Yes2EU???

[MilitantAnarchist]

No2EU? I’m not sure if we can trust them… why are they opposed to the EU apart from the obvious reasons… the way I see it, whenever we oppose the EU it is a patriotic symbol, the same talk as the BNP and UKIP. And when you use nationalist talk, you will undoubtedly attract racists.
Now, if we tried to make it better, the European Union (so to speak) could be better… I don’t believe in borders, nor do I give two shits about the falsity of countries. But the idea that the whole of Europe as one nation we can move freely around in isn’t really that far off what we have now… and scrapping that to impose UK independence will stop all this wouldn’t it? We shouldn’t be governed by another country, we should govern ourselves (unfortunately that is the current reality).

Basically, my point is, who cares who wins the next election as long as BNP don’t? which they wont, not this time (though do not forget to fight them every single step of the way). It will be Tory or Labour as always… instead of wasting time with No2EU and other bullshit parties, we could try and change the government we have. ‘Revolution’ isn’t a reality at the moment, and it wont be with the cultures and so called ‘society’ that we have now. Through protest and direct action, things do change and will continue to do so. Not by voting.

I know I have a lot of critics on this forum, but without debate an argument is not an argument, it is something we all agree on and take nothing new from… but I still don’t buy the anarcho-communist ideal, nor do I buy the communist ideal… I’ve had this argument with many ‘associates’. But I have come to a conclusion. I don’t know what I’m for, but I do know what I’m against. The two may amount to the same thing, but beyond that I’m not sure.

The way I see things, looking back into history for answers is not a way forward, it is a step backwards, it is against evolution. Now evolution is in humanities hands, not just natures, not with the unbelievable change human beings make on this planet. Where we can learn a lot from Marx’s work, and other doctrines, following them dogmatically is counterproductive, and something new should be put forward… what? I don’t know… but I do know something needs to change… so I go back to my initial theory, changing what we have. People are always trying to change it I know, but in some cases it has worked, if we push harder, we can and will get what we want from them. With this way, we will have the publics support because it is them and us we are doing this for.

Cheers for reading my thoughts, now share yours…

[Forward Union]

No2EU? I’m not sure if we can trust them… why are they opposed to the EU apart from the obvious reasons… the way I see it, whenever we oppose the EU it is a patriotic symbol, the same talk as the BNP and UKIP. And when you use nationalist talk, you will undoubtedly attract racists.

So you're against the campaign because it might attract racists? that's not a good reason. That's like saying I wont start a community campaign because someone in it might be a peado.



Now, if we tried to make it better, the European Union (so to speak) could be better…

Well, it's economic neo-liberalism. So.... how?


The way I see things, looking back into history for answers is not a way forward, it is a step backwards, it is against evolution. Now evolution is in humanities hands, not just natures, not with the unbelievable change human beings make on this planet. Where we can learn a lot from Marx’s work, and other doctrines, following them dogmatically is counterproductive, and something new should be put forward… what? I don’t know…Nor do we, that didn't make sense.

[QUOTE] so I go back to my initial theory, changing what we have. People are always trying to change it I know, but in some cases it has worked, if we push harder, we can and will get what we want from them. With this way, we will have the publics support because it is them and us we are doing this for.[/QUOTE

??? What does this have to do with the EU?

[C0YS]

No2EU? I’m not sure if we can trust them… why are they opposed to the EU apart from the obvious reasons… the way I see it, whenever we oppose the EU it is a patriotic symbol, the same talk as the BNP and UKIP. And when you use nationalist talk, you will undoubtedly attract racists.
Now, if we tried to make it better, the European Union (so to speak) could be better… I don’t believe in borders, nor do I give two shits about the falsity of countries. But the idea that the whole of Europe as one nation we can move freely around in isn’t really that far off what we have now… and scrapping that to impose UK independence will stop all this wouldn’t it? We shouldn’t be governed by another country, we should govern ourselves (unfortunately that is the current reality).

Basically, my point is, who cares who wins the next election as long as BNP don’t? which they wont, not this time (though do not forget to fight them every single step of the way). It will be Tory or Labour as always… instead of wasting time with No2EU and other bullshit parties, we could try and change the government we have. ‘Revolution’ isn’t a reality at the moment, and it wont be with the cultures and so called ‘society’ that we have now. Through protest and direct action, things do change and will continue to do so. Not by voting.

