NoHistoricalBackspin - Ever heard of this org?

[Hostage]

I was checking out some website of a speedcore label, and they had this org linked on their website, wanted to check out what you guys think of it.

http://www.nobackspin.de

They donate all the money to some other organization which seems to be strictly against neo-nazism, but im sure they're not on the leftist/anarchist side. Heres the link:

http://www.amadeu-antonio-stiftung.de/eng/

What do you guys think about it?

[rednordman]

Ha, I think that i'm the only person who has actually hear of this label on this forum. Is it the one that drokz wears on his t-shirt from time to time, with a picture of a man binning a swastika?

[Hostage]

Yeah it's some dj guy one hand on the decks and the other binning a swastika..

i didnt know drokz was also part of it, and i'm personally glad (i thought most gabber/hardcore/speedcore fans were fascist by default haha)

I found the logo to that org off the Terrornoize Industry label site, which i discovered recently.

[rednordman]

Yeah it's some dj guy one hand on the decks and the other binning a swastika..

i didnt know drokz was also part of it, and i'm personally glad (i thought most gabber/hardcore/speedcore fans were fascist by default haha)

I found the logo to that org off the Terrornoize Industry label site, which i discovered recently. I think alot has been done in both Holland and Germany over this, as there is a big problem with nazis in those scenes unfortuanetly, and obviously, all these DJs/Producers despise the Nazis as they are like paracites eating away at their scene.

In many sences the dutch media is to blame for constantly showing footage of nazis at raves, thus trying to make gabber/speedcore synomynous with the far-right.

As a result, nazis see this on TV, and think..'This music is well ard, lets go and identify our selves with this 'image' and ruin things!'. Thus leaving the actual genuine fans alienated and the DJs/producers left cleaning things up.

I think mabye there should be a whole new thread on this. Whether people love or hate that type of music, its still no reason to tolerate racists bigots who know nothing about life, and want to ruin society.

As for any anti-facist, who thinks this music scene is not worth of notice, because its not fashionable or cool, I will add that alot of these places are spawning grounds for young, impressionable youths, to get sapped into the Nazi trap. Especially the smaller raves i might add.

[Sasha]

new dutch party organisation that takes an strong anti-racist/anti-fascist stance: http://www.strengthofunity.nl/

http://www.geocities.com/rtcfanpage/united.jpg

[rednordman]

new dutch party organisation that takes an strong anti-racist/anti-fascist stance: http://www.strengthofunity.nl/

http://www.geocities.com/rtcfanpage/united.jpg Before I got into socialistic politics, this made me very proud to be listening to hardcore, all of a sudden.:)

[Hostage]

Found this video on google.video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4283316365257082315

Hardcore united, it time to make our stand! :P

(Maybe I should do that logo as a banner, and hang it in our parties, too good not to)

PS: its in dutch apparently though..



and i just found the track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae9jY-IwyP8

[Sasha]

the "united" logo is designed by a friend of mine and free to use (there is no copyright on it), there should also be an version floating around on the web wich says "united hardcore against racism & hate"..

the party where the youtube vid is about was an huge one time off but it inspired difrent party organisations to take an more active anti-racist stance.

[Sasha]

some dutch top hardcore dj's that support this kind of party's (and probily would be willing to play there) are:
buzz fuzz
flaman & abraxas
neophyte
darkraver
and most other dj's contected to either the rotterdam terror corps (rotterdam) or the former mokum records (amsterdam)

[Hostage]

yes

also recently i discovered tracks by I:gor (breakcore/gabber) which mention anti-nazism in his tracks etc..

dj freak also (dunno if he's on mokum)

[rednordman]

some dutch top hardcore dj's that support this kind of party's (and probily would be willing to play there) are:
buzz fuzz
flaman & abraxas
neophyte
darkraver
and most other dj's contected to either the rotterdam terror corps (rotterdam) or the former mokum records (amsterdam) Interesting. I always remember seeing tracks listed on kazaa under the names of Neophyte and RTC, with the title 'seig heil' and such like that. I always knew that they where bogus and not produced by any of these artists, but why do people do such things in the first place? Especially, when the MC is black.

Also why did the media seen so hellbent of labeling the gabbers as nazis, when some of the first and most influential DJs/Producers are not white anyway(DJs Paul, Darkraver, Gizmo, abraxas etc.)? - love them or hate them, they definitly contributed alot at the beginning of the scene, at least.

[redSHARP]

hardcore, as in gabber, and electronic in general, is generally anti-politics. its like the skinhead scene, no nazis but no reds (didnt stop me:laugh:!!). i have a few friends who are skins who were connected to the old school raver scene in the 1990's, usually through friends and dating relationships. the scene should not be politised in my view, but of course the nazis should be booted, and they usually follow this theory as well.

curious though; do the gabbers fuck up nazis at shows like punks & skins do?

