Who is the best rapper? - I think it is Nas [Archive]

Spiritual Minded

13th December 2002, 18:01

1. Lauryn Hill (Have you ever heard L spit a weak rhyme? She's just ALWAYS on point with her lyrics).
2. KRS-ONE (Probably the G.O.A.T. M.C., not to mention his contributions to the Culture).
3. Tupac
4. Guru
5. Nas
6. Talib Kweli
7. Common
8. Dead Prez
The future:
9. Cy Young
10 Apani B-Fly MC

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Deifnitely cop God's Son... it's as good as Stillmatic but on another level (it got a few weak tracks) but then again Stillmatic had Smokin', Braveheart Party and Rewind.

01. Get Down - 5
02. The Cross - 5
03. Made You Look - 4.5
04. Last Real Nigga Alive - 4.5
05. Zone Out (no the beat is not grimmy or whatever) 2.5-3
06. Hey Nas 3.5
07. I Can - (The 2 last lines on the 3rd verse sound wack) 4.5-5
08. Book of Rhymes - 4.5
09. Thugz Mansion 5
10. Mastermind - 3.5-4
11. Warrior Song - (Musically it's a good track... but the title had me think he was on some Redemption Song type shit, but he's talkin bout himself ha) 4
12. Revolutionary Warfare - 4.5
13. Dance - 5
14. Heaven - 5 (good last track on the album)

the bonus disc was unneccesary

(Edited by Spiritual Minded at 6:10 pm on Dec. 13, 2002)

canikickit

13th December 2002, 18:49

I'm going to stamp on Nas's face, he's an idiot.

My favorite emcee is someone off Rawkus. I don't care, any of them. Maybe Pharoahe Monch.

BOZG

13th December 2002, 20:57

My favourite emcee overall has to be Big Daddy Kane. I'm not saying he's the greatest lyricist or the most conscious emcee but the man can seriously flow whether its freestylin or just straight rappin.

Umoja

13th December 2002, 21:42

I really was feeling E-Roc when he was in the Coup, but he's left. I think he found God, or something else. Damn.

13th December 2002, 23:48

Are we talking Greatest of All Time (GOAT)?

OK then.......KRS-One. From the battle, to the rhymes, to the beats.....NO ONE can see KRS.

Chuck D? Come on. He had skills and his content was some of the greatest shit ever but can you see Chuck battling KRS? Come one KRS hands down.

E-Roc from the Coup? Ummmm....you obviously don't know anything about hip hop.

Big Daddy Kane? Perhaps. But where is he now? He couldn't sustain in the game.

Nas? He has skills. He's top ten right now. But no KRS

Big Zack? Come on....no comment

Mad lion? Cool but KRS could mop him up.

Mack Daddy or the Daddy Mack? That's tough they are such great lyricsts.....

Biggie? He's like number two

Pac? He tied with Biggie

So, no one wants to mention Mos Def, huh? He comes right after big, pac, and KRS. Mos Def is the greatest of the "newer" rappers. He will be in the game for a LONG time.

Don't sleep on Jay-Z either. He may not be top ten but the dude can flow.

Eminem. Content sucks. Skills though? He is amazing. Don't underestimate him either. If he would only say SOMETHING in his ryhmes!!!

j

Lardlad95

14th December 2002, 00:03

FIRST OFF "MADE YOU LOOK" IS TEH WACKEST SONG IN EXISTENCE IT'S AWFUL AND I HATE IT WITH A PASSION

THat being said teh top three in no particular order

1. Mos Def
2. Talib Kweli
3. Black Thought

I like Nas but he is to damn inconsitent to be great. He'll be good just to fall off again

Umoja

14th December 2002, 05:15

KRS-One I can't really respect since he's put his songs in all these Shoe Commercials. I really can feel Black Thought though, but he doesn't stand for much.

And who are you to tell me I don't listen to much Hip-Hop? Just because I like an esoteric rapper?

MegatroN

14th December 2002, 08:32

Jay-z can flow? since when? I hate that fat lipped fuckface almost as bad as the Cash Money click.

1. Mos Def
2. Guru
3. KRS One
4. Pfifie Dog
5. Talib Kweli
6. Q-tip
7. Common
8. Dilated Peoples
9. Jurassic 5
10. 2 pac

Spiritual Minded

14th December 2002, 08:53

"KRS-One I can't really respect since he's put his songs in all these Shoe Commercials" WHAT? I'm in Sweden and can't see American television but i never heard anything about shoe commercials...i can't believe it's true...but anyway...you can not be serious...KRS-ONE has made more for the art of rhymin and Hiphop CULTURE than any other MC.....man!

(Edited by Spiritual Minded at 8:54 am on Dec. 14, 2002)

Umoja

14th December 2002, 17:06

Hey, he still did a Shoe commerical. And while I'm at it, I think Q-Tip flows pretty well to.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!

14th December 2002, 18:26

I really hate Jay-Z, altough I am not a rap fan, the dude wears a shirt of Che, our symbol of ppl who give up every thing to make the world a better place.

