School....good or bad?

[f-thesystem]

Hey!

I personally hate school. I think that after you learn the basics of all subjects (elementary and middle school), you should be able to move into a type of school where you learn things that are actually needed in the real world.

Personally, as a sophmore high school student, i can't stand school. I find it boring and trivial (except for history most times) and can never stay focused and get my homeword/schoolwork done.

So i guess the point of this is to see what your veiws on schooling are, how you think it should be set up, or to what level of education we should have.

p.s- I really think its just a way to get us to be good flag waving American business men

[ArrowLance]

I feel that education should be provided towards the goal of, and until, achievement of a chosen career.

[ZeroNowhere]

We had a recent discussion on this here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/trashing-teens-t108158/index.html?p=1438546#post1438546). I pretty much state my viewpoint there, so there's no point in repeating it here. We also had a discussion on it ages ago, but that didn't have as much to do with the school system as with, well... Not a lot of import, really. Anyways, I prefer the model followed by Sudbury Schools and such.

[MikeSC]

I hated school, but I wish I was back there. I didn't value it then, but now I'm interested in things it's given me something to base any foray into learning on, I guess. I'd keep it generalized, rather than career focussed. Who wants to be trapped in a career path when they're still a kid?

Plus, sociology class was what got me into reading Marx in the first place.

[Demogorgon]

Many schooling systems are problematic because they don't take into account different learning types. They tend to taylor their teaching to visual learners when there are just as many auditary and kinesthetic learners. Also they teach far too much towards passing exams than they do towards expanding knowledge and critical thinking. Especially in these times of league tables and suchlike.

However education is still a good thing and should be provided to all at least until they reach adulthood. Children should be afforded the right to develop their knowledge and critical thinking abilities and also be protected from having to work, which is what they end up having to do without compulsory education.

Education needs to improve as it needs to taylor to a wider range of learning types, focus more on imparting knowledge and teaching people to think and providing interesting subject matter. Nonetheless it very much has to stay.

EDIT: Also there are some people whose talents simply are not in the academic field. Rather than forcing them to sit through boring classes, they should be taught things more suited to their needs and interests. Again though, they should still be receiving education.

[Vincent P.]

School as a concept is really nice, that is providing knowledge to kids. But I'm for changing a lot of stuff:

- Promote homeschooling at least until high school. This would ensure that kids won't be deadly indoctrinated at the age when they are the most vulnerable, and frankly it's not that hard to meet elementary school standards with 2-3 hours a day for 4-5 year.
-All thourough the education, promote autonomy and self-teaching. Less hours with a teacher but with more concentrated lessons, so that he would be more available to kids asking questions. The rest of the time, create some "reading time" on a given subject to prepare exams.
- Give specialized teaching (read: for your future job) just after junior high.


It may seem weird, but it would have worked for me. I'm a hardcore autodidact, but I'm aware not everybody feel good with having freedom when it comes to learning.

[ArrowLance]

I disagree with promoting homeschool, in fact, I do not think homeschool is a good idea at all. Homeschooling is more likely to produce indoctrinated kids than a properly established public school. Also, there would be more cases of students who didn't keep up with standards due to parents either not caring or not having sufficient abilities to teach.

[ArrowLance]

I Who wants to be trapped in a career path when they're still a kid?


Career focused learning does not necessarily 'trap' you into a career. And you wouldn't even have to think about your career until you had already learned sufficiently in a broad array of subjects.

[swampfox]

Threadstarter, I know you feel this way now, but trust me after two years you won't. I'm a graduating senior in three more days and now I regret many of the poor choices I made in class (acting up, sleeping, not studying, arguing with teachers about pointless work).

High school plays a very important role in developing your character, not just academically.

[ZeroNowhere]

I disagree with promoting homeschool, in fact, I do not think homeschool is a good idea at all. Homeschooling is more likely to produce indoctrinated kids than a properly established public school.
Bollocks, it's equally likely. If we're counting unschooling as a type of homeschooling (I have issues with this, but people sometimes say 'homeschooling' rather than 'unschooling' to avoid controversy), then it's less likely, because there would actually be homeschoolers who aren't indoctrinated, which is better than one could say for public schools. Though I do have problems with home-schooling as much as any other type of schooling.


