Marxist/Socialist Music - Any Suggestions?

[commie kg]

Comrades!
I was wondering if anyone had some suggestions of good socialist/marxist music. I'm having toruble finding anything besides RATM. I don't care what language it's in, but english is preferable. Something to play loud, and annoy the cappies, preferably alternative/rock type music.
Thanks!

[man in the red suit]

Laibach.....its in english and in yugoslavian

they are a bit stalinist though but to quote my good friend Gacky, " they are still red"

[commie kg]

I checked out "In the army now" from the album "NATO"
It seems very similar to Rammstein, which is good. :)
And from Slovenia, my country of ancestry.
Thanks man.

[man in the red suit]

but of course


if I can suggest a cd or two then you must definitely, with out a doubt, check out "kapital" which is very Marxist, "rekapitulacija," which is very totalitarian and industrial and "nova akropola," which is very VERY rammstein sounding if you like that kind of stuff. Hope that was some help to you.

(Edited by man in the red suit at 6:07 am on Nov. 23, 2002)

[Umoja]

The Coup takes an entremely communist stance on nearly everything. I mean they put the WTC on their Album cover being blown up! Of course this was June 2001..... Needless to say the cover was changed, but it says something about their views of Capitalism.

[guerrillaradio]

Firstly, I'd recommend you to listen to music regardless of its political affiliations, but if you want leftist, anti-capitalist music, then I'd recommend:

Rock/metal
System of a Down
One Minute Silence
Audioslave
Pearl Jam
Kinesis
Pitchshifter
Napalm Death
Biohazard
Agnostic Front
Hatebreed

Punk:
Black Flag
Dead Kennedys
MC5
The Clash
Manic Street Preachers (until 1995)
At the Drive-in

[man in the red suit]

system of a down? at the drive in?

they aren't really leftist and they just plain suck.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 8:05 pm on Nov. 23, 2002
system of a down? at the drive in?

they aren't really leftist and they just plain suck.

Another wonderfully eloquent and innovative post from the resident village idiot then.

I emphasised that it was anti-American music I was listing, not specifically leftist music. System of a Down have written lyrics about: the American 'revolving door' prison policy (Prison Song), police brutality (Deer Dance), gun culture (Sugar), the American media's misrepresentation of facts (Sugar), the Armenian genocide (P.L.U.C.K.) and American imperialism for economic purposes (War?), to name but a few. At the Drive-in's most famous track (Invalid Litter Dept) is about the consequences of American labour being exported to Mexico, and also the murders of many hundreds of Mexican women who work in them, and the vast majority of Relationship of Command has political references and criticism, even if I'm not capable of interpreting them for myself.

And if you seriously believe both those bands suck, then you are seriously missing out. Then again, you are one of those close-minded grunge fans who acts like he knows it all even though he doesn't remember Kurt Cobain...

Just think before you post.

[Camarade du Che]

Besides Invalid Litter Dept, ATD-I's songs are not political. Their lyrics are really really weird but it's not political. I'm a huge fan of them and from what I read in interviews and stuff they are great persons and definitely not cappies. I think you should listen to them if you're into Rage because At the Drive-In sounds like Rage without the hip hop and with more punk(they even toured with RATM).

I would also suggest you The International Noise Conspiracy. You should at least listen to "Capitalism stole my virginity" and watch the video of "Smash it up". If you prefer something more loud, go listen to the former band of the singer: Refused. Refused was really great and also way better than T.I.N.C. IMO.

I also like the song "Supply and Demand" from the Hives.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 9:21 pm on Nov. 23, 2002

Quote: from man in the red suit on 8:05 pm on Nov. 23, 2002
system of a down? at the drive in?

they aren't really leftist and they just plain suck.

Another wonderfully eloquent and innovative post from the resident village idiot then.


And if you seriously believe both those bands suck, then you are seriously missing out. Then again, you are one of those close-minded grunge fans who acts like he knows it all even though he doesn't remember Kurt Cobain...

Just think before you post.


yeah the village idiot has been my reputation on 2 different websites for quite a while now, so don't expect to see me crying.

and I am not a closed minded grunge fan. I like classic rock, industrial, pseudo classical, black metal, dark ambient, and many other genres.

I used to like both of the bands, so I'm not "missing out"

I got sick of their music and I feel that they both suck.

That is my opinion, nobody asked you to agree with me.
And what are you talking about, "I don't remember Kurt Cobain" ? not that that has anything to do with anything else but for all intensive purposes, yes, I do.

think before I post eh? you know that is virtually impossible for me to do.

You must think before you post.

and since when have I ever acted like I know everything? I never claimed I did.

