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NoMore
30th May 2009, 02:27
From what i gather, this guy seems like a psycho. Does anybody know who this guy is or what he believes in.

gorillafuck
30th May 2009, 02:29
He's a libertarian conspiracy wacko.

That just about sums it up.

Edit: He was in that 9/11 conspiracy film Loose Change, right?

mykittyhasaboner
30th May 2009, 02:44
Basically, he is someone you should simply ignore, and never acknowledge again; because he is worthless.

Don't bother with any of his crap.

Jimmie Higgins
30th May 2009, 02:45
who? Was he in monty python?

Jimmie Higgins
30th May 2009, 02:46
...or was it the rolling stones?

mykittyhasaboner
30th May 2009, 02:59
He was in that 9/11 conspiracy film Loose Change, right?
I think so, but that seems like another one of those things people should just avoid. ;)

gorillafuck
30th May 2009, 03:00
I think so, but that seems like another one of those things people should just avoid. ;)
His involvement in that film is another indicator that this guy is indeed a nutcase.

Yazman
30th May 2009, 20:36
He brings to light important news that the MSM doesn't report on, the problem is just his analysis is very wrong.

Basically Alex Jones = many grains of truth, but what it all adds up to (the connecting of the dots) is usually bullshit.

If you're going to read his site or listen to his podcasts or whatever, just make sure you remain as critical of it as you are when you're reading MSM sites or listening to em.

Basically he reports facts (he takes pretty much all his info from the MSM, sometimes does his own investigation) but also includes a lot of analysis that is very wrong.

bellyscratch
30th May 2009, 20:55
He brings to light important news that the MSM doesn't report on, the problem is just his analysis is very wrong.

Basically Alex Jones = many grains of truth, but what it all adds up to (the connecting of the dots) is usually bullshit.

If you're going to read his site or listen to his podcasts or whatever, just make sure you remain as critical of it as you are when you're reading MSM sites or listening to em.

Basically he reports facts (he takes pretty much all his info from the MSM, sometimes does his own investigation) but also includes a lot of analysis that is very wrong.

This seems about right to me. I'd never say just totally ignore anyone, but if you do want to take notice of what he says, don't get sucked into everything he says...

mykittyhasaboner
30th May 2009, 21:04
It would be wary to spend time with his work, because listening to him is essentially counter productive in my opinion, as well as simply a huge waste of time. His analysis, as clarified before, is completely irrelevant and way off; so bad that its pointless to even give it a chance.

Hes a fucking conservative, he should be ignored like all the others.

bellyscratch
30th May 2009, 21:34
It would be wary to spend time with his work, because listening to him is essentially counter productive in my opinion, as well as simply a huge waste of time. His analysis, as clarified before, is completely irrelevant and way off; so bad that its pointless to even give it a chance.

Hes a fucking conservative, he should be ignored like all the others.

I wouldn't personally waste any more time with his work, but I just don't like telling people how to or not to spend their own time

Chicano Shamrock
30th May 2009, 22:39
He is a Jesus nut.

In his movie Police State 2 he says the anarchists in Seattle 99 were working with the police. To demonstrate his stance he shows a clip of rioters in balaclavas ruining a store or bank and then cuts to another clip at a different time of day in a different area where a cop is just standing. If you didn't notice the cuts or the setting you might think the cop was just letting the rioters smash the windows at Starbcks and what not.

Horrible editing skills and daft politics. I actually know a guy that is adamant that everything he says is true. It is kind of sad.

mykittyhasaboner
2nd June 2009, 16:04
I wouldn't personally waste any more time with his work, but I just don't like telling people how to or not to spend their own time

Neither do I, I'm just giving advice.

okeefejmc
2nd June 2009, 17:46
I agree with some of the things he says, and I like how he brings up topics that many other sources will not give you. I think his politics are obviously in the wrong direction, but he has drive.

RedHal
3rd June 2009, 22:03
Texan pro capitalist conservative dressed in loony conspiracy theories

Agrippa
3rd June 2009, 22:23
Garden-variety 3rd positionist. His website's entertaining, though....

Chambered Word
4th June 2009, 17:03
Another stupid hack conspiracy theorist. I wish people would interest themselves with something intelligent for once.

Qayin
4th June 2009, 22:37
he showed me the bilderberg group but his politics suck ass

Dimentio
4th June 2009, 22:53
From what i gather, this guy seems like a psycho. Does anybody know who this guy is or what he believes in.