I know I have a lot of critics on this forum, but without debate an argument is not an argument, it is something we all agree on and take nothing new from… but I still don’t buy the anarcho-communist ideal, nor do I buy the communist ideal… I’ve had this argument with many ‘associates’. But I have come to a conclusion. I don’t know what I’m for, but I do know what I’m against. The two may amount to the same thing, but beyond that I’m not sure.

The way I see things, looking back into history for answers is not a way forward, it is a step backwards, it is against evolution. Now evolution is in humanities hands, not just natures, not with the unbelievable change human beings make on this planet. Where we can learn a lot from Marx’s work, and other doctrines, following them dogmatically is counterproductive, and something new should be put forward… what? I don’t know… but I do know something needs to change… so I go back to my initial theory, changing what we have. People are always trying to change it I know, but in some cases it has worked, if we push harder, we can and will get what we want from them. With this way, we will have the publics support because it is them and us we are doing this for.

Cheers for reading my thoughts, now share yours…

Hey comrade been in touch with English politics recently?

If you have you may feel a change coming on. The current system is crumbling, theirs reform in the air. But the BNP our getting powerful too powerful, I feel in 10 years they will take power. But its then when we can make our strike. If this happens rev. will happen. However crazy it may seem. For now all we can do is up publicity and get people supporting our cause. Even if its just graffiti on Public schools. Anyway this is only if. And maybe I'm just in one of those moods.

We must be pro EU until the end or structuring down of capitalism. EU might just be a capitalist thing, however it is successfully breaking down boarders between countries. If there is practically uncontrolled capitalism about does it make a difference if it is european?

[Forward Union]

We must be pro EU until the end or structuring down of capitalism. EU might just be a capitalist thing, however it is successfully breaking down boarders between countries. If there is practically uncontrolled capitalism about does it make a difference if it is european?

www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk

[C0YS]

So you're against the campaign because it might attract racists? that's not a good reason. That's like saying I wont start a community campaign because someone in it might be a peado.



Well, it's economic neo-liberalism. So.... how?

Nor do we, that didn't make sense.

[QUOTE] so I go back to my initial theory, changing what we have. People are always trying to change it I know, but in some cases it has worked, if we push harder, we can and will get what we want from them. With this way, we will have the publics support because it is them and us we are doing this for.[/QUOTE

??? What does this have to do with the EU?

sorry can you clear up what your saying?

[MilitantAnarchist]

Hey comrade been in touch with English politics recently?
Yes i have... and i agree with you that BNP are gaining alot of ground, and the in the next election (after this one) there is a large chance the BNP will win... not this one however...


So you're against the campaign because it might attract racists? that's not a good reason. That's like saying I wont start a community campaign because someone in it might be a peado.



how is it like that? you would stand side by side with racists? fuck that...


Nor do we, that didn't make sense.
What i meen is the way humanity is progressing, with technology and everything, it is faster then evolution... technology is us evolving ourselves... and because of that, we need to move with the times... it wasnt mutually exclusive to everything i said but it is sort of revelent.

And i mean that if these parties want England out of the EU then immigrants wont be able to come here as freely, and we wont be able to emigrate as easily either... If i have got the right end of the stick... yea it would be better on some things if we were independent, but for other people it would make it worse... I'm all for immigration, whether its people coming into our country or leaving...
And what i said does have to do with the EU because fighting for a completely open europe, and making the european union better then it is...

[C0YS]

So you're against the campaign because it might attract racists? that's not a good reason. That's like saying I wont start a community campaign because someone in it might be a peado.

no the NO2EU is clearly run by a lot of racists and right wingers. For me supportingNO 2 ID is almost racism in its self



Well, it's economic neo-liberalism. So.... how?

Its not just economic neo-liberalism anymore it now does a lot of thing other then that including many rights issues

[QUOTE] so I go back to my initial theory, changing what we have. People are always trying to change it I know, but in some cases it has worked, if we push harder, we can and will get what we want from them. With this way, we will have the publics support because it is them and us we are doing this for.[/QUOTE

??? What does this have to do with the EU?

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[MilitantAnarchist]

sorry can you clear up what your saying?


OK... forget voteing for shitty little parties like no2eu and the likes...
and deal with what we have, labour or tory...
both shit but no point in moaning about it, just try to change it....
protesting and direct action has worked for equality (well, improved it at least) so if we use our energy on changing polocies on immigration and other eu stuff (cant be arsed to go into all the details but you no what i meen) surely it will be more effective???
Any clearer?