Then u see his ugly head on tv wearing his Che shirt. Singing lyrics about more "*****es, bling bling" and u see his diamonds and gold chains. I mean the guy says, wears and lives the exact oposite of Che.

Fuck Jay-Z the dude is just a pafetic trendy.(Emenim is most pafetic rapper):wink:

Spiritual Minded

14th December 2002, 19:18

commercial for what brand? what KRS song was it? are you sure he gave his permission?

BOZG

14th December 2002, 20:26

BDK would destroy KRS in a freestyle. Well maybe not destroy but you know what I mean. KRS may be one of the greatest lyricists but BDK is by far more all round than KRS. As for him not sustaining in the game, is KRS really still sustaining any more? Not many people even know who he is. He may be still bringing albums out but that doesn't mean he's still going strong.

Lardlad95

14th December 2002, 21:13

Quote: from Umoja on 5:15 am on Dec. 14, 2002
KRS-One I can't really respect since he's put his songs in all these Shoe Commercials. I really can feel Black Thought though, but he doesn't stand for much.

And who are you to tell me I don't listen to much Hip-Hop? Just because I like an esoteric rapper?

well Black Thought makes more concious comments on Phrenology

Pussy Galore is about how teh media uses sex to sell everything

and Water is about Drugs and how the fuck up peoples lives

but a warning to all teh second half of water that is all instrumental is creepy as hell

14th December 2002, 21:21

KRS-One did a Nike commercial. He rapped over the Gil Scott Heron beat "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised." He said "The revolution is basketball" at the end of the commercial.

Mos Def's "Umi" (i think thats what its called) is also in a Nike shoe commercial.

A Tribe Called Quest were in a Sprite commercial as was Pete Rock and CL Smooth.

Now you can't tell me Q-Tip, Phife Dawg, Mos Def, and KRS are not some of the best MCs of all time. Doing a commercial sucks, it goes against my values, but it has nothing to do with ryhme skills.

BDK would lose to KRS. It would be a hot battle but I got faith in KRS. KRS is not that popular anymore, I think his last great album was "Return of Boom Bap" in like 93 or 94. His later shit was kinda wack, with only a few gems. But KRS is still out there puttin in work and where is BDK?

I hate what Jay-Z, Nas, and Eminem stand for. However, they are lyrically some of the best rappers on the planet. The realest shit I ever heard Jay-Z spit was on Busta Ryhmes "Anarchy" CD, track #20 ( i think, its the one with DMX too). Jay-Z may be a walking commercial but he CAN ryhme. No one wants to call Pac and Biggie on this shit though. They both had LOTS of jewlry, big cars, etc. What did Biggie rap about? Sure had some real shit but he also did the champagne/bling bling thing--don't forget that. Remember the Hypmotize video?

If you think someone from the Coup is a good rapper your idea of what a good rapper is is confused. Sure he may rap about worthwile things but his delivery is off, his diction sucks, he doesn't know where the hook in the song is....I could go on. I'm not saying he sucks, but just to put him on a GOAT list with Mos Def, Big, Pac, BDK, and KRS-One is like blasphemy. Just because the Coup rap about socialist ideals does not mean they are skillful in their craft. I LOVE what Zack says in a song like CIA but I don't think he could really battle someone like KRS. There is a difference between content and delivery. KRS, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Guru, Big Daddy Kane, 2Pac,--they all had/have a brilliant combination of both. Unfortunatly Eminem, Jay-Z, and Nas have the delivery but not the content. But when you put it on a scale, delivery and content are not on equal planes.

I would say that a good rap could be broken down like this: 70% delivery, 30% content. You need both to be the 100% best rapper. People like the Coup score a 30 in content but like a 20 in delivery, making them ultimately not allowed on a GOAT list.

j

Lardlad95

14th December 2002, 21:31

I like the coup butthey have one great problem

Basicaly they are all those weak ass bling bling ho rappers except they are marxist.

There beats are basically the same

To be great you need delivery and ncontent

but to many people want only content....well actually not enough but I mean people like us.

Thats why I like Kweli, Mos, and Thought

each one can make a very concious song and still make a song that is just bangin and the best part is all of them can make it sound good.

Kweli-he can make "The Proud" and "Get by" but still make a fun song like "waiting for the DJ"

Mos- "Mr. Nigga" "Theives in the Night" both concious but he can still make "Ms. Fat booty"

Thought- "What they do" or "Water" both concious then you got "The Next Movement" which is one the banginest songs ever

they are all versitile

BOZG

14th December 2002, 21:50

BDK might not be out there anymore but if KRS was to stop bringing out albums would it really matter? Besides the people that actually know who he is, it would have no change on the culture really.

(Edited by BornOfZapatasGuns at 9:52 pm on Dec. 14, 2002)

Umoja

14th December 2002, 22:09

To me Content is more like 50% though... So that's why they'd beat out other guys... or maybe it's just that I don't like mainstream rap cause my sister likes it... Who knows?

canikickit

14th December 2002, 23:10

I like Canibus, Xzibit and Ras Kass.