- Give specialized teaching (read: for your future job) just after junior high.
I'm fairly sure that most or at least a lot of kids around that age will have no idea about what their future job would be (and I don't especially like pushing specialization on people anyways), I certainly didn't, so that may not be especially feasible.


High school plays a very important role in developing your character, not just academically.
It does, yes.

[Rjevan]

I think that school should teach you the basics (note the stress on basics!) of various subjects, since a broad general knowledge hasn't harmed anyone yet, plus you maybe find out some talents and interests you didn't know of before. But then you should be able to choose your subjects and specialise far more than it is possible now.

If I'm bad at natural science subjects but very talented at learning foreign languages why should I have maths, physics and chemics till the end of my school life although the chances of needing most of the things I learn here in real life are zero? But if natural science is the love of my life and I'm planning to become a physicist why should I study Goethe? Well, maybe I would study Goethe for fun and out of interest but there's no need to get bad marks just because I didn't realise that there's a hendiadys in line 38 on page 15 and lessons should be much more related to real life and prepare you for your future life and career. Maybe the marking system should be also reformed, motivation and interest should be rewarded, not only stupid learning by heart.

But school is needed and education is very important. Besides from enabling you to have good and intellectual discussions with people who don't have to look up every second word you say, education is a basic right which should be provided equally to everybody.

I agree that school is used as an instrument of propaganda and indoctrination but without education it is even more easy for the ruling class to keep the people low and opress them, see the proles in Orwell's "1984" for example, this is not made up fiction; a country full of stupid working slaves who don't even know about their rights and how to write their name, not to speak of any protest letters, is the dream of any capitalist and right-wing ruler.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

- Promote homeschooling at least until high school. This would ensure that kids won't be deadly indoctrinated at the age when they are the most vulnerable, and frankly it's not that hard to meet elementary school standards with 2-3 hours a day for 4-5 year.


Pretty much the opposite of everything you said is true.

[Vincent P.]

Pretty much the opposite of everything you said is true.

First of all, I said promoting homeschooling, which implies that you've got choice. If parents don't feel they can homeschool their kid, they just send them to school. If the kid fail to some kind annual exams, which means that their parents neglected his education, then send him back to school.

As for the efficiency of homeschooling, well I'm convinced parents teaching their kid are more efficient than a dude who don't give a shit to let 3-4 student behind trying to teach to 30 apes. Take that as private lessons.
I remember that I was sleeping almost all day at elementary school and that the only place where I actually learned something was after school with homeworks, that is in less than 1h. It's been that way until I left high school, which is 3 months before the final exams. Then I became "self-schooled" and I managed to get better mark than at school with an average of 4 hours of work a day (when we compare it to 7-9h/day at school...).

Now: indoctrination. The few parents who genuinely indoctrinate their kids are doing it anyway after school. Homeschooling wouldn't change much things here, exept that the majority wouldn't receive "official" indoctrination. But hey I'm promoting homeschooling only for elementary school, before sensitive subjects (evolution...) are taught.

[MikeSC]

Would homeschooling really be less indoctrinating than regular school, though? At least with regular school you get access to a load of different viewpoints, and still have your parent's influence on top of that.

Better than say, Christian parents having their kid indoctrinated by a homeschooler of their choice, like the Conservapedia guy.

[Vincent P.]

Would homeschooling really be less indoctrinating than regular school, though? At least with regular school you get access to a load of different viewpoints, and still have your parent's influence on top of that.

Better than say, Christian parents having their kid indoctrinated by a homeschooler of their choice, like the Conservapedia guy.

Well as I said, in elementary school there is little to no question requiring different viewpoints. This comes in junior highschool: politics, evolution...

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

First of all, I said promoting homeschooling, which implies that you've got choice. If parents don't feel they can homeschool their kid, they just send them to school. If the kid fail to some kind annual exams, which means that their parents neglected his education, then send him back to school.

As for the efficiency of homeschooling, well I'm convinced parents teaching their kid are more efficient than a dude who don't give a shit to let 3-4 student behind trying to teach to 30 apes. Take that as private lessons.
I remember that I was sleeping almost all day at elementary school and that the only place where I actually learned something was after school with homeworks, that is in less than 1h. It's been that way until I left high school, which is 3 months before the final exams. Then I became "self-schooled" and I managed to get better mark than at school with an average of 4 hours of work a day (when we compare it to 7-9h/day at school...).

