, Rock for Choice, Refuse and Resist, and many more.
the best other bands can do is donate to some charity, which is still good, but not like the stuff RATM has done.
They're one of my favorite bands, they helped me get motivated to go out and try to make a difference.

[mcleodstickle]

We used RATM in alot of our film soundtrack.
It was mainly an anticapitalist story but had your little bits and pieces so that the parents approved of the youth theatre doing it you know??

But yea, the writer put in lots of little subtle hints to us that she really wanted rage played through it lol. Had lots of fun choosing tracks.
Good stuff

[bombeverything]

I disagree. Even if they were to give all their money away it wouldn't solve the underlying problem. Charity is a band-aid solution [not to say it is not helpful]. Worse than Britney Spears? You must be kidding. She stands for nothing.

[Fires of History]

Quote: from bombeverything on 11:54 pm on Jan. 12, 2003
Charity is a band-aid solution


Yep.

"Charity is no substitute for justice withheld." -Augustine


And I have to agree, RATM does more in general than any other band I know of, save Chumbawumba.

QUIT *****ING ABOUT RAGE, FOCUS ON REAL ISSUES.

[canikickit]

Quiting *****ing about people *****ing about people *****ing about people *****ing about people *****ing about people *****ing about people *****ing.....etc.

Nah, I agree with you Fires. This thread is a joke.

[knowledge is power]

how can you accuse a group that had the newyork stock exchange shut down for an entire day capitalists

[Behind enemy lines]

I haven't read any of this tread but FUCK whoever said that britney is better than rage. You must have a mental disease.

[Palmares]

The title of this thread is a contrary statement.

RATM - Good

Britney - Bad

[Kapitan Andrey]

Hmmm.....there was a time when I was a BritoMAN.....but this time is over now.....

Viva La VACUUM!!! Viva La Che!!! Viva La Carlos Puebla!

[xe11]

But the swollen members arnt underground at all...

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Cthenthar on 9:12 am on Jan. 13, 2003
The title of this thread is a contrary statement.

RATM - Good

Britney - Bad


Perhaps Britney was a bit Harsh, but Blink182 are definatley better. For the following reasons :-

1. They have skill.
2. They diversify.
3. They may be childish but at least they give loads to charity. They even played nude live for charity.
4. You can here most of their lyrics.
5. Their lyrics are shit though, but at least they are not bullshitting.
6. They dont claim to something their not.
7. I come back to the point they have skill at music

[truthaddict11]

RATM performed nude alot as an anti-censorship protest
Diversity? what do you call a multi-ethnic band with different music tastes.
RATM not have skill? listen again to Tom's squeaking on that guitar it sound like a fuckin sampler. and its all done on guitar. he didnt even have to be a guitar player he is a Harvard grad. how many Harvard grads do you know played in a popular band?
RATM never claimed to be anything.

[sin miedo]

Honestly AK47, Blink has more skill than RATM? Morello has more skill in his pinky than Blink could ever hope of having. Otherwise, I could give a shit if you like them or not.

[canikickit]

he didnt even have to be a guitar player he is a Harvard grad. how many Harvard grads do you know played in a popular band?

Word on the street is Tom Morello used to play eight hours a day on the weekends and four during the week, when he was in college. How the hell did he manage to graduate?


(Edited by canikickit at 12:44 am on Jan. 19, 2003)

[Communist Chris]

TWO WORDS:
FUCK BRITNEY!!

[truthaddict11]

he did both and he did protests against the apartheid governmet of S.Africa. he practiced about 4 hours a day no matter what fever, or a test in the morning and it was 2:00 am

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from AK47 on 5:07 pm on Jan. 17, 2003
7. I come back to the point they have skill at music

Ok, have you even heard a Rage record?? Maybe you should listen to Timmy C's funk bassline in Take the Power Back. Maybe you'd disagree if you heard Tom Morello's two minute guitar solo in Know Your Enemy. Maybe your lobotomy would malfunction if you listen to all six minutes of Wake Up, and the excellent musicianship throughout it. Jesus, do you play yourself??