[C0YS]

OK... forget voteing for shitty little parties like no2eu and the likes...
and deal with what we have, labour or tory...
both shit but no point in moaning about it, just try to change it....
protesting and direct action has worked for equality (well, improved it at least) so if we use our energy on changing polocies on immigration and other eu stuff (cant be arsed to go into all the details but you no what i meen) surely it will be more effective???
Any clearer?

sorry I didnt mean you I ment the other guy.

not labour for any longer. minorities will be blown into politics soon. labour will be dead soon.

[Forward Union]

OK... forget voteing for shitty little parties like no2eu and the likes...
and deal with what we have, labour or tory...
both shit but no point in moaning about it, just try to change it....
protesting and direct action has worked for equality (well, improved it at least) so if we use our energy on changing polocies on immigration and other eu stuff (cant be arsed to go into all the details but you no what i meen) surely it will be more effective???
Any clearer?

I don't think no2eu is really intended to create any sort of change.

It's a device for splitting the BNPs support base, and removing right wing monopoly of the EU debate. So... insofar as those aims it may work very well.

[Forward Union]

What i meen is the way humanity is progressing, with technology and everything, it is faster then evolution... technology is us evolving ourselves...

No it's not. Evolution is a biological process.

There have been arguments that technological dependency may alter our evolutionary trajectory, but that remains a fairly weak hypothesis on the fringes of science. To accept it as fact and use it as the basis of an argument is incredibly ridiculous.



If i have got the right end of the stick... yea it would be better on some things if we were independent, but for other people it would make it worse... I'm all for immigration, whether its people coming into our country or leaving...I'm completely indifferent to immigration. It's a natural phnomina, and ultimately a beneficial one. From a historical perspective.

But the mass migration of Polish workers to the UK today is a symptom of economic inequality, not something to be praised. Most immigrants I speak to (and actually, I live with 6 foreigners from Lebanon, Greece and Nigeria) hate the fact they had to travel across Europe/afrida to work for less than the minimum wage for more than 8 hours a day... I don't believe in borders or xenophobia, but in the 21st century, immigration is normally fucked up symptom of capitalism. Un unionised foreign workers undercut local workers wages.

We need to break down international capitalist agreements like the EU, and build up a labour international. This involves opposing the EU, NAFTA, and any other neo-liberal agreements, and supporting the Anarkismo project, in my opinion.


And what i said does have to do with the EU because fighting for a completely open europe, and making the european union better then it is...So rather than grassroots working class solidarity, and building working class organisations internationally, you believe entryism into a free trade council (whos whole purpose is to liberalise markets, remove tarrifs and fuck over unions) can bring about effective working class solidarity...

...you're nuts. The EU is not some move toward internationalism. It's a fucking superstate.

[Rosa Provokateur]

The EU is a move towards continent-wide centralized government. The State that powerful is dangerous and must be done away with, there's no other alternative.

[teenagebricks]

OK... forget voteing for shitty little parties like no2eu and the likes...
and deal with what we have, labour or tory...
Alternatively we could vote for parties we actually support because it would do more good than harm, if you don't support a party, don't vote for one, but the arguments against No2EU are getting tired and samey, and no I'm not saying that because they're my party of choice because they're not, I'm saying that because it's true. Like I said in another thread, we should be fighting fascism on every front possible, at the ballot box, in the streets, in the comments section of the Daily Mail website, everywhere, we can't let the fascists get the upper hand because we're not willing to swallow our pride.

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

I oppose the EU, but stepping out of it is currently not the wisest thing to do.
We should find a way to force the EU to accept the will of the European People.

[AlMack]

rename this thread cracksmokers discussion topic

[Revy]

Can someone explain this? (it's from the no2eu website, under "workers' rights")



The social dumping of exploited foreign workers in Britain is being carried out under EU rules demanding the “free movement of capital, goods, services and labour” within the EU.
These EU rules allow employers to escape from national collective bargaining and employment legislation and impose lower wages and worse working conditions, creating a “race to the bottom”.

To ferry workers across Europe to carry out jobs that local workers can be trained to perform is an environmental, economic and social nonsense.