Now: indoctrination. The few parents who genuinely indoctrinate their kids are doing it anyway after school. Homeschooling wouldn't change much things here, exept that the majority wouldn't receive "official" indoctrination. But hey I'm promoting homeschooling only for elementary school, before sensitive subjects (evolution...) are taught.



In my expirence kids who get homeschooled normally moronic religious parents who are not able to teach to the standard of even the poorest of school teachers and as a result end up with no qualifications or rejoin school having being held back about two or three years and lack many social skills.

This goes for all school (by the way going on about elementary school confuses me as I have no idea what it is, sorry)

[mykittyhasaboner]

I think the obvious conclusion of this thread will be: School, good, but the education system needs to be drastically changed (especially in the US).

[Vincent P.]

I think the obvious conclusion of this thread will be: School, good, but the education system needs to be drastically changed (especially in the US).
Absolutly, and in Canada too. But how? I'm proposing stuff that would have fitted me, but I'm not much of a reference. Beside personal experience and self-analysis I've got absolutly no knowledge on the matter.

[hugsandmarxism]

Hey!

I personally hate school. I think that after you learn the basics of all subjects (elementary and middle school), you should be able to move into a type of school where you learn things that are actually needed in the real world.

Personally, as a sophmore high school student, i can't stand school. I find it boring and trivial (except for history most times) and can never stay focused and get my homeword/schoolwork done.

So i guess the point of this is to see what your veiws on schooling are, how you think it should be set up, or to what level of education we should have.

p.s- I really think its just a way to get us to be good flag waving American business men

I'm of the opinion that learning should be a life-long endeavor and learning should facilitate the pursuit of one's passions (after, of course, providing for people a basics understanding of the world around them).

Anyhow, I REALLY hated High School. The people were shit, the classes were either droll or propaganda, and I didn't have the room I needed to thrive. High School is something to be survived; just keep your head down and get through it. Then go to college. That's where the fun begins. I'm a Sociology major and I'm loving it. :thumbup1:

[mykittyhasaboner]

Absolutly, and in Canada too. But how? I'm proposing stuff that would have fitted me, but I'm not much of a reference. Beside personal experience and self-analysis I've got absolutly no knowledge on the matter.

Well for one, schools simply need more funding. With more money to spend on supplies like computers, books, etc this would ensure that every student has what they need to learn to the best of their ability. Currently, (In the US) many 'regular' schools get their funds cut in favor of "more advanced" 'magnet' schools, which is basically a public school that you have to be accepted into, its not a student's school simply by living across the street. Once we over come this whole inequality of funding among schools, we won't have students competing to get into better schools with better benefits and programs.

Also, students need to be given more control over the functions and activities on campus; meaning the creation of student organizations (which actually have power, not just for show). If students have democratic control over their own education, then everything can be solved from there.

Really its just a matter of fundamental reforms, that necessitates schools having enough money, and students having enough control over their own education.

[jake williams]

Public schooling in state capitalist societies is extremely harmful because of the obvious characteristics of how public systems are run in state capitalist societies. What and how capitalists want to teach children is bad for them and the societies they participate in.

Schooling in a healthy society, however, is an extremely good idea. We just don't live in a healthy society. As ZN mentioned, a lot of what I think about the topic I've explained elsewhere.

[C0YS]

I think the problem with school is a very difficult one. School often forces views on people and in many casses limits the freedom of expression. School in many casses atempts to teach someone as a "perfect example of sociaty" rather then a person. Ultamatly school is run as a dictatorship with the lerning side of which can easlaly be abused with no measure of ways you can react to it.

Another big problem with schools is its always from a very early age about compitition. From students compiting with themselfs and schools compiting with other schools. Ultimatly its a capatalist feeding machine in a veration in ideas. Mostly thanks to its rewarding system. You do a certain thing by ranking well against oppostition you get rewarded. However trivial this may seem I feel the school rewarding system is very much the basics for morden day capatalism. As well as a way of bringing up morden way politics. Education runs on misundertanding the child and abusing the child (not in "that" way) in a series of ways while the child has no room to argue/appeal with these clames.