He is the closest thing to Adolf Hitler for America.

A charismatic, manipulative demagogue who is using "The Protocol of the Elders of Zion" but has supplanted the term "Jews" with "establishment". I think he is probably quite intelligent and dangerous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZrngCbvX4&feature=PlayList&p=D520035F8C6918A7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoqgyRrkG7c&feature=PlayList&p=04FB308F040881CF&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=47

I think Jones is more dangerous than David Icke. Mostly because he is focusing on simply one thing.

He is also a right-wing reactionary.

RedHal
5th June 2009, 05:13
yeah I would say Jones is more dangerous and legitimate then David Icke, cuz doesn't Icke and his followers believe in some Reptilian race being the secretive ruling class?:laugh:

Dimentio
5th June 2009, 07:50
yeah I would say Jones is more dangerous and legitimate then David Icke, cuz doesn't Icke and his followers believe in some Reptilian race being the secretive ruling class?:laugh:

That's them. But Jones is actually quite dangerous.

In the same thing, I think he could be beneficial for the progressive forces in America, in that he radicalises conservatives beyond the point that they could be useful in the context of the ideology of the republican party. Jones believes that the US Empire and its authoritarianist effects on America are the result of a UN one world government conspiracy against America.

It would be like some Englishman year 1909 claiming that the British Empire was a secret plot to enslave England. Completely ludicrous.

Sir Comradical
5th June 2009, 10:38
A guy who thinks that the United States created communism as a way of "conning the serfs back into serfdom" which is why they installed Stalin and Mao.

Dimentio
5th June 2009, 12:16
A guy who thinks that the United States created communism as a way of "conning the serfs back into serfdom" which is why they installed Stalin and Mao.

Hitler thought the same. Only that the United States in his version was controlled by the Jews.

All conspiratology is ultimately derived from The Protocols.

Conspiratology is actually somewhat of a popular movement in some regions (small towns, rural poor regions, with low general education). Most conspiratologists in Sweden are actually small business-owners.

Sir Comradical
5th June 2009, 12:28
Hitler thought the same. Only that the United States in his version was controlled by the Jews.

All conspiratology is ultimately derived from The Protocols.

Conspiratology is actually somewhat of a popular movement in some regions (small towns, rural poor regions, with low general education). Most conspiratologists in Sweden are actually small business-owners.

That's right, if I remember correctly Hitler's version was that American capitalism and Soviet communism both threatened Germany because the sinister jews were controlling both. The basis of both Jones' and Hitler's ideology is similar in that they present the homeland as being threatened by some loony international conspiracy. Pretty retarded shit, but conspiracy sells.

I watched this Alex Jones thing on youtube where he said that communism is when money is controlled by a private bank. What version of the Communist Manifesto is he reading?

I haven't heard of The Protocols but I'll look it up.

Dimentio
5th June 2009, 12:36
That's right, if I remember correctly Hitler's version was that American capitalism and Soviet communism both threatened Germany because the sinister jews were controlling both. The basis of both Jones' and Hitler's ideology is similar in that they present the homeland as being threatened by some loony international conspiracy. Pretty retarded shit, but conspiracy sells.

I watched this Alex Jones thing on youtube where he said that communism is when money is controlled by a private bank. What version of the Communist Manifesto is he reading?

I haven't heard of The Protocols but I'll look it up.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forged manuscript plagiarised from a theatre play by the Russian Imperial secirity service around year 1900. It is about a sinister Jewish plot for world domination.

Jones is not talking about Jews, but he is talking about some unmentioned elite which is against America, and attributing them the same sinister plans for world domination as Hitler and other antisemites did with the Jews.

Jones has an ideology apart from conspiratology as well. He is very libertarian and very reactionary. In practice, he is an anti-progressive populist demagogue.

Sir Comradical
5th June 2009, 12:38
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forged manuscript plagiarised from a theatre play by the Russian Imperial secirity service around year 1900. It is about a sinister Jewish plot for world domination.

Jones is not talking about Jews, but he is talking about some unmentioned elite which is against America, and attributing them the same sinister plans for world domination as Hitler and other antisemites did with the Jews.

Jones has an ideology apart from conspiratology as well. He is very libertarian and very reactionary. In practice, he is an anti-progressive populist demagogue.

Agreed.