(Edited by man in the red suit at 11:14 pm on Nov. 23, 2002)

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Camarade du Che on 10:54 pm on Nov. 23, 2002
Besides Invalid Litter Dept, ATD-I's songs are not political. Their lyrics are really really weird but it's not political. I'm a huge fan of them and from what I read in interviews and stuff they are great persons and definitely not cappies. I think you should listen to them if you're into Rage because At the Drive-In sounds like Rage without the hip hop and with more punk(they even toured with RATM).

Michael De Panama saw that tour...lucky bastard. I dunno, there are definite political tinges to tracks such as Arcarsenal and Mannequin Republic.


I would also suggest you The International Noise Conspiracy. You should at least listen to "Capitalism stole my virginity" and watch the video of "Smash it up". If you prefer something more loud, go listen to the former band of the singer: Refused. Refused was really great and also way better than T.I.N.C. IMO.

Fuck!!! I can't believe I forgot Refused!! They're my favourite punk band of all time :( Ah well...I agree with you on T(I)NC...good, but not comparable to Refused. I saw Noise Conspiracy @ Reading earlier this year, they put on a good show. Lyxen's quite the crowd-pleaser...

The Hives do have their political moments. As well as Supply and Demand which you mentioned, Die, All Right sounds pretty political...possibly an attack on the music industry or corporatism??

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 11:12 pm on Nov. 23, 2002
You must think before you post.

Is that an observation or a deploration??

[Som]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 9:21 pm on Nov. 23, 2002


police brutality (Deer Dance)


Actually its a bit more specific than that from what i can tell, I think its about the riots outside the republican national convention, which was held at the staples center "beyond the staples center you can see america.." so on.

good stuff.



(Edited by Som at 2:25 am on Nov. 24, 2002)

[Politix]

i dono any marxist rappers but.. here is a list of rappers and crews that have political messages

Talib Kweli
Dead Prez
Ice Cube
KRS ONE
Tupac
Nas
Ylook

[Umoja]

Politix,

Listen to The Coup! The first verse of their first album was:
"Presto read the Communist manifesto,
Guerillas in the mist and a Guevera named Ernesto"

The song is on the Album "Kill my Landlord" and is called "Dig it"

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 12:03 am on Nov. 24, 2002

Quote: from man in the red suit on 11:12 pm on Nov. 23, 2002
You must think before you post.

Is that an observation or a deploration??


more along the lines of observation. An enlightening one for me at that.

[Len]

Anti-Flag is anarchist. They're good.

[man in the red suit]

maybe I am close minded, guerillaradio,

I haven't heard one good band mentioned here so far.

and thus I have once again reinforced the validity of my nickname, the music nazi. (or to your satisfaction, village idiot)

[El Brujo]

Dying Fetus
Exhumed
Nile
Sodom
Bad Brains
Worker
Viva Fidel
Red Alert
Refused
Warzone
Madball
Agnostic Front
Sick Of It All
Shadows Fall

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from El Brujo on 6:25 am on Nov. 24, 2002
Dying Fetus


lmfao......omg that is the coolest name ever.

I have never heard a single one of those bands either btw

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Som on 2:25 am on Nov. 24, 2002
Actually its a bit more specific than that from what i can tell, I think its about the riots outside the republican national convention, which was held at the staples center "beyond the staples center you can see america.." so on.

Fair enough. I think it's about police brutality, with specific reference to the RNC.


Quote: from man in the red suit on 4:45 am on Nov. 24, 2002
maybe I am close minded, guerillaradio...

There's no maybe about it. Go out and buy a Refused album for fuck's sake...

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 1:12 pm on Nov. 24, 2002

Quote: from Som on 2:25 am on Nov. 24, 2002

[quote]Quote: from man in the red suit on 4:45 am on Nov. 24, 2002
maybe I am close minded, guerillaradio...

There's no maybe about it. Go out and buy a Refused album for fuck's sake...

that's ok.....I'll remain a "close minded grunge fan" for fuck's sake, but thanks anyway. Just making an observation for myself.

But you know what, there was a christian death cd I wanted to get, I think I will get that. Thanks for reminding me.

love,

the village idiot

(Edited by man in the red suit at 5:58 pm on Nov. 24, 2002)

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 5:58 pm on Nov. 24, 2002

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 1:12 pm on Nov. 24, 2002
There's no maybe about it. Go out and buy a Refused album for fuck's sake...

that's ok.....I'll remain a "close minded grunge fan" for fuck's sake, but thanks anyway. Just making an observation for myself.