I don't think the content of the whole rhyme is important for a battle, but you've got to have quality one liners/couplets.

Sasafrás

14th December 2002, 23:29

Mos Def, Talib Kweli, and since I mentioned those two, I may as well say Black Star. Common, The Roots.

Personally, I like Eminem. Considering the fact that he's pretty commercial, (some of) his lyrics do have a lot of depth. RATM has been commercial, and I don't see many people here ragging on them or Zack de la. Jay-Z is good as well. "Song Cry" is beautiful. And, I don't understand this deal about him wearing a Che Guevara shirt. So, because he's a rapper and he's rich, he can't have an appreciation for what Che stood for? That's a very bad generalization. I've heard that Jay-Z has talked about Che and how much he admires him. Hell, I own a gold class ring, Nike shoes, Adidas, and I like jewelry and nice clothes. Does that mean that I can't have admiration for Che?

Yes, Mos Def had "Umi Says" in a Nike commercial, but he also was very concerned about accusations that the Nike company owns sweat shops in foreign lands and had he not been assured that they didn't, he wouldn't have allowed his song to be used.

So, off of the tangent. I think Mos Def, Talib, The Roots, Nas, Common, Jay-Z, and Eminem are some of the better hip-hop artists/rappers around right now. Oh, and the Chilean group Makiza too. But, then again, I don't even listen to too much rap.

BasementAddix

15th December 2002, 00:05

I have a few....eminem...nas...cage...sage...evidence...nat ural elements (as a group)...mf doom...
q-tip...starang...biggie...havoc...50cent...thats just for the rap catagory...

Sasafrás

15th December 2002, 00:08

I forgot Q-Tip!

Also, Missy Elliot has a very unique style, especially as a female artist. I dig her..

ovrproofmentalz

15th December 2002, 00:20

no rakim allah? what place is this that the father of metaphors, political and conscious rap gets no love...

forshame on all so called hip hop heads

Lefty

15th December 2002, 01:37

rakim, zach de la, mos def, the roots, tupac, del the funky homosapien, eminem. Eminem isnt all that great of a lyricist (the exception being "stan") however, the guy has great skill. In one scene in 8 mile he changes his vocal rythm 3 times in about 10 seconds. He gets my respect.

Umoja

15th December 2002, 04:31

After reviewing my old Music, feeling detatched from Hip-Hop after hearing J's comment. I have to say I think Q-Tip is one of the best Rappers after hearing "Find" and the Remix of "Jazz".

Michael De Panama

15th December 2002, 06:03

Fuck you all. Gangsta' Boo is the greatest rapper of all time.

Just take a look at this:
http://rapmusic.reigm.com/lyrics/gangstabo...uckalil_boo.txt (http://rapmusic.reigm.com/lyrics/gangstaboo/enquire/suckalil_boo.txt)
How can you argue with that? Those are clearly the most sophisticated lyrics ever written.

Come on, that puts Del Tha Funky Homosepian or Zack De La Rocha or The Roots or any of those other amateurs other there to shame, no question.

Does anybody want to fight about it?

BOZG

15th December 2002, 12:20

After Rakim and Eric B split, Ra went downhill. He'd still be in my top ten just not up in the top three.

Dan Majerle

15th December 2002, 12:37

2pac is number 1 followed by Snoop. Those guys were the greatest rappers and lyricists. Though Snoop has somewhat fallen lately with his commercial crap, he is a superb freestyler and 2pac was real and blunt.

Umoja

15th December 2002, 15:37

"It's all about u" was one of the greatest songs ever.

Lardlad95

15th December 2002, 17:32

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 6:03 am on Dec. 15, 2002
Fuck you all. Gangsta' Boo is the greatest rapper of all time.

Just take a look at this:
http://rapmusic.reigm.com/lyrics/gangstabo...uckalil_boo.txt (http://rapmusic.reigm.com/lyrics/gangstaboo/enquire/suckalil_boo.txt)
How can you argue with that? Those are clearly the most sophisticated lyrics ever written.

Come on, that puts Del Tha Funky Homosepian or Zack De La Rocha or The Roots or any of those other amateurs other there to shame, no question.

Does anybody want to fight about it?

damn it now brain cells are retaining those damn lyrics I wasted memory on those...ugggh

Lardlad95

15th December 2002, 17:34

Quote: from La Rainbeaux on 12:08 am on Dec. 15, 2002
I forgot Q-Tip!

Also, Missy Elliot has a very unique style, especially as a female artist. I dig her..

shayla I love you to deaht but Missy? why

man she is arbage like no other

she was good back when she ws fat...she lost weight, she lost talent...like Luther Vandros

canikickit

15th December 2002, 17:57

Beep beep, who got the keys to my jeep.....vrrooooooommmmm!!