Dimentio
5th June 2009, 12:45
The problem with USA and why Jones has become so very popular, while the establishment haven't been able to quash him (like they would have done in Britain or in Sweden) is that parts of the American establishment - namely the parts associated with the republican party - has legitimised Jones' criticism of big government during 30 years, to the point that it became the dominant political current in the nation to bash liberalism.

The reasons why republicans has managed to do this is partially because of the change of the traditional heartland America and Dixie way of life since the 1960's, and partially because rural votes are much more worth than urban votes in America.

During the Clinton presidency, parts of the opposition party supported the militia groups and inspired a frenzied hatred to mobilise very alienated voter groups (rural poor white petite bourgeoisie + rural white lumpen proletariat). These groups have seen that the Republican Party also sells into the same interests which they have claimed the Democrats do, so they have searched for new, even more right-wing groups with even more extremist agendas.

Alex Jones is still quite young (he is born 1974), and if he does'nt overdo his thing, like Icke, he could go very far. He could even eventually become an established politician. Maybe a governor or a senator.

Die Neue Zeit
5th June 2009, 14:29
He brings to light important news that the MSM doesn't report on, the problem is just his analysis is very wrong.

Basically Alex Jones = many grains of truth, but what it all adds up to (the connecting of the dots) is usually bullshit.

If you're going to read his site or listen to his podcasts or whatever, just make sure you remain as critical of it as you are when you're reading MSM sites or listening to em.

Basically he reports facts (he takes pretty much all his info from the MSM, sometimes does his own investigation) but also includes a lot of analysis that is very wrong.

I had the privilege of quoting a news article on his website that was written by someone else in his staff, Steve Watson. Watson, I believe, is a liberal. The article was about recent incidents involving agents provocateurs. :)

Dimentio
5th June 2009, 14:54
I had the privilege of quoting a news article on his website that was written by someone else in his staff, Steve Watson. Watson, I believe, is a liberal. The article was about recent incidents involving agents provocateurs. :)

Usually, conspiratologists here in Sweden are taking a lot of news from Indymedia, as long as these news are about Israel or USA vs Iran. Often, they add their own neuologies at the end of the articles. Their ideas to solve the world's problem is about abolishing rent.

It gets quite understandable if you knows a few thing about the Swedish conspiratologists. Most of them were small-business owners who lost their fortune with the bank crash in 1991-1992 in Sweden.

I guess the very same ideas soon will sprout up in America.

Dimentio
5th June 2009, 15:15
It would be wary to spend time with his work, because listening to him is essentially counter productive in my opinion, as well as simply a huge waste of time. His analysis, as clarified before, is completely irrelevant and way off; so bad that its pointless to even give it a chance.

Hes a fucking conservative, he should be ignored like all the others.

Millions of people are listening to him. We should try to analyse people to whom millions of people are listening to, even if we do not agree with them.

black magick hustla
5th June 2009, 16:38
lol Jones is not dangerous at all.

Dimentio
5th June 2009, 16:45
lol Jones is not dangerous at all.

Not physically at all. But his ideology is very dangerous and actually a hindrance to radical leftism. A large segment of the American population is actually believing that they are being impoverished because the "communism of Wall Street". Jones is actually quite close of being a fascist. Or at least, he fill in the same function as a fascist.

Some Red Guy
5th June 2009, 17:01
He could be dangerous, he is effectively demonising the left by blaming them for the faults of capitalism. And people believe him. If his movement gets very powerful I could actually see it turn to something similar to fascism, as many fascists are already supporting the guy. I tend to think of Alex Jones as a conspiracy himself. Go figure. I do not dismiss conspiracies as a whole, but this guy, as someone said, gathers pieces of truth and puts them together to form his own story that once scrutinised is easily disporvable.

MilitantWorker
5th June 2009, 17:13
Man, it is sad to see some of you guys try and denounce this guy...and fail...so far...

Look, I think this is simply a case of a guy from rural America that had the notion to try and make a living selling his videos and spreading his conspiracy theories via his talk show. The thing is, along the way, I believe he has witnessed things that would be enough to change or alter anyones consciousness, and as a result he often says thing that might have a sort of ring with people on the left..heres an example:

youtubeDOTcomSLASHwatch?v=pfEuSNejejY

The real communist point to be made here is that conspiracy theories are based on realities and actualities within capitalist society. There arent any conspiracies going on...other than the bourgeois conspiracy of exploitation and hegemony.