And to think you call Blink 18fuckin2, a band of three power chords, two-note singing (well, whining actually) and crude jokes skilful. If you believe that, there's no explanation other than you're a fucking idiot.

[suffianr]

Britney Spears can't sing. According to a sound engineer friend of mine, the voice you hear on records is one that is digitally-modified i.e. tampered, using Pro Tools, a top o' the line music editing software used by producers. Britney can't hit certain octaves, so her suond engineers adjust the tone and pitch of her voice according to the notes...

[legot]

i must confess,i do like blink 182 even though there music is all very simple and jokes VERY crude but the simplicity is a nice change to other things which could be called much better simply cause it has great guitar riffs,that said i don't listen to blink182 too often,there new stuff is rather shit

[Guardia Bolivariano]

I just would like to say that RATM may not give a 100% to the cause, actually besides CHE I think nobody on this damn planet does.But they have HUGE TALENT regardless of what they stand for.Anyway they don't suck at all.On a musical basis they rock and I'm not exagerating wen I say that they are the only ones who have done anything for our leftist cause.So If we are going to start a thread about RATM being shit and not doing anything for communism then we must do a thread about every fucking band in history that hasn't done anything for us.

By the way britney is a playboy pinup with a mike.

[truthaddict11]

RATM never said they were cmmunists so to say they are sell outs by being an a major is a joke.

[CubaVictoria1983]

It sort of pisses me off to say that they are sell outs but we're all allowed to have our own opinions. They are a great band and I'm glad they had the ability to use their fame to put out stuff that actually made the kids think. And by that I include myself. When I first started thinking about how shitty this country was, I felt alone and listening to them reassured me that there were more people that felt like I did and taught me to not give up....so whatever you think or not, it's great because at least you're thinking....

:)

[CBC]

do you eve know who they ARE? yeah, teh music is pretty much the same all the time, but thats ok as long as it's allways good. personally i feel that RATM has done more to me than any other band, exept maybee for looptroop... and no, they havn't sent me any money and probably not to AK47 either, but wtf do yu know about if they donate money or not?

[PlasticJesus]

I think this thread was created for the soul purpose of pissing people off because I haven’t seen AK47 properly defend his side. If he really does believe Brittany Spears is more talented than RATM then he needs to lay off the paint chips.

I’d give my left nut to play the guitar like Tom Morello.

(Edited by PlasticJesus at 1:19 am on Jan. 22, 2003)

[nz revolution]

fuck you AK

[Invader Zim]

Ok then you me to defend my case 3 reasons why RATM are bad.

1. The shere lack of talent is unbelievable. They play the same music over and over again. I find that increadbly boring.

2. sorry about the britney thing. But seriusly bands like the Manic Street Preachers, Green Day, Placebo, The Vines, The Strokes are just a few who are far far better. You see thay have talent.

3. RATM do very little for charity compared to other people. Take Bob Geldof for example how he organised band Aid ,twice. Elton John sold the highest ever selling single in GB and gave all the money to charity. Blink182, have played Naked to over 3000 people naked for charity. Do RATM do any thing like this. NO.

So i conclude that the best left wing band is the Manic Street Preachers, and here are some lyrics by them: -

THE MASSES AGAINST THE CLASSES

THE COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPLE THAT THE PRIMARY
ROLE OF THE GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY FROM THE
MAJORITY - AND SO IT REMAINS

HELLO IT'S US AGAIN WE'RE STILL SO IN LOVE WITH YOU AND YES WE
MEAN IT TOO YES WE'RE SO IN LOVE WITH YOU

HELLO IT'S US AGAIN YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE OUR FRIENDS SUCCESS
IS AN UGLY WORD ESPECIALLY IN YOUR TINY WORLD

THE MASSES AGAINST THE CLASSES
I'M TIRED OF GIVING A REASON
WHEN THE FUTURE IS WHAT WE BELIEVE IN

WE LOVE THE WINTER IT BRINGS US CLOSER TOGETHER SO CAN YOU
HURT US ANYMORE
CAN YOU FEEL LIKE IT WAS BEFORE OR ARE YOU LOST FOREVER MORE
MESSED US AND DEAD ON ALCOHOL

HELLO FOND FAREWELL MY DEAR I HOPE YOU HEAR THIS NICE AND
CLEAR OUR LOVE IS UNCONDITIONAL OUR HATE IS YOURS TO FEED
UPON

THE MASSES AGAINST THE CLASSES
I'M TIRED OF GIVING A REASON
WHEN THE FUTURE IS WHAT WE BELIEVE IN

WE LOVE THE WINTER IT BRINGS US CLOSER TOGETHER

THE MASSES AGAINST THE CLASSES
I'M TIRED OF GIVING A REASON
WHEN WE'RE THE ONLY THING LEFT TO BELIEVE IN

WE LOVE THE WINTER IT BRINGS US CLOSER TOGETHER

A SLAVE BEGINS BY DEMANDING JUSTICE AND ENDS BY WANTING TO
WEAR A CROWN

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from AK47 on 8:28 pm on Jan. 25, 2003
1. The shere lack of talent is unbelievable. They play the same music over and over again. I find that increadbly boring.

LMAO!!!


3. RATM do very little for charity compared to other people. Take Bob Geldof for example how he organised band Aid ,twice. Elton John sold the highest ever selling single in GB and gave all the money to charity. Blink182, have played Naked to over 3000 people naked for charity. Do RATM do any thing like this. NO.

LMAO!!!!!!

I suggest everyone takes my lead...

[truthaddict11]

LMAO! hey AK buddy Rage played nude many times to protest censorship. i guess that Elton John single was the one for Dianna eh?
I never saw Elton John or Blink 182 give money to Mumia's fund or Peltier's fund or many other groups (the La free clinic, anti-censorship funds ect including the Zapatistas!)
to call thier music repetitive. how many songs of thiers have you listened too? tell me how Bulls on Parade and Mic Check sound the same.

[truthaddict11]

and i have never seen blink182 have there shows be barricaded by cops or see them storm the NYSE shutting down trading for the day.

[Invader Zim]

Elton Johns single (yes it was the Diana one) was all given to charities like the Mother Teriasa fund, the anti land mine fund, Red Cross, ect. In my oppinion their are no finer charitys than that. You can give to left wing causes but they dont save live like the Anti Land Mine fund and Red cross.

Just because a show gets blockaded by the cops is meaningless. But now that you mention it Blink182 have not had that happen. But the Manic Street prechers have, as have Nirvarna.

[truthaddict11]

their shows where blocked because of thier stance with mumia

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from AK47 on 2:21 pm on Jan. 26, 2003
Elton Johns single (yes it was the Diana one) was all given to charities like the Mother Teriasa fund, the anti land mine fund, Red Cross, ect. In my oppinion their are no finer charitys than that. You can give to left wing causes but they dont save live like the Anti Land Mine fund and Red cross.

Are you actually a leftist??


Just because a show gets blockaded by the cops is meaningless. But now that you mention it Blink182 have not had that happen. But the Manic Street prechers have, as have Nirvarna.

I'm sorry, but there's no comparison between RATM, the Manics and Nirvana. Read a fuckin book you dolt.

[Fires of History]

Quote: from AK47 on 2:21 pm on Jan. 26, 2003
In my oppinion their are no finer charitys than that. You can give to left wing causes but they dont save live like the Anti Land Mine fund and Red cross.


Hmmm...

Yeah, GR beat me to that one, what GR said.

AK47, just so you know, if people don't listen to you in other forums, it's partly to do with retarded threads like this. Are you, in fact, retarded?