Spiritual Minded

15th December 2002, 18:48

"As for him not sustaining in the game, is KRS really still sustaining any more? Not many people even know who he is. He may be still bringing albums out but that doesn't mean he's still going strong. "

I can't believe you said that!! KRS is better than ever before!! You thought he fell of after Boom Bap?! then what about his self-titled album? or the Sneak Attack? have you even heard those? i can't believe everyone's shittin on KRS-ONE these days... no, people might not talk about him anymore, or listen to him... but chartpositions is not what's givin you authority... believe me when he'll die - that's when people will dig in the archieves and be like Whoa....not just for his MC skills, but he has done sooo much for the Hiphop Culture...THEN people will raise him to the skys, like Biggie and Pac.....DAMN...it's true, no recognition until you dead..... this post is not dircted at you personally, i just snap when i hear a comment like that

Spiritual Minded

15th December 2002, 18:55

lol @ SO CALLED hiphop heads...HAHA...cuz Rakim is not our favorite MC? of course he gets props, he is definitely a lyricist and have made great contributions...i'm not just feelin him like a lot of other rappers...i don't really think he "fell off" though...i think 18th Letter was just as hot as any of their earliest albums...maybe not with the same impact they had...but it's definitely a hot album!

Spiritual Minded

15th December 2002, 18:58

"KRS is not that popular anymore, I think his last great album was "Return of Boom Bap" in like 93 or 94. His later shit was kinda wack, with only a few gems."

Ahh!!! you're givin me an heart attack!

Palmares

16th December 2002, 08:12

Nas is possibly the best, but he said "ain't no best". He was wack on Illmatic, shit for a while but back on track with Stillmatic, The Lost Tapes and from what I've heard from God's son too. KRS-One is awesome, but not quite as good as Nas. Tupac and Biggie were on par wit each other, but fucked themselves with all the gangstaar shit, resulting in their tragic deaths. Rakim is fucking awesome, shout out to him. But I must agree he is on the way down, but I still have hope in him. Chuck D is also awesome, he had some wack emceeing skills. Lastly, Eminem is another with really good emceeing skills, but he much like Tupac and Biggie, but two of his songs on the 8 mile soundtrack demostrate there is hope in him yet.
I think rapping is about the emceeing, and to add favour to the rhymes, we need some wack beats. A good rapper is a good emcee, and good beats make a polished song.
Best emcee ever?
1 - ...
2 - Nas
2- Tupac
2 - Biggie Smalls
3 - Jay-Z (But he a fat-lipped fuckhead)
3 - Rakim
4 - Chuck D
4 - KRS-One

And who cares about the rest. But taking all in consideration, I think Nas is the illest.

"Representin' is illmatic"
- Nas

Lardlad95

16th December 2002, 11:58

Quote: from Cthenthar on 8:12 am on Dec. 16, 2002
Nas is possibly the best, but he said "ain't no best". He was wack on Illmatic, shit for a while but back on track with Stillmatic, The Lost Tapes and from what I've heard from God's son too. KRS-One is awesome, but not quite as good as Nas. Tupac and Biggie were on par wit each other, but fucked themselves with all the gangstaar shit, resulting in their tragic deaths. Rakim is fucking awesome, shout out to him. But I must agree he is on the way down, but I still have hope in him. Chuck D is also awesome, he had some wack emceeing skills. Lastly, Eminem is another with really good emceeing skills, but he much like Tupac and Biggie, but two of his songs on the 8 mile soundtrack demostrate there is hope in him yet.
I think rapping is about the emceeing, and to add favour to the rhymes, we need some wack beats. A good rapper is a good emcee, and good beats make a polished song.
Best emcee ever?
1 - ...
2 - Nas
2- Tupac
2 - Biggie Smalls
3 - Jay-Z (But he a fat-lipped fuckhead)
3 - Rakim
4 - Chuck D
4 - KRS-One

And who cares about the rest. But taking all in consideration, I think Nas is the illest.

"Representin' is illmatic"
- Nas

OK has anyone heard "Made You Look"?

That song is THE WACK

it's WACKtasitc

it's wacker than a computer geek rapping along with his cash money cd.

Spiritual Minded

18th December 2002, 19:07

no, it's not wack... the beat is hot... can you imagine hearin that shit live??! yeah i admit when i first heard that song a couple of months ago i was like damn...im not coppin Nas new album...this is wack....but it's growin on me....and it's a good single....and the video is tight as hell

Lardlad95

18th December 2002, 19:23

Quote: from Spiritual Minded on 7:07 pm on Dec. 18, 2002
no, it's not wack... the beat is hot... can you imagine hearin that shit live??! yeah i admit when i first heard that song a couple of months ago i was like damn...im not coppin Nas new album...this is wack....but it's growin on me....and it's a good single....and the video is tight as hell

No for real kid it is wack...shit i make beats like that while I'm sitting in class.

I like Nas and I might buy God's son but if that is the direction of the albuum....

The video is aight.......

Rob

18th December 2002, 21:15

I think you all are forgetting a certain genius who needs no mention. His name is Slick Rick.