And by the way, for anyone interested, for good scholarly debunking of 9/11 I would read "5 unanswered questions about 9/11". Instead of proposing conspiracy theories the author touches on facts that were ignored by the official report and by doing this he paints a vivid picture of what probably happened. Also the leftist physicist Manuel Garcia totally debunked all the conspiracy theories about controlled demolition and what have you...here:

counterpunchDOTorgSLASHphysic11282006DOThtml

Dimentio
5th June 2009, 18:52
Man, it is sad to see some of you guys try and denounce this guy...and fail...so far...

Look, I think this is simply a case of a guy from rural America that had the notion to try and make a living selling his videos and spreading his conspiracy theories via his talk show. The thing is, along the way, I believe he has witnessed things that would be enough to change or alter anyones consciousness, and as a result he often says thing that might have a sort of ring with people on the left..heres an example:

youtubeDOTcomSLASHwatch?v=pfEuSNejejY

The real communist point to be made here is that conspiracy theories are based on realities and actualities within capitalist society. There arent any conspiracies going on...other than the bourgeois conspiracy of exploitation and hegemony.

And by the way, for anyone interested, for good scholarly debunking of 9/11 I would read "5 unanswered questions about 9/11". Instead of proposing conspiracy theories the author touches on facts that were ignored by the official report and by doing this he paints a vivid picture of what probably happened. Also the leftist physicist Manuel Garcia totally debunked all the conspiracy theories about controlled demolition and what have you...here:

counterpunchDOTorgSLASHphysic11282006DOThtml

The reason why most of us is denouncing 9/11 conspiracy theories is - apart from their ludicrousness - that they are a waste of energy. It does'nt matter whether or not the government killed those people, because the federal government is protecting a system which is killing millions annually through starvation, deprivation and direct killing. But the thing is, no one gives the order to pollute the seas, destroy crops for poor peasants, turn people indebted.

All these are consequences of capitalism.

I certainly believe that Alex Jones should be seen as responsible for his viewpoints, not as some "poor rural guy". He is clearly quite intelligent and manipulative. The problem is that his ideology is even more reactionary than the ideology proposed by the establishment - apart from his conspiracy theories.

What I have seen recently is a trend towards higher acceptance of conspiracy theories. That is of course a reaction against the lies and disinformation spawned by MSM. But its quite manikeistic to chose to believe conspiracy theories because some guy on youtube says they are true.

I think you should listen to Alex Jones, but you should do it critically, and think that he also might have a hidden agenda.

You should also read Chomsky, and look at Indymedia.

Qayin
6th June 2009, 10:45
Call in his radio show and own his ass

it wouldnt be to hard.His views of communism is that Marx was financed by swedish banks...not kidding its in the "obama deception". I laughed when i heard that shit

like I said,his expose of the bilderberg group is the only good thing I have seen him done. I wonder why leftists do not protest the bilderebrg group meetings as much as g8(g20) or the WTO meetings and such.

mykittyhasaboner
6th June 2009, 15:51
Millions of people are listening to him. We should try to analyse people to whom millions of people are listening to, even if we do not agree with them.

Have fun doing that, even though there is little need to analyze his work, as it never changes: "The elites and the bankers, blah blah blah NWO NWO!"

People happen to be listening to him because he has the money to advertise his shitty films everywhere and he has his own radio station. He provides an attractive, simple, intelligence-not-required analysis for people who are pissed off and disillusioned with the current state of politics and capitalism; only he supports exactly that, capitalism. If anything, the only analysis of him we need to do is to point out how fucking stupid his ideas and theories are, and to do this you don't need to waste time watching Loose Change or the Obama Deception.

Your right though, even if we disagree with someone we should analyze why people are listening to them. However, this does not require us to waste time with alex jones, it implies that we need to realize that people want alternatives and analysis that supports their gripes with the current system. The next logical step, is to make us, the left, that alternative. Again, you can analyze jones all you want, but it's not going to do much good.

Dimentio
6th June 2009, 18:33
Have fun doing that, even though there is little need to analyze his work, as it never changes: "The elites and the bankers, blah blah blah NWO NWO!"

People happen to be listening to him because he has the money to advertise his shitty films everywhere and he has his own radio station. He provides an attractive, simple, intelligence-not-required analysis for people who are pissed off and disillusioned with the current state of politics and capitalism; only he supports exactly that, capitalism. If anything, the only analysis of him we need to do is to point out how fucking stupid his ideas and theories are, and to do this you don't need to waste time watching Loose Change or the Obama Deception.