However education is needed.

(also sorry about spelling and grammar)

[Code]

Look up Rubin (part 1) on YouTube
I personally think education is needed but the current system is bullshit

[Code]

Current skool systems are feudal institutions that brainwash and breed greed!!

[ZeroNowhere]

Also, students need to be given more control over the functions and activities on campus; meaning the creation of student organizations (which actually have power, not just for show).Heh, this reminds me of the 'School Council' elections that we had back at our school. It was basically voting for people to really not make much of a difference whatsoever (contrary to promises, of course, not that the promises were for much), except perhaps organizing the formals and such. So basically the US elections (of which I have many bad memories).

[jake williams]

Also, students need to be given more control over the functions and activities on campus; meaning the creation of student organizations (which actually have power, not just for show). If students have democratic control over their own education, then everything can be solved from there.
I'm working at my own school presently to try to politicize the student council. It's baby steps, but it's a start.

[ZeroNowhere]

I'm working at my own school presently to try to politicize the student council. It's baby steps, but it's a start.Hm, how are you going about this?

[mykittyhasaboner]

Heh, this reminds me of the 'School Council' elections that we had back at our school. It was basically voting for people to really not make much of a difference whatsoever (contrary to promises, of course, not that the promises were for much), except perhaps organizing the formals and such. So basically the US elections (of which I have many bad memories).
Which is my point that student organizational bodies have to have some say in what goes on, otherwise the administrators are all but free to do what they want. I don't need to explain how that's bad.

[ZeroNowhere]

Which is my point that student organizational bodies have to have some say in what goes on, otherwise the administrators are all but free to do what they want. I don't need to explain how that's bad.
Sure, I was agreeing with you, basically.

[Poppytry]

School is good there's no doubt about that. You can never eliminate bias from the curriculum. The smart ones will work it out for themselves with further reading outside of the class.

[Vendetta]

I don't know about y'all, but I'm glad I got somewhat of an education.

At least as much as SC can offer.

[redSHARP]

school is very important! do well but dont blow your brains out over it!
my high school senior days was spent on the great american past time, skipping classes to go to gym. 3 to 4 periods a day of pure gym action.

as for reform, get rid of regents. the school should make up those type of tests.
put more time away for gym.
more time for vocational and real life skills (like sewing, doing tax work, shit like that)

[Code]

school is very important! do well but dont blow your brains out over it!
my high school senior days was spent on the great american past time, skipping classes to go to gym. 3 to 4 periods a day of pure gym action.

as for reform, get rid of regents. the school should make up those type of tests.
put more time away for gym.
more time for vocational and real life skills (like sewing, doing tax work, shit like that)

And what if some people don't like gym
For a 40k player you seem kinda forgetful of the less athletic

[Sort It Out Frosty]

Bad. Getting ideological indoctrination is the function of the modern school system. Drop out, learn a trade, do your own thing. If you live in America consider checking out the Teenage Liberation Handbook by Grace Llewellyn. Take a look at Autodidactic Press which has books for self-learners. The education system in this capitalist world we live in is designed to reproduce the class system and the worldview of the system, it shapes people into an obedient workforce used to bells, clocks, surveillance and orders. Education should never get in the way of learning and the best way to learn is by doing. As Confucius once supposedly said - "Hear and forget, See and remember, Do and understand."

School is almost 100 percent a waste of your time, a waste of your life. :thumbdown:

[jake williams]

Hm, how are you going about this?
I have a teacher who helps out with stuff. I've had a couple meetings where we get activist speakers to come, and she's gotten some people in her class interested in trying to participate more in decision making. I'm sort of friends with the incoming student council president, he's come to one of our meetings.

Most high school students don't like their school and want to participate in how it's run. They have good suggestions most of the time. The work is mostly giving them ways to work toward that, articulating their discomfort, trying to get them to accept the idea that they can in fact better their situations, making connections with other struggles, the usual sort of consciousness-raising stuff.

[Il Medico]

Mykittyhasaboner is right, the education system is fucked up. However, education in any form is necessary. Education is the flame that keeps human progress going. It is by no means bad. As a graduating senior, I did your faze. My suggestion is do your homework and pay attention in class, all knowledge is important!