Sasafrás

18th December 2002, 22:24

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 12:03 am on Dec. 15, 2002
Fuck you all. Gangsta' Boo is the greatest rapper of all time.

Just take a look at this:
http://rapmusic.reigm.com/lyrics/gangstabo...uckalil_boo.txt (http://rapmusic.reigm.com/lyrics/gangstaboo/enquire/suckalil_boo.txt)
How can you argue with that? Those are clearly the most sophisticated lyrics ever written.

Does anybody want to fight about it?
Hey, she's from my hometown...

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 11:34 am on Dec. 15, 2002
shayla I love you to deaht but Missy? why

man she is arbage like no other

she was good back when she ws fat...she lost weight, she lost talent...like Luther VandrosI'm not necessarily saying she's one of the best, but she's different.. I like her style. At least she's not like that Gangsta Boo (Who now refers to herself as "Lady Boo" because she has "found God" or something)...

And, on Luther. I really was beginning to be annoyed by that "excuse me, miss" garbage. He needs to go eat something so he can be obese again..

El Brujo

19th December 2002, 00:28

I think its between Esham and Ice-T.

abstractmentality

19th December 2002, 02:50

im not sure who is the best of all time, but i will throw a name up that is up there somewhere: Jeru The Damaja. i just love this guy. KRS-one is up there too. i know i can think of some other names, but im in my (International) Noise Conspiracy, Refused, and DJ Shadow faze right now...

Palmares

19th December 2002, 07:48

All you is sayin is WACK-SHIT.

Represent'n is ILLMATIC.

(Sorry about all this rap talk, it just seems appropriate)

Lardlad95

19th December 2002, 11:40

Quote: from Cthenthar on 7:48 am on Dec. 19, 2002
All you is sayin is WACK-SHIT.

Represent'n is ILLMATIC.

(Sorry about all this rap talk, it just seems appropriate)

Lets See: Maximum points are, @@@@@

Beat: @@

Lyrics: @@@

Hook: @

Video: @@ 1/2

OVERALL: @@ 1/8

Conclusion: NAs has done better

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 11:41 am on Dec. 19, 2002)

hawarameen

19th December 2002, 13:43

i think i am the best rapper,

i can rap 10 presents in 30 minutes, beat that!!!

Ari HR

19th December 2002, 19:48

1. DMX (nobody mentioned him:shocked:)
2.Tupac
3. Nas

DMX has cool songs, great voice and looks dangerous (I like this about rappers).

Lardlad95

19th December 2002, 23:27

Quote: from Ari HR on 7:48 pm on Dec. 19, 2002
1. DMX (nobody mentioned him:shocked:)

...DMX has cool songs, great voice and looks dangerous (I like this about rappers).

SAY WHAT? OKAY PEOPLE THATS IT, HIP-HOP IS OVER, GO HOME...IT WAS FUN WHILE IT LASTED

Palmares

19th December 2002, 23:52

Muthafuckers don't say shit, they know shit.

DMX is a good person, but fuck being tough, and fuck his music (most of it sounds like Ja Rule, at least his voice, but he does have some wack songs)

Hip-Hop is dieing, but not yet dead. With Nas throwing away the game, and getting back to the music, there is hope yet.

"Represent'n is ILLMATIC"
-NAS

Lardlad95

19th December 2002, 23:55

Quote: from Cthenthar on 11:52 pm on Dec. 19, 2002
Muthafuckers don't say shit, they know shit.

DMX is a good person, but fuck being tough, and fuck his music (most of it sounds like Ja Rule, at least his voice, but he does have some wack songs)

Hip-Hop is dieing, but not yet dead. With Nas throwing away the game, and getting back to the music, there is hope yet.

"Represent'n is ILLMATIC"
-NAS

Yeah i suppose but I just wish Nas wasn't so damn commercial....

and seriously he needs to find a new person to make beats for him

I wonder how he and DJ. Quik would do...or Dj. Hi-Tek

Palmares

20th December 2002, 00:11

I am in agreeance there. In my country (Australia) he isn't very commercial. I haven't yet met another rap fan who actually knows who he is.

It is always the same old rappers they know, Tupac, Biggie, Snoop, Xzibit and shit like that.

The main thing is, is NAS getting more, or less commercial now? I hate to say it, but I think more.

Triple X

20th December 2002, 21:02

I say that best rapper is DMX (TUPAC is not bad)

Lardlad95

20th December 2002, 22:46

Quote: from Triple X on 9:02 pm on Dec. 20, 2002
I say that best rapper is DMX (TUPAC is not bad)

that...is so...sad....damn man DMX FOR REAL? BUT WHY?

MegatroN

21st December 2002, 00:52

Quote: from Triple X on 9:02 pm on Dec. 20, 2002
I say that best rapper is DMX (TUPAC is not bad)

He's just a wannabe Pac, but he comes off actin crazy with his raspy ass voice. Just like Ja Rule, 'cept the shit DMX says is less annoying. I like some of his tracks, but I don't think he should be considered for best rapper. I don't think any commercial MC deserves it.