Your right though, even if we disagree with someone we should analyze why people are listening to them. However, this does not require us to waste time with alex jones, it implies that we need to realize that people want alternatives and analysis that supports their gripes with the current system. The next logical step, is to make us, the left, that alternative. Again, you can analyze jones all you want, but it's not going to do much good.

I am in agreement. But I think we should not underestimate him. He is more talented than the average conspiracy theorists, and avoids supernatural stuff or superstition. I think he is actually playing dumber than he is in order to lead the public astray to "paleo-conservative libertarian fascism".

I think its pretty clear why people are listening to him. Those who are doing it, I think are mostly rural white low-income people in some more and more impoverished regions of the USA who has been screwed over by both corporations and governments during the last decades.

Chicano Shamrock
8th June 2009, 02:16
LOL I don't think we have to worry about Alex Jones. He makes people dumber... but that's about it. He is just a salesmen that pushes an entertaining(to some) fictional product.

If there was any worry that he would incite violence the government would step in for sure.

TrueLeninist
8th June 2009, 02:52
Alex Jones and conspiracy theorists are right in a lot of things like 9-11, zionism influence in US government, police-fascism, and US government corruption and lies. However their problem is that they are not socialists, that they don't offer the masses a working-class program for poor blacks, poor latinos and the 12 million oppressed immigrants of this country. In fact they are anti-immigration and pro-capitalism. He is a far-right wing, free-market, white-nationalist libertarian, who's ideology is no solution for the increased poverty of USA


Trueleninist




From what i gather, this guy seems like a psycho. Does anybody know who this guy is or what he believes in.

Agrippa
8th June 2009, 05:59
Good sir, "Zionist influence in US politics" is always just politically correct code for all sorts of irrational anti-Semitic conspiracies. Israel has no more influence over US politics than any other US client state such as Columbia or Canada. If anything, the US influences Israeli politics more often than the other way around. And relationships between the US and Israel are actually currently very strained what with the recent election-victories for the US left and Israeli right.

Consider that, even though they benefit from an obvious system of cultural, political, and economic apartheid, (which, like most old colonial systems, is slowly breaking down as the "settlers" lose many of their economic and political privileges) poor Israelis are essentially impoverished white trash that live under every degree of squalor and tyranny that the oppressed and colonized people of Palestine live under. The only way to defeat Zionism is for working-class Israelis and working-class Palestinians to ally against all forms of capitalism.

Qayin
8th June 2009, 18:29
I think trueleninist is referring to AIPAC

Glenn Beck
8th June 2009, 21:46
Consider that, even though they benefit from an obvious system of cultural, political, and economic apartheid, (which, like most old colonial systems, is slowly breaking down as the "settlers" lose many of their economic and political privileges) poor Israelis are essentially impoverished white trash that live under every degree of squalor and tyranny that the oppressed and colonized people of Palestine live under.

Except those degrees that involve being bombed with missiles, cluster bombs, and white phosphorus. Being shot at by snipers and helicopters. Being forced to travel through a gauntlet of humiliating and oppressive security checkpoints each day. Having ones home or property raided or destroyed on a narrow or nonexistent pretext. Etc.

So which is it then? Do they 'benefit from an obvious system of cultural, political, and economic apartheid' or do they 'live under every degree of squalor and tyranny that the oppressed and colonized people of Palestine live under.'? Your statement seems to be rather self-contradictory.

Agrippa
8th June 2009, 22:32
Except those degrees that involve being bombed with missiles, cluster bombs, and white phosphorus. Being shot at by snipers and helicopters. Being forced to travel through a gauntlet of humiliating and oppressive security checkpoints each day. Having ones home or property raided or destroyed on a narrow or nonexistent pretext. Etc.

So which is it then? Do they 'benefit from an obvious system of cultural, political, and economic apartheid' or do they 'live under every degree of squalor and tyranny that the oppressed and colonized people of Palestine live under.'? Your statement seems to be rather self-contradictory.

The symptoms of a condition can be different, but the condition is still the same. The only way a certain socio-economic group (Israelis, white Americans, white Australians, Anglophone Canadians, etc.) can be granted certain economic and social priviliges by the bourgeois order is if the bourgeois order controls and dictates every facet of their daily life in the first place....