If ‘food-miles’ represent an unacceptably large carbon footprint, then ‘labour-miles’ and shunting human beings around Europe in the pursuit of profit is even more damaging.
In the 1980s recession Tory minister Norman Tebbit famously told the unemployed to ‘get on their bikes’ to look for work. Nowwell-shod government ministers advise workers in Britain ‘to get on a plane’ and find work elsewhere in the EU!

Vote No2EU - Yes to Democracy to resist the EU turning human beings into commodities to be shunted around Europe while local workers are excluded from being able to provide for their families.I've quoted these parts, because I find them very problematic....even though this campaign is supposedly "left-wing" they don't shy away from engaging in local vs. foreign rhetoric which makes them seem xenophobic....

What are they trying to say, that foreign workers are "taking British jobs" , oh that's just precious...

[Forward Union]

Can someone explain this? (it's from the no2eu website, under "workers' rights")

I've quoted these parts, because I find them very problematic....even though this campaign is supposedly "left-wing" they don't shy away from engaging in local vs. foreign rhetoric which makes them seem xenophobic....

What are they trying to say, that foreign workers are "taking British jobs" , oh that's just precious...

There's nothing xenephobic there, they are addressing a real economic issue.

[Guerrilla22]

If you're going to advocate the EU, you might as well advocate the WTO-IMF, NAFTA, CAFTA, and other agreements/groups that push neo-liberalism as well.

[redarmyfaction38]

Can someone explain this? (it's from the no2eu website, under "workers' rights")

I've quoted these parts, because I find them very problematic....even though this campaign is supposedly "left-wing" they don't shy away from engaging in local vs. foreign rhetoric which makes them seem xenophobic....

What are they trying to say, that foreign workers are "taking British jobs" , oh that's just precious...

right, it's not as complicated at it seems and, it's definitely not xenophobic.
the point your missing is that importing workers has been used across the eu to undermine locally hard won rights and conditions of employment, this has been possible only because of eu legislation that favours the employers right to employ who it chooses at any rate of pay it chooses as long as it conforms with those immigrant workers local conditions of employment.
now if you live in britain, your locally won conditions of employment are far better than those of immigrant polish workers local conditions.
what all the strikes, all the political challenges have been about is immigrant workers into britain enjoying the same superior conditions of employment as their british counterparts, making the capitalists have to give equal chance of employment to suitably qualified local workers rather than employ immigrant workers cos they are cheaper.
it is a challenge to the whole eu ethos and its desire to drive living standards for workers to the lowest common denominator.
the strikes have been supported across britain by polish immigrant workers walking out in support of their british comrades in devon by italian trade unions in support of the lindsey oil dispute.
the response of the capitalist class has been to offer concessions based on divisive nationalist principles, offering a guaranteed number of jobs to locals in order to divide working class solidarity and turn it all into a national issue.
no2eu,yes to democracy candidates and activists, a lot of them participants in workers struggles like visteon and lindsey, have made it quite clear that they do not pander to the capitalist response but are firmly in favour of a pan european workers state as oppssed to the eu.
all of its candidates have pledged that they will not profit personally should they be elected, all wagesa, al expenses wil be open to public scrutiny.
now, i'm not a believer in the democratic political process, but

[communard resolution]

no2eu,yes to democracy candidates and activists, a lot of them participants in workers struggles like visteon and lindsey, have made it quite clear that they do not pander to the capitalist response but are firmly in favour of a pan european workers state as oppssed to the eu.


If Britain withdrew from the EU tomorrow, how soon do you think would a 'pan-European workers state' materialise as a result of this event?

Do you think that the majority of EU opponents (whose political affiliations, as far as I understand, range from BNP through centrists through left-wingers) are fond of the idea of a workers state?

Some immediate results I can think of would be restrictions on the free movement of workers and, naturally, the repatriation of non-British workers.

No2EU is a curious 'popular front' (I'm obviosly using the term very loosely, not to mention that its objectives are not anti-fascist) in which some rather scary elements rub shoulders with well-meaning socialists. Their campagn is very emotionalistic, implicitly nationalist, and ultimately shady.

One poster suggested that No2EU's purpose is to 'win over' potential BNP voters. My question would be: win them over to what exactly? Certainly not to internationalist positions? No2EU pay some lip service to internationalism on their website, but it reads more like a guilty disclaimer rather than part of the programme.

To me, it looks more like part of the left is being 'won over' here.