[rednordman]

hardcore, as in gabber, and electronic in general, is generally anti-politics. its like the skinhead scene, no nazis but no reds (didnt stop me:laugh:!!). i have a few friends who are skins who were connected to the old school raver scene in the 1990's, usually through friends and dating relationships. the scene should not be politised in my view, but of course the nazis should be booted, and they usually follow this theory as well.

curious though; do the gabbers fuck up nazis at shows like punks & skins do?Not to sure, all i do know was during the large scale raves during the early 90s, there was quite abit of violence. Not sure whether this had more to do with Ajax fc and Feyenord FC rivalry though.

[Sasha]

Interesting. I always remember seeing tracks listed on kazaa under the names of Neophyte and RTC, with the title 'seig heil' and such like that. I always knew that they where bogus and not produced by any of these artists, but why do people do such things in the first place? Especially, when the MC is black.

why did a lot of the NF skins listen to Ska?
when there is a macho scene dominated by white frustrated working class youth there is almost an certainty the racists will show up at some time.


Also why did the media seen so hellbent of labeling the gabbers as nazis, when some of the first and most influential DJs/Producers are not white anyway(DJs Paul, Darkraver, Gizmo, abraxas etc.)? - love them or hate them, they definitly contributed alot at the beginning of the scene, at least.

same reason they where hell bent on labeling skinheads, punks, gothics, metalheads etc etc as nazi's, making the unresanble fears of the older genaration acceptable,
most times it didn't catch on, some times it did. in this and the case of skinheads it did, probily because there was an ellement of thuth in it, a lot of the fans did had some daft racist ideas, racist and neo-fascist groups did activily try to reqruit in the scene and the scene didnt take an stance fast enough.



curious though; do the gabbers fuck up nazis at shows like punks & skins do?

most of the times not, the scene more or less splitted, the old original crowd from the big multicultural city's now go to hardstyle and classics party's where the nazi's and wazi's (daft whitepower but not organised kiddo's) are not (and dont feel) welcome.
the very few active nazi's that are left in the scene (most turned "skinhead" or autonomus nazi and listen to OI/RAC/metal/hardcore-punk now) and the wazi's only showup at the realy big terror party's like hellraiser and tunderdome.
and yes there they nowadays sometimes get their asses kicked (hard), espacily if they are so stupid to cary whitepower symbols or siegheil.
but as far as i know almost all party organisation outright ban extreme right symbols (and football parfanalia).

[Sam_b]

Wouldn't this be more appropriate in Music?

[Hostage]

we're essentially also talking about anti-fascism, so it would fit in both the music forum and this one i think (if it didn't im sure holden would have moved it immediatley)

[Sam_b]

I happen to think its more appropriate for music solely so that forum also reaches its full potential: form what youve been talking about I gather its geared a lot on anti-fascism movements through music.

[Holden Caulfield]

we're essentially also talking about anti-fascism, so it would fit in both the music forum and this one i think (if it didn't im sure holden would have moved it immediatley)

I only got mod powers today gimme some time ;)


I happen to think its more appropriate for music solely so that forum also reaches its full potential: form what youve been talking about I gather its geared a lot on anti-fascism movements through music.

I'm gonna keep it here as I feel the forum should be a place for all antifascist 'stuff' be that football supporters, music, designs or whatever.

[Tjis]

Interesting. I always remember seeing tracks listed on kazaa under the names of Neophyte and RTC, with the title 'seig heil' and such like that. I always knew that they where bogus and not produced by any of these artists, but why do people do such things in the first place? Especially, when the MC is black.
They do this to reach a public that is kinda xenophobic, but who would never visit a nationalist website. an example:

Some hardcore fan is downloading hardcore from their favorite artists. When he encounters a mp3 with a provocative name like "sieg heil" or "white power" it sparks his curiosity. Of course he probably realizes that it wasn't created by their favorite artist but that doesn't matter because the song is totally badass. he puts it on his mp3 player and lets his friends listen to it.

Someone from this group of friends then googles for music like that. Soon he ends up on a nationalist site offering free music downloads. These songs are also badass and provocative, with themes like antisemitism and race war. This person also puts the music on their mp3 player and lets all of his friends listen to it as well.

When someone asks where they got the music from, they show him the nationalist website. Someone who are already kinda patriotic and xenophobic will not only download the music, but will also start looking around on the site, which doesn't only offer nationalist hardcore, but also various nationalist texts and most importantly a discussion forum.

On the board he participates in various discussions. Since he's rather new to nationalism his contributions are usually like "black people must go back to their own country cause they're all criminals on welfare". Other people on the board can then introduce him to various ideas like antisemitism ("it's an international zionist conspiracy which makes black people come to our country") and extreme nationalism ("every culture has a natural location on this planet. It's unnatural and wrong for black people to be here, because the difference in culture can't be overcome and will only lead to anti-social behavior").