No really...go and buy a Refused record. No wait...I'll send you a copy. PM me your address. I'm serious. :)

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 7:35 pm on Nov. 24, 2002

Quote: from man in the red suit on 5:58 pm on Nov. 24, 2002

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 1:12 pm on Nov. 24, 2002
There's no maybe about it. Go out and buy a Refused album for fuck's sake...

that's ok.....I'll remain a "close minded grunge fan" for fuck's sake, but thanks anyway. Just making an observation for myself.

No really...go and buy a Refused record. No wait...I'll send you a copy. PM me your address. I'm serious. :)


lol if you want me to hear them so bad, I will go and listen to one of their albums on cdnow. No need to go to the trouble to mail me a bomb....er.....refused album I mean.

If you like them, I will take your word for it that they are good since respect your music preferences overall. But since taking your word for it is probably not enough for either of us, I will listen to an entire cd from first track to last and give you my honest opinion.

[MJM]

The best radio station online, radio rebelde

http://www.live365.com/stations/217050

Tons of stuff.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 9:21 pm on Nov. 24, 2002
No need to go to the trouble to mail me a bomb....er.....refused album I mean.

LOL...so untrusting MITRS. Remember, I'm a moderator now, I have responsibilities. :biggrin:

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 10:46 pm on Nov. 24, 2002

Quote: from man in the red suit on 9:21 pm on Nov. 24, 2002
No need to go to the trouble to mail me a bomb....er.....refused album I mean.

LOL...so untrusting MITRS. Remember, I'm a moderator now, I have responsibilities. :biggrin:


shit dude....your right you are a moderator. I am gonna have to kiss your ass now otherwise you might change my buddy icon into the village idiot like they did on sonus.

*MITRS commenses with the brown nosing.

MITRS: well guerilla radio, you are quite right, refused is an excellent band. I was wrong to doubt you sir. May I also add that that is a beutiful tie your wearing sir. Can you recommend any other fantastic bands to me sir? You have a fantastic taste in music I might add, sir.

seriously, Malte was bad enough. Now I am really gonna have to tread carefully.

(Edited by man in the red suit at 11:08 pm on Nov. 24, 2002)

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 11:07 pm on Nov. 24, 2002
seriously, Malte was bad enough. Now I am really gonna have to tread carefully.

I can't change your avatar or ban you so don't worry. All I can do is delete your threads. And I wouldn't. You're kinda fun to put down... :biggrin:

[Michael De Panama]

Quote: from guerrillaradio on 6:00 pm on Nov. 23, 2002
Michael De Panama saw that tour...lucky bastard.
Yup. :biggrin:

[killingstars]

Quote: from Camarade du Che on 6:54 am on Nov. 24, 2002
Besides Invalid Litter Dept, ATD-I's songs are not political. Their lyrics are really really weird but it's not political.

you need to pick up the lyrics and read them a couple of times because it's all political. might be hard to understand because cedric is yelling but it's political. why do you think atdi broke up? my ex did an interview with them two months before the broke up and cedric has very strong view on politics. the main reason the broke up was because they didn't want to be part of the industry, exploiting their music to make a profit. i've seen almost every show they have played in the la area since 97, they were definitely not in it for the profit. they were also pacifists, once at a show a guy started to crowd surf, cedric stopped the showed pulled him on stage and pulled ten bucks out of his pocket and told the guy to leave, he was paying him for the ticket. cedric said he considered that to be violent and the band was against any harm.

as for them sounding like rage...there is a band called fugazi....anyone heard of them? they are also very political, very much so. everyone should check them out. atdi get their sound from them if it weren't for fugazi there would have never been a rage. pick up an album than listen to rage and however different it sounds, it really is similiar.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from killingstars on 7:03 pm on Nov. 26, 2002
why do you think atdi broke up? my ex did an interview with them two months before the broke up and cedric has very strong view on politics. the main reason the broke up was because they didn't want to be part of the industry, exploiting their music to make a profit. i've seen almost every show they have played in the la area since 97, they were definitely not in it for the profit. they were also pacifists, once at a show a guy started to crowd surf, cedric stopped the showed pulled him on stage and pulled ten bucks out of his pocket and told the guy to leave, he was paying him for the ticket. cedric said he considered that to be violent and the band was against any harm.

I actually thought the Drive-in's whole anti-moshing vendetta was a bit lame to be honest. I've been in many millions of moshpits and although people do get injured, it is such a low proportion to those who have a genuinely good time.

And I was under the understanding that they split cos they were exhausted and fed up with touring, the press and the industry.


as for them sounding like rage...there is a band called fugazi....anyone heard of them? they are also very political, very much so. everyone should check them out. atdi get their sound from them if it weren't for fugazi there would have never been a rage. pick up an album than listen to rage and however different it sounds, it really is similiar.

