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Led Zeppelin
29th May 2009, 21:49
German corpse 'may be Luxemburg'

An unidentified corpse found in the basement of a Berlin hospital could be that of murdered revolutionary Rosa Luxemburg, say German authorities. A pathologist at Berlin's Charite hospital told Der Spiegel magazine the headless corpse bore "striking similarities" to the left-wing icon.

Ms Luxemburg was murdered by right-wing paramilitaries in 1919 at the age of 47 and thrown in an icy canal. Months later, a body thought to have been hers was retrieved and buried. The grave, in Berlin's Freidrichsfelde cemetery, has since become a place of pilgrimage for communists, feminists and left-wing activists. But Michael Tsokos, head of the hospital's Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensics Science department, told Der Spiegel that he doubted the identity of the corpse that was buried there.

He pointed to several inconsistencies in the post mortem examination his predecessors at the hospital had carried out on the interred body, which made him question its conclusions.

These included the fact that the pathologists made no mention of the hip defect and differing leg lengths which made Luxemburg limp all her life. The body also showed no sign of the rifle butt blows Ms Luxemburg is known to have received to her skull nor of the bullet in the head which is believed to have killed her. In contrast, the body which Mr Tsokos found two years ago showed clear signs of having been waterlogged, said Der Spiegel.

Further tests showed the corpse was a woman aged between 40 and 50, who had suffered from osteoarthritis and had legs of different lengths. The missing extremities could be explained by anecdotal evidence that weights were tied to Ms Luxemburg's hands and feet before she was thrown into the canal, said Mr Tsokos. When the water froze, it could have separated them from the body.

The corpse, said Mr Tsokos, bore "striking similarities to the real Rosa Luxemburg".

'Disturbing'

The Luxemburg grave is visited by millions every year
Mr Tsokos told the DDP news agency there had been rumours for many years that Ms Luxemburg's body was actually in the hospital.

He said he had been searching for DNA samples to test against the body since he found it - stamps used by Ms Luxemburg had given no insight so he was hoping to be able to find samples of her clothing.

"A hat would be nice," he said, as it could contain strands of her hair.

Murat Cakir, a spokesman for the Rosa Luxemburg Foundation, told the Local paper it was "conceivable that the authorities at the time made sure [the body] would disappear".

"But it's also disturbing that her body could have been in a hospital cellar for the last 90 years," he said.

"We hope that the identity of the body is clarified as soon as possible so that whoever it may be will finally be laid to rest."

Tests on the body buried in Berlin are not possible, as the grave was desecrated in the Nazi era and the remains removed.

But Mr Cakir said that when and if the identity of the corpse was discovered, Ms Luxemburg's legacy would not be affected.

"The world over she is thought of as a revolutionary forward thinker - millions visit her grave each year - and she will always be this, regardless of where her body rests," he said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8074334.stm

Communist Theory
30th May 2009, 00:23
Yeah seen that on the RSS feed.
BBC is the only news site I've seen with a story on it.

bellyscratch
30th May 2009, 00:37
Yeah seen that on the RSS feed.
BBC is the only news site I've seen with a story on it.

I saw it on guardian.co.uk too

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/29/german-corpse-possibly-rosa-luxemburg

Vincent
30th May 2009, 17:04
feel sorry for all those lefty pilgrims who took the hike to luxemburgs grave. same as i feel sorry for all those who go to far reaches of europe in search of relics of Saint So-and-so (finger, shoulderblade, thigh bone etc.)

Sasha
30th May 2009, 18:06
why? you go for the symbol and their meaning, not the actual bones lying there.
the fact that i know that in all likelyhood in the grave of moliere on per la chesse lies not the remains of the great writer but some poor homeless guy (moliere only got his real recognition decades later so they just pulled the first corps they found out of the massgrave they dumped him in and stuffed that in a fancy shrine) makes a visit to "his" grave only more special and meaningfull.

mykittyhasaboner
30th May 2009, 18:25
Interesting, but I find it unnecessary to fuss over which is her real body, she is dead after all.

Kwisatz Haderach
30th May 2009, 21:44
Graves are not for the dead. They are for the living, who want a place to remember the dead. So, no, it doesn't really matter whether the bones in Rosa Luxemburg's grave are actually hers. But if making a fuss about it draws more attention to her works, then by all means, let's make a big fuss about it.

Verix
4th June 2009, 07:10
feel sorry for all those lefty pilgrims who took the hike to luxemburgs grave. same as i feel sorry for all those who go to far reaches of europe in search of relics of Saint So-and-so (finger, shoulderblade, thigh bone etc.)

Maybe whats hes saying is he feels sorry for all people who worship the graves and idols and stuff when we sould remember the people for there deeds not there bodies, or maybe thats not what he ment *shrug*

pastradamus
9th June 2009, 19:55
Graves are not for the dead. They are for the living, who want a place to remember the dead. So, no, it doesn't really matter whether the bones in Rosa Luxemburg's grave are actually hers. But if making a fuss about it draws more attention to her works, then by all means, let's make a big fuss about it.

Thats it exactly. I reject the Idea of "so what she's dead". If I were around the area I'd like to visit her grave. Its of Interest to me and it would be a good feeling to know that you are looking at the grave of an extremely influential and incredible person. Not everybodys cup of tea I know but i'd like to see her in her final resting place in the same way i'd like to see any dead person in a grave rather than in an uncredited ruin.

Little Red Robin Hood
17th June 2009, 09:36
Wow, I had not heard about this.