After a month or so a nationalist group organizes a meeting and he is invited. At the meeting he finally meets the people he has been communicating with all this time. There's a good atmosphere, everyone is friendly and there's a lot of beer. he talks to the people there and learns all about the things the organization does. At the end of the evening he returns home with a backpack filled with nationalist stickers, posters, nationalist educational texts and a bunch of new phone numbers. Undoubtedly he'll be called soon to help spread flyers for the good cause, or participate in a demonstration. And he will, because he is no longer just a youngster interested in the provocative message of nationalist hardcore songs, it has become his ideology.

Of course not everyone who hears a hardcore song with a title like "sieg heil" becomes a fascist bastard all of a sudden (even if they like the song) but it can be enough to start a process that eventually radicalizes some people to the far right, especially if the music is accompanied with more serious forms of information.
In the Netherlands we have a forum called "holland hardcore" which does what I described above. The site hosts nationalist hardcore mp3's and ringtones, but also various texts and a discussion forum. Most of the people on this discussion forum (including the moderators) are a member of the nationalist organization Voorpost. Voorposts organizes monthly meetings in various places, which is a great way for them to keep in touch and attract new members who would not go to a demonstration right away.

[Melbourne Lefty]

They do this to reach a public that is kinda xenophobic, but who would never visit a nationalist website. an example:

Some hardcore fan is downloading hardcore from their favorite artists. When he encounters a mp3 with a provocative name like "sieg heil" or "white power" it sparks his curiosity. Of course he probably realizes that it wasn't created by their favorite artist but that doesn't matter because the song is totally badass. he puts it on his mp3 player and lets his friends listen to it.

Someone from this group of friends then googles for music like that. Soon he ends up on a nationalist site offering free music downloads. These songs are also badass and provocative, with themes like antisemitism and race war. This person also puts the music on their mp3 player and lets all of his friends listen to it as well.

When someone asks where they got the music from, they show him the nationalist website. Someone who are already kinda patriotic and xenophobic will not only download the music, but will also start looking around on the site, which doesn't only offer nationalist hardcore, but also various nationalist texts and most importantly a discussion forum.

On the board he participates in various discussions. Since he's rather new to nationalism his contributions are usually like "black people must go back to their own country cause they're all criminals on welfare". Other people on the board can then introduce him to various ideas like antisemitism ("it's an international zionist conspiracy which makes black people come to our country") and extreme nationalism ("every culture has a natural location on this planet. It's unnatural and wrong for black people to be here, because the difference in culture can't be overcome and will only lead to anti-social behavior").

After a month or so a nationalist group organizes a meeting and he is invited. At the meeting he finally meets the people he has been communicating with all this time. There's a good atmosphere, everyone is friendly and there's a lot of beer. he talks to the people there and learns all about the things the organization does. At the end of the evening he returns home with a backpack filled with nationalist stickers, posters, nationalist educational texts and a bunch of new phone numbers. Undoubtedly he'll be called soon to help spread flyers for the good cause, or participate in a demonstration. And he will, because he is no longer just a youngster interested in the provocative message of nationalist hardcore songs, it has become his ideology.

Of course not everyone who hears a hardcore song with a title like "sieg heil" becomes a fascist bastard all of a sudden (even if they like the song) but it can be enough to start a process that eventually radicalizes some people to the far right, especially if the music is accompanied with more serious forms of information.
In the Netherlands we have a forum called "holland hardcore" which does what I described above. The site hosts nationalist hardcore mp3's and ringtones, but also various texts and a discussion forum. Most of the people on this discussion forum (including the moderators) are a member of the nationalist organization Voorpost. Voorposts organizes monthly meetings in various places, which is a great way for them to keep in touch and attract new members who would not go to a demonstration right away.

This is a perfect layout of how kids can be corrupted by far right music.

It amazes me how many of the nazis you see on the web were recruited by the likes of Skrewdriver many moons ago.

as they grew older a lot of them settled down and discarded some of the more extreme stuff and simply became extremist racists with faint nazi sympathies, these people formed the activist base for groups like Vlaams Belang and the BNP.

this music can cause a great deal of damage years after it is put out.

[redSHARP]

WTF?! i never heard of this during the rave scene in the 90's/neo-rave scene today. the rave scene in the USA took a trance/happy hardcore candy raver style (from what i could gather). i asked my old ravers friends, and they all said that there was no politics in the scene and they do not recall any nazis.


the thing about hardcore electronic, is that it is relatively easy to produce and to destribute. i think antifacists should offer free cd's that could counter the nazi-core music. we offered free punk cd's, why not hardcore? it doesnt have to be overtly leftist, just anti-racist.


ps. i there any openly leftist hardcore music out there?

[Tjis]

ps. i there any openly leftist hardcore music out there?
Does digital hardcore count? I believe all those bands on the Digital Hardcore Recordings label were leftwing.
And there's the one vinyl that was made for the previously mentioned Harcore United party which is anti-fascist.

[redSHARP]

cool thanks!!:cool: