Hitler: Rise of evil

[Dr Mindbender]

Did anyone in the UK just see the 2 part series on Channel 4 about hitler featuring Robert Carlyle?

Part 2 is next Saturday. It's quite good so far.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Saw it in history.

Hitlers niece is a freak. So is Hitler. Also theres the kid with the annoying voice.

[scarletghoul]

I just saw part 1, it was pretty cool. Must be fun to play Hitler

[Black_Flag]

Saw it in History a couple of years ago, quited good.

[Dimentio]

Did anyone in the UK just see the 2 part series on Channel 4 about hitler featuring Robert Carlyle?

Part 2 is next Saturday. It's quite good so far.

Hitler the Rise of Evil points of most details, but the guy does'nt look like Hitler at all, and it is ignoring some parts about Hitler's youth.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I'm so bored of Hitler. 10 Billion books and movies about Hitler, Plots to Kill Hitler, Hit;er's art school days, Hitler's military decisions, Hitler's childhood, going back in time to kill baby Hitler, Hitler's mustache comb, and god damn cats that look like Hitler!

Hey, how about one frickin' movie about Antifas in Germany or Poland, or a good movie about the Wasrsaw Ghetto uprising, or Revolution in Germany, or even if it's going to be about the fascists, how about a movie about thugish brownshirts. How about one movie that treats the rise of fascism as a real and dangerous phenomenon rather than a bunch of dupes who were tricked into listening to ol' amphetimine adolph the antichrist.

[Led Zeppelin]

Saw it years ago. Really shitty movie with a terrible case of miscasting.

I have no idea why they cast Robert Carlyle for the part of Hitler when he doesn't suit it at all. The actor who played Hitler in Der Untergang puts him to shame, even though Carlyle is a pretty good actor when he's not miscast...

[Communist Theory]

Aww we just finished watching this in my World History class and I wanted to post a thread on it. Well anyways read the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler:_The_Rise_of_Evil) entry and read the historical inaccuracies it's obvious the Nutzis don't like their Fuhrer being portrayed as incestuous and an animal abuser. It was a pretty decent film I didn't wait to watch it all in school I watched it online. I'll add the link later on for anybody that wants to watch.

[Bandito]

Saw it years ago.
And I don't think Carlyle is bad for this role. At first, it was really strange, but he is too good actor too keep it that way. The rest of the movie his acting was brilliant and i didn't think for a second "Oh why, did they choose him".
For example, Ernst Rohm was a small fat guy with a funny mustache in real life, and in the movie he is played by handsome, tall, masculine guy. The point where he is discovered with his male lover is making this choice great. Oh, the surprise, masculine soldier is gay. I find that one amusing.
But the movie did miss several important parts, that is true.
http://tvlia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/peter_stormare.JPG
Peter Stormare, who played Rohm
http://lettres-histoire.ac-rouen.fr/histgeo/img_nazisme/ernst_rohm.gif
Real Ernst Rohm.

[Communist Theory]

Yeah, when the other students in my class saw that scene they were all shocked that a military leader and a guy that owns a gym could be gay. My teacher made fun of them, it was pretty funny the way they reacted.

[Dr Mindbender]

2nd part is on tomorrow, looking forward to putting my feet up with the missus to watch it, without the daunting prospect of a day of work ahead of me.

[Dr Mindbender]

Saw it years ago. Really shitty movie with a terrible case of miscasting.

I have no idea why they cast Robert Carlyle for the part of Hitler when he doesn't suit it at all. The actor who played Hitler in Der Untergang puts him to shame, even though Carlyle is a pretty good actor when he's not miscast...

In your opinion, who would make a good hitler using todays usual range of equivalent actors?

I'm struggling to think. Would be good if they could get the same guy from downfall, just for the lulz to remind us of the morrass of shitty re-dubbings on youtube.

[Holden Caulfield]

I thought it was pretty good, showed how he stole his good 'image' ideas from communists and how his political-economic ideas came from the upper classes.

[Communist Theory]

The weird guy off of charlies angels that smells hair could be hitler.

[Dimentio]

I'm so bored of Hitler. 10 Billion books and movies about Hitler, Plots to Kill Hitler, Hit;er's art school days, Hitler's military decisions, Hitler's childhood, going back in time to kill baby Hitler, Hitler's mustache comb, and god damn cats that look like Hitler!

Hey, how about one frickin' movie about Antifas in Germany or Poland, or a good movie about the Wasrsaw Ghetto uprising, or Revolution in Germany, or even if it's going to be about the fascists, how about a movie about thugish brownshirts. How about one movie that treats the rise of fascism as a real and dangerous phenomenon rather than a bunch of dupes who were tricked into listening to ol' amphetimine adolph the antichrist.

I have noted that as well.

I think the current mythology of the world is that "the USA and liberal democracy defeated the evil devil Hitler who almost conquered the whole world, therefore, you don't want Hitler back."

Hitler is also a fascinating individual because no one really knows his motivations.

