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MilitantAnarchist
27th May 2009, 22:33
I'm a big fan of Chuck Palahniuk (author of Fight Club to those who aint read any of his books)... and i'm noticing a very anti-establishment / anarchist tendancy to his writing... someone told me he is an 'anarchist' but i wouldnt go as far to say that i dont think... but anyone who has read Lullaby, Diary, Invisible Monsters (fight club aswell but i dont mention it because of the film) can defiantly see the anti-consumerism and anti-capitalist nature of what he writes...
Was just wondering if anyone else was into him or know's more about it...

Pirate Utopian
27th May 2009, 22:41
lol, Fight Club happens to be only book by him that I read.

He seems critical of consumerist society because it causes people's life to become routinized and empty.
He's somewhat of nihilist in my eyes.

I also saw the movie Choke but didnt like it, but I havent read the book.

Pogue
27th May 2009, 22:47
I'm pretty sure he is libertarian left, that book, despite what others say, is clearly left wing.

MilitantAnarchist
27th May 2009, 22:50
lol, Fight Club happens to be only book by him that I read.

He seems critical of consumerist society because it causes people's life to become routinized and empty.
He's somewhat of nihilist in my eyes.

I also saw the movie Choke but didnt like it, but I havent read the book.

The book i've not read but its suppose to be fuckin excellent... i refuse to see the film on the basis that its going to be shit... It is very rare a film will do justice to the book, fight club was only good because of the direction and actors, and that is rare....
If you like to read i have to reccomend him, serious he is brilliant in my oppinion, my fave writer of all time...
Will try and get some quotes in a bit, but Survivor is the next one im about to start, its about a cult where all the members kill themselves except one, but he hijacks a plane and tells the story to the black box before he kills himself... the story plots are just so fucking excellent

(p.s im not his agent... honestly lol) :laugh:

mykittyhasaboner
27th May 2009, 23:03
Eh, somewhere on the left.

But it's pointless to speculate his politics based on what hes written (which might not be a complete representation of his politics).

I've only seen fight club, but according to the film; I would guess at him falling somewhere in the left, hes definitely an anti-capitalist.

Yazman
28th May 2009, 00:25
The book i've not read but its suppose to be fuckin excellent... i refuse to see the film on the basis that its going to be shit... It is very rare a film will do justice to the book, fight club was only good because of the direction and actors, and that is rare....
If you like to read i have to reccomend him, serious he is brilliant in my oppinion, my fave writer of all time...
Will try and get some quotes in a bit, but Survivor is the next one im about to start, its about a cult where all the members kill themselves except one, but he hijacks a plane and tells the story to the black box before he kills himself... the story plots are just so fucking excellent

(p.s im not his agent... honestly lol) :laugh:

The movie is fucking brilliant. Also its pretty much the book transcribed to the big screen word by word :)

Dimentio
28th May 2009, 22:12
Nihilists usually mixes together the criticism of the radical left with the criticism of the radical right. I have seen fascists who glorify him as well and claim that he adhere to their worldview. Especially in his book "Rant".

DIzzIE
29th May 2009, 02:58
DC: You’ve previously said that you’re not a nihilist and that your works are misinterpreted as nihilist. Why do you think that is, and do you think “Rant” will be received the same way?

CP: It will probably be received the same way, but my fallback is always, if you don’t believe what other folks believe, if you don’t buy into their value system, then they just write you off by calling you a nihilist. They don’t care what you believe in—it’s easy for them to say you don’t believe in anything. I think that’s why I get labeled a nihilist. But in fact, I’m totally a romantic. My books are about people destroying their own isolation and creating community. The nihilist label has kind of stuck now, 10 books, so I think it’ll continue to be thrown out there. In Europe, instead of a nihilist they call you a fascist. It’s more like a reflex that people really have very little understanding of. They just say it automatically.

(source (http://www.dailycal.org/printable.php?id=24981))


Of course, there are a lot of nihilistic themes and characters in your books. Do you consider yourself a nihilist? Do you consider yourself an anything-ist?

It’s funny, I consider myself a romantic. But I find that if you don’t really buy into the drama of what other people consider important, then people call you a nihilist. If you don’t sort of completely sign on with whatever their issue is, and especially to their side of their issue, then they call you a nihilist.
You know, I don’t happen to think that books should be these beautiful, comforting, sort of sedating, elegant things; that’s not the kind of storytelling that I really enjoy. And since I don’t choose to do that (laughs), you know, I get called a nihilist.

(source (http://web.archive.org/web/20060101133502/www.cerebellumink.com/interviews/chuckp1.php))

Stark
11th June 2009, 06:10
I can't quite figure out whether Fight Club promotes petit-bourgeois ultraleftism or pissed-off white men's populism. Some of Project Mayhem's tactics such as terrorist acts are characteristic of anarchism, but Durden's rants about the emasculation of men come across as fascist.

berlitz23
14th June 2009, 18:26
Danielewski is better

Trystan
14th June 2009, 18:56
As has been noted on this forum before, Tyler Durden envisions a primitivist future in Fight Club.