Dimentio
8th June 2009, 22:37
The symptoms of a condition can be different, but the condition is still the same. The only way a certain socio-economic group (Israelis, white Americans, white Australians, Anglophone Canadians, etc.) can be granted certain economic and social priviliges by the bourgeois order is if the bourgeois order controls and dictates every facet of their daily life in the first place....

There is somewhat a gradual difference between having your semester cut with two days, and having your arms broken by occupation soldiers. ^^

Agrippa
8th June 2009, 23:21
And what's the difference between a Palestinian being killed by an Israeli cruise missile and an impoverished Russian living in an Israeli settlement getting cancer from contaminated water, or an Israeli woman being raped by her husband under the legal sanction of her Judeo-fascist rulers? The Israeli proletariat doesn't suffer from poverty, from rape, from imprisonment and police harassment, because they receive certain social, economic, and political privileges that are slowly being taken away from them anyway?

9
11th August 2009, 06:55
http://eldib.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/illuminati-destroyed.jpg

leochaos
11th August 2009, 16:00
:(:blushing::(;);););)Hi,
well,I knew the guy existed and he was in the "save amerika from slavery thing + all sort of conspiracies". After a few minutes of watching the nonsense he is producing(he has a radio/video show,pretty horrific) it was evident that he is on the extreme right wing part of USA politics.The "dangerous" part is that he tries to come up(without much sense) with the equation: democrats and republicans are the same(not that wrong) and LEFT and RIGHT are the same,basically the product of some illuminati/masonic bla bla bla thing.He seems to avoid involving the jews(many other nuts at his level accuse him of being a criptozionist etc),but he does mention the Liberty incident(1967 the israeli attacking an USA spy boat monitoring the situation during the war.Interesting story,if you do not know anything about it you should check it out.Wikipedia,reading the discussion/talk,should be enough) and about 9/11 maybe he says something about the dancing israelis.:laugh:
Anyway,I was amazed when progressive friends started circulating his video.To a point that I did spend some time checking the guy out.You do need to know the contest before making comments,right?
It doesn't take much to understand what he is all about:Amerika to defend :(:(:(:( nonsense,but I guess that the trick is that he presents himself as exposing the enemy(almost everything).If you are in this forum you"ll spot his real ego in a few minutes,you may need some time to have enough infos to explain to "uninformed " friends that the guy is an idiot,an impostors etc His Radiosomething has/had ads promoting "medicines/supplements" that get rid of cancer,other things that make your car run more mileage etc Absurd,but we would obiously not be in this situation if the general public spent some time getting educated(and not alienated).
In one comment somebody wrote he is a libertarian.Correct if you are in the USA, in continental europe libertarian means anarchic.Not sure in England.
To conclude: it takes maybe 10minutes to 1 hour to get the size of the guy.
His latest production I believe is the Obama Deception.where Oba is classified as a socialist(in the sense of communist).Apparently the O was not born in the Usa and he is part of the global conspiracy to enslave the american people(and,as a plus,everybody else on the planet).
Concentration camps are beeing built all around the states.There is a video clip of a super big train(it is going to be used to move the prisoners).Ah,Oba is also creating his own private youth militia(sort of hitler jund or whatever it was called).
Once AJ went to some antiwar sit-in(I guess invited by somebody very confused) but the audience did not let him speak.They knew better.This in the Usa,you can find the video somewhere.
If you are in the USA good luck,the place must be really f..k up.
Chomsky says that the movement is supposedly in good shape,the young generation is starting to understand bla bla bla and yes, write to your elected represantative.
Others have a different approach.Chomsky is accused of protecting Israel(maybe she did some behind the scene game to boycott the academic boycott of Irael);and the antiwar movement seems also to be undemocratic/serving the democrats/and ,again, doing almost nothing about the palestinians.my point here is not to trust anybody.If I have the time I will post something about Chomsky and maybe I'll venture in the combustible area of israel/antisemitism.I am pretty confused about it and if somebody can help me on this it would be good.I have reached some 'conclusions' on the whole thing,but I am not very sure.
Believe me: AJ is indeed an easy topic(tag:generic american nonsense).
Still,it is not enough to say that the guy is an idiot.This "truth" movement must be doing some damage on the left just by confusing people.
By the way I was reading that Democracy Now is getting money from the Ford Foundation(a cultural instrument of US imperialism).Does anybody know if it is truth? If so,I guess we also need to look at people on the "left".Nothing new under the sun...
The smiles are not my idea(personally AJ makes me cry);it's my 3 years grandaughter who abuse the lack of any authority on my part.Actually if this post is super-confused,she is part of the problem.
Take care

Misanthrope
11th August 2009, 16:40
American nationalist, capitalist enthusiast, conspiracy theorist.