I have seen a new theory that Hitler had Asperger's syndrome, and I think it partially describes his character traits, like his obsession with routine, his choice of female partners and his ability to dedicate himself to one, single thing. Not everyone with Asperger's is a mindless drone. But Asperger's don't explain sociopathy.

[Communist Theory]

Here (http://www.forumliberty.com/showthread.php?t=257914) is the website with the movie on it.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I have seen part one of this series and thought it was quite good although it was awhile ago. However if you're interested in Hitler's final days in his bunker I reccommend the German film, Der Untergang.

[Bitter Ashes]

Saw it in history.

Hitlers niece is a freak. So is Hitler. Also theres the kid with the annoying voice.
Yeah. I'm not sure if Hitler had started sexualy abusing her by that point yet or not, which could explain her actions by Stockholm Syndrome perhaps, but I doubt it.

Anyway, yeah, I'm watching the second part when it's on as it was intresting to see it all from a closer perspective than the usual detached perspective of documentaries, or walk on parts in films.

[Communist Theory]

Hitler's niece seemed promiscuous.

[Killfacer]

I thought it was fucking great.

[The Feral Underclass]

It was probably one of the most badly cast historical drama's I've ever seen. I also thought it was quite sensationalist in the way it portrays Hitler as this conveniently nasty person, which in actual fact is completely not the case. Hitler was actually a very sweet and sensitive man by most accounts and had a rather witty sense of humour.

Obviously he was a massive narcissist and displayed histrionic tendencies, plus he was prone to aggressive outbursts and he clearly had authoritarian world view that affected how he worked with people, not just his staff. But this film just showed him as this one-dimensional character, almost a caricature who was "evil" and "mad" and had no ability to formulate relationships, which for me is a total cop-out. The whole thing just seemed totally artificial and Carlisle was just not convincing as Hitler at all, mostly because the character he had been directed to play was just a stereotypical interpretation.

It would have been nice to really get an insight into the multifarious nature Hitler's personality: His vulnerabilities, his fanatical ambition to "save" Germany, his obsessions, his anxieties and paranoia as a young man and as someone confronted with the world as he saw it. To truly understand his existential nature and the way he developed to cope with it would have been a far more compelling film to watch.

This was just superficial and boring. Even the title "Rise Of Evil" just smacks of sensationalist bollocks.

[kurtulush]

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Director : Christian Duguay
Writers (WGA) : John Pielmeier (written by) and
G. Ross Parker (written by)
Release Date : 18 May 2003 (USA)
Genre : Biography | Drama | History
Plot summary for Hitler : The Rise of Evil : The movie describes the life of Adolf Hitler from childhood to manhood, and how he became so powerful. It describes his poor childhood in Austria, it describes the first world war from his point of view, and how he became the strongest man in Germany. The movie show us how turned Hitler from a poor soldier into the leader of the Nazis, and how he survived the attempts to kill him. It describes his relationship with his mistress Eva Braun, and his decisions and enemies inside Germany and inside the Nazi party.
Cast :
Robert Carlyle ... Adolf Hitler
Stockard Channing ... Klara Hitler
Jena Malone ... Geli Raubal
Julianna Margulies ... Helene Hanfstaengl
Matthew Modine ... Fritz Gerlich
Liev Schreiber ... Ernst Hanfstaengl
Peter Stormare ... Ernst Röhm
Friedrich von Thun ... General Erich Ludendorff
Peter O'Toole ... President Paul von Hindenburg
Zoe Telford ... Eva Braun
Terence Harvey ... Gustav von Kahr
Justin Salinger ... Dr. Joseph Goebbels
Chris Larkin ... Hermann Göring
James Babson ... Rudolf Hess
Patricia Netzer ... Sophie Gerlich
IMDB : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0346293/

Download CD1 (http://duckload.com/download/118875/Hitler_The_Rise_Of_Evil_CD1.zip)
Download CD2 (http://duckload.com/download/118954/Hitler_The_Rise_Of_Evil_CD2.zip)

[Dimentio]

I have seen it again, and found it surprisingly accurate. It has also strengthened my conviction that Hitler had an atypical neurological wiring which could explain some of his personality traits.

[Led Zeppelin]

In your opinion, who would make a good hitler using todays usual range of equivalent actors?

I'm struggling to think. Would be good if they could get the same guy from downfall, just for the lulz to remind us of the morrass of shitty re-dubbings on youtube.

Sorry for the late reply, I forgot about this thread.

I think some of these actors would make a decent portrayal of Hitler:

Tom Wilkinson

http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/10/Tom-Wilkinson-Not-That-One.jpg

Edward Norton

http://www.best100actors.com/images/Edward%20Norton.jpg

Phillip Seymour Hoffman

http://www.best100actors.com/images/Phillip%20Seymour%20Hoffman.jpg

[Dr Mindbender]

Sorry for the late reply, I forgot about this thread.