[Cynical Observer]

Education is necessary (this is a high school sophomore saying this) but as everyone else has said there needs to be some major changes. The damage to students' psyche is tremendous, they are robbed of their individuality in a bureaucratized system and then bullied by idiotic (most of them) authoritarian teachers who don't allow any sort of democratic process in their classrooms. School serves no other function than to condition people to be quiet little workers who follow orders. Anyone who is vocal about their opinions or refuses to follow orders without justification for doing so will eventually be expelled and guided into a criminal mind-set. As far the the actual education it's self, i find it mostly useless after elementary school. I'm in favor of being able to select your classes and the way your classes are organized after elementary school. This would cut down on lack of desire to learn, and might actually teach students something they can use in their future careers, or at the least, cater to their strengths. Finally school administrators, and teachers are power-drunk. The majority of them are self-righteous, and view students as inferior beings that are to do their work quietly and are not to have opinions of their own. They keep the students happy with quasi-nationalistic pep-rallies and consumerized school events, the student councils that organize these events have no actual power but are simply mouthpieces for the principle.

[Pogue]

lol i just wrote an essay on this, i'll answer this in depth tommorow.

[ZeroNowhere]

I have a teacher who helps out with stuff. I've had a couple meetings where we get activist speakers to come, and she's gotten some people in her class interested in trying to participate more in decision making. I'm sort of friends with the incoming student council president, he's come to one of our meetings.

Most high school students don't like their school and want to participate in how it's run. They have good suggestions most of the time. The work is mostly giving them ways to work toward that, articulating their discomfort, trying to get them to accept the idea that they can in fact better their situations, making connections with other struggles, the usual sort of consciousness-raising stuff.Sounds good. Good luck with that.


Finally school administrators, and teachers are power-drunk.
Eh, I'm not sure about teachers. Some are, yes, and the job works quite well for that. Still, quite a few more are nice people or trying to help and not really knowing any other way.


and then bullied by idiotic (most of them) authoritarian teachers who don't allow any sort of democratic process in their classrooms.
To be fair, allowing much democracy would probably lose them their jobs.


If you live in America consider checking out the Teenage Liberation Handbook by Grace Llewellyn.
I don't really see why that should only be confined to the US. There's some dodgy stuff in there ('Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance'? Also lots of other crap. Though some good book suggestions), but it's a pretty helpful book otherwise, and has information on the laws of several nations that would probably be very helpful.


School is good there's no doubt about that. You can never eliminate bias from the curriculum.
You can, however, eliminate the curriculum.

[Rusty Shackleford]

You should really value what you CAN get from it. always remember to watch out for political spin on classes though. especially history/socail studies. and especially Government and Economics. (i fucking hate economics)
Im graduating in 2 weeks and well, im glad i still stayed relatively focused throughout my time in high school.
have fun with it too. try to relate projects to leftists ideology to at least help bring it into the classroom. they tend to avoid it for the most part.

dont just drop out though! it sucks somewhat but you can get A LOT from it.

[jake williams]

always remember to watch out for political spin on classes though. especially history/socail studies. and especially Government and Economics. (i fucking hate economics)
I've noticed in my own school that the fairest, most neutral, most honest discussion about political, social and economic issues is in the classes specifically dedicated to those topics - partly because my school happens to have a very good history department sort of by coincidence, and partly because in those topics you're dealing with the topics head-on. Things like the merits of communism become the direct, explicit subjects of discussion and debate, even if your teacher vehemently disagrees with you, as opposed to implicit assumptions.

The worst experiences I've had with politics in school are in English classes, by far. Most of the English teachers I've had think they're great progressives but they don't understand anything about politics. They slip you very unsophisticated articles advocating liberal, social-democrat views on complicated issues, and refuse to discuss the politics because that's "off-topic" - you're supposed to be discussing their (scant) merits as essays and articles, and not the politics. The worst is when they insist you write a piece taking one of two positions - the sort of soft-left position, or the crazy right-wing position. If you counter that we live in the real world and there are a multitude of factors implicated, or that you're not opposed to organic food and local production, you're opposed to ignorant yuppies who have no idea about what goes into the production and consumption decisions of people in India or Colombia or Kansas or wherever - or the power structures that actually organize international agribusiness... well I ended up dropping her course about two weeks in, suffice it to say.