Philosophical Materialist
11th August 2009, 21:07
He's a palaeoconservative (and identifies as such) with a particular fondness for conspiracy theory narratives, misogyny, homophobia, nationalism, anti-communism and social conservatism.

9
12th August 2009, 02:35
:(:blushing::(;);););)Hi,
well,I knew the guy existed and he was in the "save amerika from slavery thing + all sort of conspiracies". After a few minutes of watching the nonsense he is producing(he has a radio/video show,pretty horrific) it was evident that he is on the extreme right wing part of USA politics.The "dangerous" part is that he tries to come up(without much sense) with the equation: democrats and republicans are the same(not that wrong) and LEFT and RIGHT are the same,basically the product of some illuminati/masonic bla bla bla thing.He seems to avoid involving the jews(many other nuts at his level accuse him of being a criptozionist etc),but he does mention the Liberty incident(1967 the israeli attacking an USA spy boat monitoring the situation during the war.Interesting story,if you do not know anything about it you should check it out.Wikipedia,reading the discussion/talk,should be enough) and about 9/11 maybe he says something about the dancing israelis.:laugh:
Anyway,I was amazed when progressive friends started circulating his video.To a point that I did spend some time checking the guy out.You do need to know the contest before making comments,right?
It doesn't take much to understand what he is all about:Amerika to defend :(:(:(:( nonsense,but I guess that the trick is that he presents himself as exposing the enemy(almost everything).If you are in this forum you"ll spot his real ego in a few minutes,you may need some time to have enough infos to explain to "uninformed " friends that the guy is an idiot,an impostors etc His Radiosomething has/had ads promoting "medicines/supplements" that get rid of cancer,other things that make your car run more mileage etc Absurd,but we would obiously not be in this situation if the general public spent some time getting educated(and not alienated).
In one comment somebody wrote he is a libertarian.Correct if you are in the USA, in continental europe libertarian means anarchic.Not sure in England.
To conclude: it takes maybe 10minutes to 1 hour to get the size of the guy.
His latest production I believe is the Obama Deception.where Oba is classified as a socialist(in the sense of communist).Apparently the O was not born in the Usa and he is part of the global conspiracy to enslave the american people(and,as a plus,everybody else on the planet).
Concentration camps are beeing built all around the states.There is a video clip of a super big train(it is going to be used to move the prisoners).Ah,Oba is also creating his own private youth militia(sort of hitler jund or whatever it was called).
Once AJ went to some antiwar sit-in(I guess invited by somebody very confused) but the audience did not let him speak.They knew better.This in the Usa,you can find the video somewhere.
If you are in the USA good luck,the place must be really f..k up.
Chomsky says that the movement is supposedly in good shape,the young generation is starting to understand bla bla bla and yes, write to your elected represantative.
Others have a different approach.Chomsky is accused of protecting Israel(maybe she did some behind the scene game to boycott the academic boycott of Irael);and the antiwar movement seems also to be undemocratic/serving the democrats/and ,again, doing almost nothing about the palestinians.my point here is not to trust anybody.If I have the time I will post something about Chomsky and maybe I'll venture in the combustible area of israel/antisemitism.I am pretty confused about it and if somebody can help me on this it would be good.I have reached some 'conclusions' on the whole thing,but I am not very sure.
Believe me: AJ is indeed an easy topic(tag:generic american nonsense).
Still,it is not enough to say that the guy is an idiot.This "truth" movement must be doing some damage on the left just by confusing people.
By the way I was reading that Democracy Now is getting money from the Ford Foundation(a cultural instrument of US imperialism).Does anybody know if it is truth? If so,I guess we also need to look at people on the "left".Nothing new under the sun...
The smiles are not my idea(personally AJ makes me cry);it's my 3 years grandaughter who abuse the lack of any authority on my part.Actually if this post is super-confused,she is part of the problem.
Take care

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mykittyhasaboner
12th August 2009, 02:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaBwCodQfQE

He shows his sharp political analysis around 1:15.