System Of A Down - the new RATM?

[socialist ballistix]

Hey i think System Of A down is pretty good. Their lyrics are politically-conscious and their musoic is the shit. I was wondering ifyou guys thought they were comparable to Rage. I mean, their music is pretty different, but lyrics wise i think theyre on par if not as good.

[nz revolution]

toxicity is no where near as good as thier first, I think toxicity is pretty shite politically.

I love the booklet for the first album, "lets us help instigate the revolution"... and so on. Plus how the US uses the wars on drugs, communism, terrorism to help dominate the world.

revolution the only solution. PLUCK is a great song, I love it.

[Beccie]

Most the songs on toxicity are political but I would have to agree that their first CD was better (I especially liked the thing written on the back).

[socialist ballistix]

i liked toxicity alot. I jus got their new cd 4 christamas and it roks, evebn thoiugh most of the songs are not political. I'm definitly gonna buy their first cd after hearing our oppinions.

[bombeverything]

I like SOAD. They are fun.

[I Bow 4 Che]

First album was the best...Toxcicity was over played

I was a HUGE SOAD fan...They were my favorite band for awhile...until i realized how they represent not of which they stand for...

[bombeverything]

Quote: from I Bow 4 Che on 3:05 am on Jan. 3, 2003
I was a HUGE SOAD fan...They were my favorite band for awhile...until i realized how they represent not of which they stand for...

In what way?

[nz revolution]

Che Bow-er has a good point, I read in TIME how SOAD was a marketing success. They gave kids SOAD stickers, shirts posters etc. To have and some to give out, they told their friends and BOOM overnight success.

Definately not fighting the System, frauds some what. But you could argue they are using a medium (the label) to get through to people, although when I look at SOAD fans they are mainly metalers who are prolly near fascists, not anarchism which I think SOAD are hence them saying they are "against oppression of any kind"

[synthesis]

On the contrary, I'm no System fan, as Sabbath remains the only metal band I like, but I think that is a very credible marketing ploy. Instead of shoving it in people's faces like with billboard advertising and TV ads, you are letting the people listen to it and decide for themselves whether it is good or not.

[mentalbunny]

Well I wouldn't call SOAD the new RATM, but they are pretty good, I just hope they don't end up using the system too much, soon maybe they'll be able to screw it over, cos everyone uses the system, you can't avoid it.

By the way, did anyone hear Marilyn Manson just before he started work on Golden Age of Grotesque on the Radio 1 Rock Show? He said there were two directions he might go, one would be really off the wall and not at all commercial and the other would be to basically produce slightly twisted pop and invade the charts. I thinkhe's probably done neither but I still haven't heard any of the new stuff, when Golden Age was supposed to come out in september.

And by the wat, Cochise from Audioslave is all over the radio!

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 1:07 pm on Jan. 3, 2003
Well I wouldn't call SOAD the new RATM

Quite. I fucking hate the two being compared. It's incredibly naive. Not only are they quite different musically, but in terms of lyrics and message they are very different. RATM are overtly political whereas System go for a more analytical and artistic interpretation of a variety of subjects, from art to society to science to religion to drugs to politics.

I do love both bands though. In both instances, the best albums are their self-titled debuts.

[InnocentCivilian]

yeh i don't think SOAD's political message is voiced as strongly as RATM's was. i always thought it would be narrow minded to compare such artists as the ones mentioned.
thats my opinion anyways

[Som]

Che Bow-er has a good point, I read in TIME how SOAD was a marketing success. They gave kids SOAD stickers, shirts posters etc. To have and some to give out, they told their friends and BOOM overnight success.

Definately not fighting the System, frauds some what. But you could argue they are using a medium (the label) to get through to people, although when I look at SOAD fans they are mainly metalers who are prolly near fascists, not anarchism which I think SOAD are hence them saying they are "against oppression of any kind"

I think you're just looking way too far into things.

They're not anarchists, they're not communists, (at the least they just don't call themselves either)

They're to the left sure, but theyre not frauds in any way. They make plenty of money sure, but they give plenty of money to various causes.

Its the same sort of argument against RATM, (though i agree they shouldn't really be compared) either way, they shouldn't let their ideologies screw them in the end.

A great band overall.

[bluerev002]

i really like the new album. like all the other albulms, i got mine burned (tee hee they wanted me to steal it [ok so its not really steeling]).

i really like the song BOOM!

[bluerev002]

and nah, i wouldnt call them the new RATM, still cool though. but, hey atleast their not using Che's and Villa's faces on their shirts.

[Fires of History]

Sigh, here we are again degrading bands for not being 'radical' enough.

We need to remember that true radicals aren't going to start a band, they are going to start an organization.

Also, Prison Song is now among my favorite anti-establishment songs.

Surely we can agree that SOAD is anti-establishment?

Isn't that enough? Or should we still vote them off the pristine utopian Communist wonderland?

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from Fires of History on 8:04 pm on Jan. 7, 2003
Sigh, here we are again degrading bands for not being 'radical' enough.

We need to remember that true radicals aren't going to start a band, they are going to start an organization.

Also, Prison Song is now among my favorite anti-establishment songs.

Surely we can agree that SOAD is anti-establishment?

Isn't that enough? Or should we still vote them off the pristine utopian Communist wonderland?

Couldn't have said it better myself. I have to admit I still haven't heard all of RATM's debut LP, but I'm going to go and buy it as soon as i can.

Can I ask what people think of Audioslave? I am very unimpressed, they are nothing without zack (that's right, isn't it? excuse my ignorance...), but maybe I just don't like Cornell's voice.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 3:12 pm on Jan. 8, 2003
Can I ask what people think of Audioslave? I am very unimpressed, they are nothing without zack (that's right, isn't it? excuse my ignorance...), but maybe I just don't like Cornell's voice.

People shouldn't judge Audioslave in relation to RATM. That is not doing them credit. Personally, I think they're great. But then again, I'm also partial to a bit of Zeppelin...

[red warlock]

YOU MAY COMPARE THE BETA OR THE RHYTHM OR MAYBE THE MELODICITY--THEY LOOK A BIT SIMILAR, BUT AS FAR AS LYRICS ARE CONCERNED THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT

[red warlock]

YOU MAY COMPARE THE BEAT OR THE RHYTHM OR MAYBE THE MELODICITY--THEY LOOK A BIT SIMILAR, BUT AS FAR AS LYRICS ARE CONCERNED THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT

[Invader Zim]

System of a down are not the new RATM because system of a down are good and RATM are shit. BIG FUNDIMENTAL difference.