I agree that workers should struggle for equal working conditions for all, regardless of nationality. But I cannot find anything to that end on the No2EU website. Is the 'pan-European workers state' an integral part of their programme or just something that an activist hastily added when confronted with criticism?

Once again, I'm posting this article FYI:

No2EU and its righwing bedfellows (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/rmt2-a07.shtml)

[Die Neue Zeit]

Comrade, I posted this in Antifa:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/no-2-eu-t109257/index.html

[The title used by Communist Students is snappier. ;) ]

[Revy]

Comrade, I posted this in Antifa:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/no-2-eu-t109257/index.html

[The title used by Communist Students is snappier. ;) ]

Oh, I didn't see that , sorry:)

[Die Neue Zeit]

Don't be! :)

[communard resolution]

Incidentally, I got a No2EU leaflet in my mail this morning. Can't find any references to international workers solidarity in there. Nothing but anti-European, crypto-nationalist fear mongering just like the Daily Mail.
And I'm supposed to vote this to "keep out the BNP"?

[redarmyfaction38]

If Britain withdrew from the EU tomorrow, how soon do you think would a 'pan-European workers state' materialise as a result of this event?

Do you think that the majority of EU opponents (whose political affiliations, as far as I understand, range from BNP through centrists through left-wingers) are fond of the idea of a workers state?

Some immediate results I can think of would be restrictions on the free movement of workers and, naturally, the repatriation of non-British workers.

No2EU is a curious 'popular front' (I'm obviosly using the term very loosely, not to mention that its objectives are not anti-fascist) in which some rather scary elements rub shoulders with well-meaning socialists. Their campagn is very emotionalistic, implicitly nationalist, and ultimately shady.

One poster suggested that No2EU's purpose is to 'win over' potential BNP voters. My question would be: win them over to what exactly? Certainly not to internationalist positions? No2EU pay some lip service to internationalism on their website, but it reads more like a guilty disclaimer rather than part of the programme.

To me, it looks more like part of the left is being 'won over' here.

I agree that workers should struggle for equal working conditions for all, regardless of nationality. But I cannot find anything to that end on the No2EU website. Is the 'pan-European workers state' an integral part of their programme or just something that an activist hastily added when confronted with criticism?

Once again, I'm posting this article FYI:

No2EU and its righwing bedfellows (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/apr2009/rmt2-a07.shtml)

no2euro is quite clearly anti bnp and it a lot of its campaigners have been drawn into direct confrontations with the bnp on the streets.
bob? crowe clearly stated no2eu was against the creation of a neo liberal european super state, the eu, and in favour of a workers europe.
a workers european state is not the agenda of no2euro, no2euro is a broad alliance of anti european non fascists wanting to give the british electorate an alternative to the big three parties and the fascist bnp.
winning over bnp members is a must for all us lefts, the average bnp member and supporter does not believe the bnp to be fascist party, their "racism" is based on the lies of capitalist parties seeking to blame immigrants for the results of their economiic incompetence whilst covering their own agenda of driving workers wages down etc. and the belief that the bnp is an alternative to these self same parties that created the conditions for a fascist party like the bnp to exist and draw support from the working class.
it has no right wing bedfellows, it's opposition to the eu is not nationalist but based in the interests of the working class both here in britain and across the eu.
the "lefts" speaking out against the no2eu campaign are speaking, generally, from a viewpoint outside of the current struggles in the uk, they have not been involved in the strikes, they have had no participation in organising or educating workers in these struggles,
it's the theorists criticising the participants as usual, the theorists keeping themselves politically pure and the participants dealing with the real world.

[redarmyfaction38]