In classes where the actual topic of discussion is political history, instead of, supposedly, essay-writing, even if a teacher gets annoyed when I disagree with simplified models of political variation, they can explain clearly and fairly that they understand what I'm saying but they're trying to use models that are accessible to people for whom all of this is new information. That's rational. "Just pick one" isn't.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Education can never be a bad thing but the systems in place in today's society need to be changed when the revolution happens. This is because school in it's current state has no care for freedom of thought and expression. I have found school to
discourage such thought and to try an indoctrinate and teach every kid to get a job and stay in line.

[jake williams]

Education can never be a bad thing but the systems in place in today's society need to be changed when the revolution happens. This is because school in it's current state has no care for freedom of thought and expression. I have found school to
discourage such thought and to try an indoctrinate and teach every kid to get a job and stay in line.
If the only food a person can buy is tremendously unhealthy, the solution isn't to not eat. Just because we need education doesn't mean our education is any good.

[ZeroNowhere]

Things like the merits of communism become the direct, explicit subjects of discussion and debate, even if your teacher vehemently disagrees with you, as opposed to implicit assumptions.Our teachers generally just went around parroting how socialism is impossible due to 'human nature', and not allowing much discussion on the subject (which meant that they could get away with misusing the words 'communism' and 'socialism' a lot, especially in history). The furthest I got was correcting my English teacher on the fact that the bourgeoisie is not, in fact, a term used to describe the educated. After which my parents were told during the next time they went to the school that I had been impolite. :rolleyes:
Though our English teacher was pretty nice otherwise. Though yeah, basically an Obamaite. Like every other English teacher here. We even had to watch some of his speeches and stuff in class. :(


The worst is when they insist you write a piece taking one of two positions - the sort of soft-left position, or the crazy right-wing position. I hate that kind of thing. I mean, I do generally manage to sneak a socialist essay into the guidelines, but it's still annoyingly centred around the right.

Apparently economics was horrible. Still, our school is something of a liberal recruitment center (hell, we had Make Poverty History videos shown during assemblies), so yeah.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

The title of this thread summarizes a confusing dilemma relating to education. Schools are not so much "good" or "bad" as inefficient. This criticism extends beyond public education, by the way. I've been a participant to both, in separate situations, and beyond different demographics, there seemed to be a lack of awareness towards what exactly education's function is about --

Preparation. Individualizing the student, not making him (or her) another cog meant to be pushed into its place. Too often administrations emphasize their focus on the top performing students while leaving the rest out to fight for scraps. Don't get me wrong: some of the blame should be placed solely on the parents and/or student, especially when talking about high school.

The basics we can all (I think) agree on. Every student should know how to perform algebra, write with precision, and provide the elementary standard of at least one foreign language. I also think it's not absurd to state that every student should be able to master something more than the basics, in order for the student to truly get an understanding of what they want to be when they grow up.

(On a separate note, I'm really tired of how mathematics at the higher level is separated from reality into a sort of "theoretics" lessons. Most math *gasp* does have a function in your life. Trigonometry relates to music, statistics helps you determine what's "safe sex"... but anyhow...)

I would register a few complaints about the treatment of students (ignoring general structure and inexorability towards teachers):

- There aren't enough advanced classes
- There isn't enough variety of classes in high school (both subjects and structure. Perhaps if students can demonstrate that they work better with minimal instruction, the school should provide a separate classroom for them to "self" learn).
- There isn't enough focus on careers.
- Student councils are a joke. Teachers, students, and parents should be put in charge of each public school, instead of the offhand power of "boards" and "administration." *

* Not sure if you can include students in "elementary" education.

[jake williams]

Why is this in Chit? This is plenty of very real issues.

[communard resolution]

Would homeschooling really be less indoctrinating than regular school, though? At least with regular school you get access to a load of different viewpoints, and still have your parent's influence on top of that.

Better than say, Christian parents having their kid indoctrinated by a homeschooler of their choice, like the Conservapedia guy.

Or this famed pair of twins, whose chances to ever return to the real world are slight. Products of home-schooling.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/nazi1.jpg

Can't say school was politically neutral (especially history lessons), but at least you were in touch with other kids.