Lardlad95

21st December 2002, 01:00

Quote: from MegatroN on 12:52 am on Dec. 21, 2002

Quote: from Triple X on 9:02 pm on Dec. 20, 2002
I say that best rapper is DMX (TUPAC is not bad)

He's just a wannabe Pac, but he comes off actin crazy with his raspy ass voice. Just like Ja Rule, 'cept the shit DMX says is less annoying. I like some of his tracks, but I don't think he should be considered for best rapper. I don't think any commercial MC deserves it.

A-fuckin-men to that brother

objecttoconform

21st December 2002, 14:53

1. Mr. LIF
2. Akrobatic
3. GURU
4. biggie
5. gay
6. gay
7. gay
8. gay
9. gay
10. gay

abstractmentality

21st December 2002, 18:50

Quote: from objecttoconform on 6:53 am on Dec. 21, 2002
1. Mr. LIF

now, i have only heard some of his stuff from a friend, but i was not impressed at all. i had heard rave reviews for him, but, from what i have heard, he is over rated.

ireallyhadablackout

21st December 2002, 22:16

Mr. Shadow of San Diego.

De la Rocha of Los Angeles.

and Vanilla Ice (lol, just kidding)

D.J. Quick!

ireallyhadablackout

21st December 2002, 22:18

Black Rob and my favorite female rapp artist is the chick from Jay Z's video "Can I get a wha? wha?"

abstractmentality

21st December 2002, 23:57

as far as females go, the best i have ever heard is, by far, Miz Marvel (sp).

22nd December 2002, 00:07

OK, Here are a few more comments in this extrodinarily long thread:

Boom Bap was KRS's last album that I played non-stop when it came out. I bought the self titled one and only liked a few songs. I have kinda given up on his albums. Live, though? I saw KRS two years ago and he is probably the best rapper I've seen live. (Busta Ryhmes is actually really good live too)

Jeru the Damaja? He was alright? "Da *****ez" was a good song. But he couldn't maintain.

Mr. Lif? Come on!! Are you from Boston? People sweat Lif up here in the bean (that's boston) but he fucking sucks!! He tries way too hard and comes out sounding wack.

Akrobatic? I like Ak. He needs better production but he can flow. I think next to Guru and Ed OG he is the best outta boston. (Fuck dumbass Benzino, fake fucker!!). Don't sleep on Esoteric, Chan, or Skitzofrenics either. I also heard one track from Paw Dukes who was nice.

How come everybody (including myself) has not mentioned Kool G Rap? He's the man!!

And for all you assholes that say that DMX is great or something equally stupid you need to check out hip hop like those mentioned here by those of us that know something about rap.

Nas has skill but he fucked up when he went with Murder Inc (Ja Rule, Ashanti, etc.). He's better than other commercial rappers cause he does have some concscious lyrics. But he needs to drop the bling bling and realize that hip, hop (not money) is king.

j

abstractmentality

22nd December 2002, 01:01

Quote: from j on 4:07 pm on Dec. 21, 2002
OK, Here are a few more comments in this extrodinarily long thread:

Live, though? I saw KRS two years ago and he is probably the best rapper I've seen live. (Busta Ryhmes is actually really good live too)
j
i am seeing KRS one tonight. also there will be: living legends, Del, 2Mex, and a few others.

Jeru is not the best rapper, but from what i have heard, he has to be up there. not top 5, but top 10 perhaps.

objecttoconform

22nd December 2002, 03:19

Quote: from abstractmentality on 6:50 pm on Dec. 21, 2002

Quote: from objecttoconform on 6:53 am on Dec. 21, 2002
1. Mr. LIF

now, i have only heard some of his stuff from a friend, but i was not impressed at all. i had heard rave reviews for him, but, from what i have heard, he is over rated.

like you said you have only listened to some of his stuff.

objecttoconform

22nd December 2002, 03:22

Quote: from ireallyhadablackout on 10:18 pm on Dec. 21, 2002
Black Rob and my favorite female rapp artist is the chick from Jay Z's video "Can I get a wha? wha?"

hahahaahahahhahahaha<----5 minutes. in the current bad boy family (which i am embarrased to alk about) g dep would stomp mud holes in black rob. my main point here is MC LYTE was the best!

objecttoconform

22nd December 2002, 03:25

(Fuck dumbass Benzino, fake fucker!!). Don't sleep on Esoteric, Chan, or Skitzofrenics either. I also heard one track from Paw Dukes who was nice.

How come everybody (including myself) has not mentioned Kool G Rap? He's the man!!

LIF is nice and that is that. yo my bad for not mentioning kool g. i feel like i failed... but we also forgot big daddy kane and slick rick.

BOZG

22nd December 2002, 03:49

The name of the track escapes me at the moment but the track G Dep released with Rob and Diddy, he was fucking terrible on it. It was a crime against humanity to listen to that verse.