no2euro is quite clearly anti bnp and it a lot of its campaigners have been drawn into direct confrontations with the bnp on the streets.
bob? crowe clearly stated no2eu was against the creation of a neo liberal european super state, the eu, and in favour of a workers europe.
a workers european state is not the agenda of no2euro, no2euro is a broad alliance of anti european non fascists wanting to give the british electorate an alternative to the big three parties and the fascist bnp.
winning over bnp members is a must for all us lefts, the average bnp member and supporter does not believe the bnp to be fascist party, their "racism" is based on the lies of capitalist parties seeking to blame immigrants for the results of their economiic incompetence whilst covering their own agenda of driving workers wages down etc. and the belief that the bnp is an alternative to these self same parties that created the conditions for a fascist party like the bnp to exist and draw support from the working class.
it has no right wing bedfellows, it's opposition to the eu is not nationalist but based in the interests of the working class both here in britain and across the eu.
the "lefts" speaking out against the no2eu campaign are speaking, generally, from a viewpoint outside of the current struggles in the uk, they have not been involved in the strikes, they have had no participation in organising or educating workers in these struggles,
it's the theorists criticising the participants as usual, the theorists keeping themselves politically pure and the participants dealing with the real world.
i'm probably getting too grrr about this, but, back in the 1970s, we were faced with a similar situation, the far right were gaining ground amongst working class people, the labour govt. had become a servant to the imf and needs of international capital, whilst we fought the national front on the streets, we were, at the same time, waging a political battle to win over those workers that supported the nf by exposing them for the fascist and nazis they were, organisations like the anl and afa organised inside trade unions and in local communities explaining how the nf actually served the system that created the nf and how they weren't an alternative.
the most important part of that explanation, at that time, was explaining the immigrant the nf wanted to send home wasn't an immigrant you don't know but your mates pasha and leroy.
at that time too non participants, the ideologically pure criticised the actions of the the swp, the anarchists, the international socialists etc for presenting a basic non revolutionary alternative to the masses.
guess what, the nf got beaten into non existence.
no2eu reflects the actual levels of consciousnes amongst the british working claas, it presents a workerist alternative to the bnp, it's not politically pure and it's progamme falls short of the socialist programme its socialist and communist party members would like to put forward, but it's better than doing nothing and it's definitely better than nit picking from the sidelines.
if you want to influence the policies of no2euro then join, put your ideas to the party and let them decide democratically whether to adopt them.
if you actually want to build a working class party, representing the working class then join the cnwp, put your views forward etc.
sitting on the sidelines espousing your personal or party criticisms is just self indulgence, imo.

[communard resolution]

no2euro is quite clearly anti bnp

No doubt about that, but it's not so clearly anti nationalist ideas. Potential BNP voters are not won over to an internationalist perspective, only to a different group.

Of course, No2EU slogans are less crude and more ambiguous than BNP slogans, but I think they are formulated in a way that nationalists and xenophobes can read into them whatever they wish.

The majority of EU opponents are from the bourgeois political spectrum and want British sovereignity rather than a 'pan-European workers state' - so that's where this particular train is likely to be heading. As I mentioned in an earlier post, one immediate consequence of Britain's withdrawal from the EU (assuming the pan-European workers state fails to materialise) would be the repatriation of workers without a British passport. What more could a nationalist want?

If I essentially agreed with the phrase "Britain for the British" but were not sure about the BNP and their fascist/nazi connotations, I would probably vote No2EU since it promises to bring about the desired results without the side effects.


bob? crowe clearly stated no2eu was against the creation of a neo liberal european super state, the eu, and in favour of a workers europe.The leaflet I got in my mail says


Nation-states with the right to self-determination and their governments are the only institutions that can control the movement of big capital and clip the wings of the transnational corporations and banks.
protection of home industriesWhat is it they're advocating here? National Socialism?

Throughout the leaflet and on their website, No2EU seem to make a distinction between 'bad' international capital and 'good' national capital.


a workers european state is not the agenda of no2euro, no2euro is a broad alliance of anti european non fascists wanting to give the british electorate an alternative to the big three parties and the fascist bnp.Maybe I got it all terribly wrong, but judging by their slogans, No2EU seem to be more of an alliance of left-wing nationalists to give the British electorate an alternative to the right-wing nationalist BNP.


the "lefts" speaking out against the no2eu campaign are speaking, generally, from a viewpoint outside of the current struggles in the uk, they have not been involved in the strikes, they have had no participation in organising or educating workers in these struggles,Do you mean Left Communists or the non-No2EU Left in general? As far as I'm aware, the CPGB supported the Lindsay strikers, for instance - very critically though, since the "British Jobs for British Workers" slogan was a bit hard to swallow. I'm not sure what the Left Communist position on the strikes is.

[communard resolution]

afa organised inside trade unions and in local communities explaining how the nf actually served the system that created the nf and how they weren't an alternative.

That's great! Why can't no2EU do the same and educate workers about nationalism vs. internationalism? Why go the populist way and peddle super-dodgy nationalism lite to attract them?


it has no right wing bedfellows

What is your answer to the points in the article I linked to then?