I think some of these actors would make a decent portrayal of Hitler:

Tom Wilkinson

http://cache.jalopnik.com/cars/assets/resources/2007/10/Tom-Wilkinson-Not-That-One.jpg

Edward Norton

http://www.best100actors.com/images/Edward%20Norton.jpg

Phillip Seymour Hoffman

http://www.best100actors.com/images/Phillip%20Seymour%20Hoffman.jpg


I still think Carlyle looks more convincing.

Tom Wilkinsons too old to play the young hitler and Hoffman is too chubby.

As for Edward Norton, wtf?!

[Led Zeppelin]

Hoffman would need to lose a bit of weight (and color his hair), Wilkinson same thing to look younger, though a different actor would be needed to play young Hitler. I actually think Norton would be great as a young Hitler.

[Dr Mindbender]

Hoffman would need to lose a bit of weight (and color his hair), Wilkinson same thing to look younger, though a different actor would be needed to play young Hitler. I actually think Norton would be great as a young Hitler.

He was good in American history x, but as for the actual hitler... ...naaaah.
Going to have to disagree, sorry.

Bloody Mel Brooks would probably look more convincing from when he did 'achtung baby' or 'the producers'.

I mantain that the 'downfall hitler' was the defining hitler of the dramatic world.

[Dimentio]

It was probably one of the most badly cast historical drama's I've ever seen. I also thought it was quite sensationalist in the way it portrays Hitler as this conveniently nasty person, which in actual fact is completely not the case. Hitler was actually a very sweet and sensitive man by most accounts and had a rather witty sense of humour.

He was not someone who beat dogs, and it is uncertain whether he had BDSM tendencies. But he was certainly quite different from ordinary people. He could not act upon a conversation with another person. It turned into a monologue. He could not sustain himself. The party paid for his life, and before the party the army.

Swedish and American psychologists guess that Hitler had asperger's syndrome. That of course do not mean that everyone with asperger's syndrome is a potential Hitler. But that explains some of the parts of his personality, and perhaps why he was so focused on Jews.

All people with asperger's are very different from each-other though. There aren't two who are similar.

I agree that "Downfall" is the best Hitler movie ever. But I think this particular fascination with Hitler is morbid. It seems like he is for our current power establishment what the devil was for the catholic church during the middle ages. I mean the only ones who are more fixated on Hitler than the establishment are small nazi cults. And recently, Hitler has seen himself outcompeted as their idol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsEonbLXjzk

[Bitter Ashes]

Intresting that you mentionted the psychological aspect to Hitler. The CIA did a profiling of Hitler during the war based on whatever information they could get together through 3rd parties. What they came up with was shockingly accurate. Everything from his deep attachement to his mother, to his sexual fantasties about faeces, even down accuratly predicting the specifics of his suicide. The CIA still does profiling like this on whoever they consider to be a threat. Everyone from Stalin to Sadam Hussein has been profilied.

[Salabra]

I actually enjoyed the series, despite it's inaccuracies.

Carlyle makes a chilling villain - he was just as suitably scary as James I in "Gunpowder, Treason and Plot." (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377184/)

[Kukulofori]

I have seen it again, and found it surprisingly accurate. It has also strengthened my conviction that Hitler had an atypical neurological wiring which could explain some of his personality traits.

fuck this liberal noise.

There were no causes or contexts to what happened, no analysis to be made, just EEEEVIIIIIIL. There was something wrong with his head, let's leave it at that!

:rolleyes:

[Led Zeppelin]

fuck this liberal noise.

There were no causes or contexts to what happened, no analysis to be made, just EEEEVIIIIIIL. There was something wrong with his head, let's leave it at that!

:rolleyes:

What the hell? You basically repeated exactly what Dimentio said ("there was something wrong with his head" vs. "he had an atypical neurological wiring") and then refer to what he said as "liberal noise"?

I guess this is what doublethink is like in reality.

[Kukulofori]

It's incredibly dismissive, devoid of class analysis, and a little bit too chummy with the idea that there are scary people who are just messed up and not civilised with the rest of us. It goes so far as to imply that there would have been no Holocaust if not for Hitler the individual.

It's pretty much the definition of liberal noise.

[Led Zeppelin]

It's incredibly dismissive, devoid of class analysis, and a little bit too chummy with the idea that there are scary people who are just messed up and not civilised with the rest of us. It goes so far as to imply that there would have been no Holocaust if not for Hitler the individual.

It's pretty much the definition of liberal noise.

Oh wait, hold on, I think I misunderstood what you wrote. You were being sarcastic there.

I apologize. Sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet! :p

[Salabra]

I watched it again over the weekend.

Interesting how there was absolutely NO mention of the USSR in the written epilogue - not the invasion in 1941, nor the five million Soviet PoWs who died in the camps, nor the fact that of the six million Jews exterminated at least a million were Soviet citizens, nor the drive to the West and the liberation of Berlin.

The makers of this movie wrote the Soviet Union out of history as completely as the Egyptians who chiselled the names of Akhnaten and Hatshepsut from their monuments.