Education is one of the most important things in life and should go way beyond basic schooling, not to mention that it should be free.

What I find problematic is that there is an emphasis on working under pressure and towards tight deadlines (exams and such), which some very bright kids excel less at than others. Then again, maybe that's the only realistic method to prepare you for survival in capitalist society.

[Angry Young Man]

There are very few teachers I can think of who weren't terrible. Mr Maughan the drama teacher was one, and the Lunds, PE teachers. Plus the headmaster was a ****. And the other kids were so fucking backward. Now, whatever you may have heard about Norfolk, any attempt of refutation is just a joke.

[Angry Young Man]

Or this famed pair of twins

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/nazi1.jpg



NO MDMA PIZZA! I WAS GONNA GET MDMA PIZZA FOR MY GIRLFRIEND AND WE WERE GONNA FUCK ALL DAY UNDER A TREE!

Confused? Explanation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-35K-G2uTo

[ZeroNowhere]

Or this famed pair of twins, whose chances to ever return to the real world are slight. Products of home-schooling.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/nazi1.jpg
Unlike the guy on their shirt, as well as people far worse than Neo-Nazis, such as Barack Obama, Dick Cheney and Slavoj Zizek.


- Student councils are a joke. Teachers, students, and parents should be put in charge of each public school, instead of the offhand power of "boards" and "administration."
I would disagree on parents, I don't really see any reason why they should have a say in the administration of the 'school'. Otherwise, sure, and students should be put in charge of the teachers.

[communard resolution]

Unlike the guy on their shirt

Absolutely true - point taken.


as well as people far worse than Neo-Nazis, such as Barack Obama, Dick Cheney and Slavoj Zizek.Because nazis don't happen to hold positions of power?

[Angry Young Man]

Apart from Dick Cheney.

[Dr Mindbender]

I'm of the opinion that learning should be a life-long endeavor and learning should facilitate the pursuit of one's passions (after, of course, providing for people a basics understanding of the world around them).

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This is exactly my sentiment. As a technocrat, i support a greater amalgamation between the workplace and the place of learning.

Work should not just be a place to pick up work related skills, but also to learn knowledge in general.

The total automisation of manual labour can help bring this about.

[Jazzratt]

Do I really have to keep posting a picture of a jobcentre until you guys finally get the idea. Dropping out is fucking stupid and you will regret it.

Speaking of which, my dole payments come under review next week; everyone wish me luck.

[Dr Mindbender]

Do I really have to keep posting a picture of a jobcentre until you guys finally get the idea. Dropping out is fucking stupid and you will regret it.


Maybe i've missed the point of this thread, but i think people are discussing the merit of the current school system and the possibility of reforming it.

Good luck on your dole review. :(

[Jazzratt]

Maybe i've missed the point of this thread, but i think people are discussing the merit of the current school system and the possibility of reforming it.
Ah in that case it is perhaps time I tooted my own horn a little and asked people to have a quick goosey-gander at these ideas (http://en.technocracynet.eu/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=63&func=view&catid=10&id=5454#5454). I've changed a few of my views since then, but I haven't got around to a v2 so this will have to do.




Good luck on your dole review. :(
Thanks.

[Killfacer]

I fucking loved school. From year 7-13 it was fucking superb.

[Dr Mindbender]

I miss the economic freedom of going to school and not having to do work in the paid sense, but the freedom of being an adult with more autonomous choice over my life choices means i wouldnt want to go back.

[Killfacer]

I miss the economic freedom of going to school and not having to do work in the paid sense, but the freedom of being an adult with more autonomous choice over my life choices means i wouldnt want to go back.

I wouldn't want to go back, but i still think i enjoyed it more than being 18. You can drink, just not inside pubs. You're discovering sex which is always nice, you can go mental and have no responsibilities.

[Dr Mindbender]

I wouldn't want to go back, but i still think i enjoyed it more than being 18. You can drink, just not inside pubs. You're discovering sex which is always nice, you can go mental and have no responsibilities.

My lack of sex at that time is perhaps one of the main precursors in my not wanting to jump in a time machine/fountain of youth.

I hated being 15 and being at the bottom of the suitor pecking order.