Spiritual Minded

22nd December 2002, 10:07

KRS-ONE (the self titled album), is my second favorite album of all time...damn...i think you shold give it another chance...every single track is blazing...and i have yet to see him live...but even the heathens say he the best MC live...so i can't wait til he come here!!

Lardlad95

22nd December 2002, 18:48

Quote: from Spiritual Minded on 10:07 am on Dec. 22, 2002
KRS-ONE (the self titled album), is my second favorite album of all time...damn...i think you shold give it another chance...every single track is blazing...and i have yet to see him live...but even the heathens say he the best MC live...so i can't wait til he come here!!

Best live show I've heard KRS is real good...though I'm leaning towards the Roots...aint seen tehm live but from what I heard the fact that they have a band enhances teh sound.

What we need to do is have a whole bunch of rappers battle.

KRS in his prime would be gangsta...but he aint teh same....anymore.

Who here wants to see Kweli vs. Ja Rule...live?

or Nelly vs. KRs live?

man I just wanna see really good rappers against that garbage on MTV...

BOZG

22nd December 2002, 19:30

You might aswell just have Kweli or KRS on their own cause nobody is going to listen to Ja or Nelly.

Lardlad95

22nd December 2002, 19:40

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 7:30 pm on Dec. 22, 2002
You might aswell just have Kweli or KRS on their own cause nobody is going to listen to Ja or Nelly.

but it would be funny seeing them grunt and talk about 20" rims while KRS emolishes them

abstractmentality

22nd December 2002, 21:45

ok, i just saw KRS last night, and he kicked oh so much ass. he was cut off because of the 2am currfew of the place i was at, but he rocked it like nobody else that night. some came close (2Mex) but he ended the night well. also, on stage last night, Phoenix Orion (sp) who has been doing his thing for so many years, talked for a minute (while they were fixing the sound) about how he will talk about Del (which he did, while Del was there) and even try to go head to head with Supernatural, but that he wont even try to come off against KRS because of the fact of KRS one's talent and years in hip-hop. to give you perspective on who he will talk about, in the two times that i have seen Phoenix Orion perform, he has talked about Dilated Peoples, Supernatural, Del, and some others that i cant remember.

abstractmentality

22nd December 2002, 21:48

Quote: from objecttoconform on 7:19 pm on Dec. 21, 2002

Quote: from abstractmentality on 6:50 pm on Dec. 21, 2002

Quote: from objecttoconform on 6:53 am on Dec. 21, 2002
1. Mr. LIF

now, i have only heard some of his stuff from a friend, but i was not impressed at all. i had heard rave reviews for him, but, from what i have heard, he is over rated.

like you said you have only listened to some of his stuff.

i did his latest cd in full, and to be blunt, i did not feel any of it. he might be one of those people you just either feel or dont feel, but in my eyes, he is just another artist out their that i wont buy.

BOZG

22nd December 2002, 21:49

Have you got any of 2Mex's stuff? I've only heard him on a freestyle with Supernatural.

abstractmentality

23rd December 2002, 00:59

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 1:49 pm on Dec. 22, 2002
Have you got any of 2Mex's stuff? I've only heard him on a freestyle with Supernatural.
i have got one of the Visionaries CD's, of which he is a member. i might be getting Of Mexican Decent's (OMD) CD when i go to see them in concert again on new years day. he is a part of that group with this other guy who i have seen live twice, but i can not remember how to spell his name right now (ill get it for you later when i copy it off of the flier i have with it on it), who is kinda tight too. i figure they will have some of their cd's when i see them on the first for a decent price, but ill let you know then, if ya remind me.

(Edited by abstractmentality at 5:00 pm on Dec. 22, 2002)

canikickit

23rd December 2002, 01:14

but it would be funny seeing them grunt and talk about 20" rims while KRS emolishes them

Hee, hee, hee, good stuff Lardlad.

I think Everlast from House of Pain is the best. He's right up there with Fred Durst and Keith and Shane from Boyzone. What about Kobe, Allen Iverson and Steve Francis, amn they kick ass as well.

Ras Kass. I think I have better taste in music than you all put together.

Palmares

23rd December 2002, 04:56

So you jest canikickit! Such a thing is not meassureable nor compareable. This is not mathematics.

You know, Shaq would have been a good rapper if he... died.

G.Dep is shit, once he rapped in a song about spagetti or some shit like that. That song got such a bagging.

Nelly and Ja Rule are super shit. KRS-One should diss Nelly more. DMX is crap, but not as crap as Nelly/Ja Rule. Tupac was good, but too much of a thug, same wit Biggie.

Canikickit, I choose to call you Johnny.

Johnny Be Goode!

(I ain't dissing Peter Tosh, but shut the fuck up with your being better shit! Have you got a superiority complex???)

Palmares

23rd December 2002, 05:02

Lauren Hill is the ILLEST female rapper.

objecttoconform

23rd December 2002, 10:09

Quote: from Cthenthar on 5:02 am on Dec. 23, 2002
Lauren Hill is the ILLEST female rapper.

HAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHA she should be the dead prez's backup singer.

BOZG

23rd December 2002, 10:54

G.Dep is shit, once he rapped in a song about spagetti or some shit like that. That song got such a bagging.

That's the track I mentioned above. It was sickening, even fucking Puffy's rhyme was better.

Spiritual Minded

23rd December 2002, 15:58

Quote: from Cthenthar on 5:02 am on Dec. 23, 2002
Lauren Hill is the ILLEST female rapper.

Lauryn Hill is one of the illest rappers. Period. Drop the femcee, will you.

Spiritual Minded

23rd December 2002, 16:07

HAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHA she should be the dead prez's backup singer.

*****, WHUT U SAYIN'??????!!!!!

"If I treat you kindly does it mean that I'm weak?!!!
You hear me speak and think I won't take it to the streets
I know enough cats that don't turn the other cheek
But I try to keep it civilized like Menelik"

:P

Lardlad95

23rd December 2002, 17:50

Hey ABstract I just remembered DIALTED's new album drops mid 2003 the first single is gonna be "Live on Stage" remix featuring Kweli

they got some shit on it at teh OKP

abstractmentality

23rd December 2002, 18:11

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:50 am on Dec. 23, 2002
Hey ABstract I just remembered DIALTED's new album drops mid 2003 the first single is gonna be "Live on Stage" remix featuring Kweli

they got some shit on it at teh OKP
thanx, ill make sure to check that out. hey, any thoughts on why my avatar doesnt work anymore?

Lardlad95

23rd December 2002, 18:18

Quote: from abstractmentality on 6:11 pm on Dec. 23, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 9:50 am on Dec. 23, 2002
Hey ABstract I just remembered DIALTED's new album drops mid 2003 the first single is gonna be "Live on Stage" remix featuring Kweli

they got some shit on it at teh OKP
thanx, ill make sure to check that out. hey, any thoughts on why my avatar doesnt work anymore?

I knida pissed the guy off who made it...he thinks I use that one

Palmares

23rd December 2002, 23:03

Quote: from objecttoconform on 10:09 am on Dec. 23, 2002

Quote: from Cthenthar on 5:02 am on Dec. 23, 2002
Lauren Hill is the ILLEST female rapper.

HAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHA she should be the dead prez's backup singer.

L. Boogie would beat his ass to a pulp. She doesn't have to hide behind nobody. She is the ILLEST!

MegatroN

24th December 2002, 05:56

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 5:50 pm on Dec. 23, 2002
Hey ABstract I just remembered DIALTED's new album drops mid 2003 the first single is gonna be "Live on Stage" remix featuring Kweli

they got some shit on it at teh OKP

SAY WHAT!?!?!!??!!!!?!?!?!!! Oh my GOD I have to cop that shit the day it comes out. Dilated Peoples are the illest cats out here on the west coast.

InnocentCivilian

25th December 2002, 23:15

CHUCK D!!!!

synthesis

27th December 2002, 05:46

Anyone heard of Andre Nickatina?

I dig the movie quotes he samples...

Try:
Baking Soda in Minnesota
Savage as Fuck
Ayo For Yayo
My Rap World

Also I like the Swollen Members, especially Lady Venom and Deep End.

The best rap song ever award, though, has to go to Rapture, by Blondie.

Just kidding.

synthesis

27th December 2002, 05:47

Oh yeah, Makeshift Patriot by Sage Francis fucking rocks.

CommunismRATM

27th December 2002, 06:22

Zack De La Rocha from RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE

Lardlad95

27th December 2002, 21:56

Quote: from CommunismRATM on 6:22 am on Dec. 27, 2002
Zack De La Rocha from RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE

you jokin right?

Zach aint no joke but uh I can name bought forty rappers who would make Zach look like Vanilla Ica on a tranqulizer

CommunismRATM

27th December 2002, 23:46

hehe thats a good one

EyeZClosed

28th December 2002, 01:12

the best is something that could never be answered.......theres ups and downs to every rapper........there are also way to many rappers out there to be named like nas,cormega,camp lo,etc......theres just too many....but if i had a couple who i could say are one of the betters it would be nas, havoc,cormega.......shit theres too many.....

EyeZClosed

28th December 2002, 01:14

i didnt realize how many uderground headz are up in here.........breaze ever flow.......non phixion.....they good underground rappers

Lardlad95

28th December 2002, 02:28

Quote: from EyeZClosed on 1:14 am on Dec. 28, 2002
i didnt realize how many uderground headz are up in here.........breaze ever flow.......non phixion.....they good underground rappers

Yeah a whole bunch and a whole bunch of metal heads who hate hip hop

anyway I'm tellin you people teh best in teh game are in no particular order

BlackTHought
Malik B. (the other kat from the roots if yall don't know)
Kweli
Mos Def
Nas

now for the best Dj....

Dj Babu
Dj Shadow...

who else...damn everyone from teh Beatjunkies