I mean this thread so far is all about how much you don't like Rage. And??? Should we all stop listening to Rage because you hate them for some fucked up reason.

So, here's some good advice:

Pick better battles.

I mean, you're *****ing about a leftist band. Has that sunk in yet? Do you know about this whole other side much more worthy of our time, energy and attention? No wonder the Left has its problems with leftists constantly *****ing about leftists.

Rage could have kept all their money, done nothing for anyone, hell they could like child porn and have had millions in Enron...

...BUT WHAT THE FUCK WOULD THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? WHAT THE FUCK WOULD THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE LEFT, THE MOVEMENT, THE FIGHT?

That's right, nothing.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 6:40 pm on Jan. 26, 2003

Quote: from AK47 on 2:21 pm on Jan. 26, 2003
Elton Johns single (yes it was the Diana one) was all given to charities like the Mother Teriasa fund, the anti land mine fund, Red Cross, ect. In my oppinion their are no finer charitys than that. You can give to left wing causes but they dont save live like the Anti Land Mine fund and Red cross.

Are you actually a leftist??


Just because a show gets blockaded by the cops is meaningless. But now that you mention it Blink182 have not had that happen. But the Manic Street prechers have, as have Nirvarna.

I'm sorry, but there's no comparison between RATM, the Manics and Nirvana. Read a fuckin book you dolt.


"Are you actually a leftist??"

WTF does what charitys i have sympathy for have any thing to do with my political opinion's. And how does what music i like and dislike have any thing to do with my political opinions. Why the fuck would anyone possibly make any comparison between music and their political opinions. Ohh that guy likes Box Car Racer he must be an anarchist, what kind of dumb idiology is that, are you just trying to povoke me or are you really this retarded.

"I'm sorry, but there's no comparison between RATM, the Manics and Nirvana. Read a fuckin book you dolt."

I didnt say their was all i said was that they all had, had their shows blockaded by the Cops. They are totaly different in style.

P.S I have probebly read more books than you will ever read.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from AK47 on 7:14 pm on Jan. 26, 2003
WTF does what charitys i have sympathy for have any thing to do with my political opinion's.

You said: "You can give to left wing causes but they dont save live like the Anti Land Mine fund and Red cross."

That's why I asked.


I didnt say their was all i said was that they all had, had their shows blockaded by the Cops. They are totaly different in style.

Congratulations. The first thing you've said on this thread that isn't complete and utter bollox. However, I really suggest you research about RATM, and find out what they've done.

The Manics pale in comparison. They were always more about fashion and looks than politics. They courted the media attention, and built up all kinds of ideas about them to sell more records. Besides, listen to them today. Hardly on the same level of activism and integrity that RATM had right up until they split.

(Edited by guerrillaradio at 10:11 pm on Jan. 26, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

You should have seen what the manics did in cuba for publicity for the leftest cause. But never mind.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from AK47 on 4:33 pm on Jan. 27, 2003
You should have seen what the manics did in cuba for publicity for the leftest cause. But never mind.

I know what the Manics did in Cuba. I was a huge Manics fan up until a couple of years ago when I realised how shallow they were. The Cuba thing was more them attempting to be controversial than trying to publicise leftism. I don't think even they could claim that Castro was a savoury character.

[Moncho Brujo]

RATM IS A COMMUNIST BAND, BUT THEY LIVE IN USA, SO THEY MUST BE IN THE SYSTEM.

[sin miedo]

ALL I CAN SAY IS: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAH.

[socialist ballistix]

First of all, how can you be so incredibly ignorant. I respect your opinions and all, but really, Britney? and you say that Britney diversifies more then RATM? If you hvae actually listened to any of their music ever, you would know that all Britney songs sound the same because their written by a machine, producxed by a machine, and sang by a machine. Ratm at leats knbows how to play their instruments and knows something abpoit the world around them. But Jesus, Britney?