I kept meaning to mention Fugazi. I'm not their biggest fan, but I do have the ultimate respect for their politics and musical integrity.

[El Brujo]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 2:42 pm on Nov. 24, 2002

Quote: from El Brujo on 6:25 am on Nov. 24, 2002
Dying Fetus


lmfao......omg that is the coolest name ever.

I have never heard a single one of those bands either btw


Go out and pick up "Destroy The Opposition" by Dying Fetus. If your into groups like Napalm Death, you won't be dissapointed (Oh, and don't forget to pick up a Refused album while your at it :)).

[Camarade du Che]

"you need to pick up the lyrics and read them a couple of times because it's all political."
The lyrics are really abstract. I really doubt that it's all political. There are some songs that are probably political but I'm still not 100% sure of what they really mean.

"why do you think atdi broke up?"
They were tired of touring, they didn't want to go in the same direction musically and Cedric had problems with their manager. You should read this interview with Cedric, it's a must read for any ATD-I fan.
http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/lexington/interview1.html

"i've seen almost every show they have played in the la area since 97, they were definitely not in it for the profit"
That's why I said they were great persons, but that doesn't mean that their songs are political.

"as for them sounding like rage...there is a band called fugazi....anyone heard of them?"
I listened to 13 songs and I thought it was ok, I'll probably give it another try someday. But, I don't think they influenced RATM and ATD-I that much.

[Camarade du Che]

Back to the topic, commie kg said that he didn't care about the language so I'll write a list of some french bands from Québec that are political.

-Capitaine Révolte
-Les Vulgaires Machins
-Mononc' Serge
-Les Cowboys Fringuants (En Berne)
-Fred Fortin (La loi du chocolat)
-Rock et Belles Oreilles (Bonjour La Police)
-Loco Locass
-Grimskunk
-Céline Dion: it's a joke :)

There is also Planet Smashers with Wish I were American (it's sarcastic) but it's in english.

[killingstars]

Quote: from Camarade du Che on 5:11 am on Nov. 28, 2002
But, I don't think they influenced RATM and ATD-I that much.


really, you don't think so? well since i have personally talked to atdi, i can confirm that fugazi was a main influence, among others. just listen to it, you can't say atdi isn't fugazi-ish. and the guys from rage have also said they were influenced by fugazi, that's from an ap magazine interview from 1998, i have the issue somewhere around here....i'll find it if i have to.

and yes they were really tired of touring....that's why they toured as defacto right after the break up, and i mean it was like two weeks after...there are many reason why they broke up, i was just going of of what cedric and omar said.

as for the lyrics, i have the interview were cedric talked about it, i was also there during the interview. no not all are political but most have an aspect of it, usually an abstract meaning of their opinions. i wouldn't call them a political band because it wasn't an emphasis for them but their views are still there. maybe it's just asbract for a reason....but if you closely read the lyrics you'll pick up on it.

(Edited by killingstars at 8:30 am on Nov. 28, 2002)

[Camarade du Che]

I agree that Fugazi influenced RATM and ATD-I but not that "atdi get their sound from them if it weren't for fugazi there would have never been a rage". The way you had said it, it was like if ATD-I and RATM had copied Fugazi. That's not the case.

"there are many reason why they broke up, i was just going of of what cedric and omar said"
I know that they are great persons, but I still don't consider ATD-I to be a political band. They had aspects of it but not enough to be called a political band.

I completely agree on what you wrote in the third paragraph.

[Red Revolution]

RATM are crap they are only revolutionary cos they saw a gap in the market and filled it, + i cant stand yankee voices.

Manic St Preachers to 96 are the BEST for leftist music, if you like rock there's 'you love us', 'dead yankee drawl' and 'if white america told the truth for one day its whole world would fall apart' their xelent + they played havana and this ballad they wrote about a custody battle for a cuban child between Cuba and th U$ got a standing ovation lead by none other than Fidel Castro who went to the concert in the karl marx theatre in Havana!!!

[Fear Stalks The Land]

Tis a shame that everyone forgets about how revolutionary minded the manics actually were.........(even though they were signed to Sony) They were the Welsh Rage, only better i.e they could sing and managed to write and play some good songs.Unfortunately they're image has been tarred by dis-regarding theyr'e political ranting in favour of radio'friendly 3 minute pop songs. BUT theyr'e still good.

Also, I feel I should recomend Radiohead. Theyre not as openly political as its sort of abstract and contemporary. They sort have this "defeated" style- like were too late. Sorry if im talking crap.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Fear Stalks The Land on 9:16 pm on Nov. 30, 2002
Tis a shame that everyone forgets about how revolutionary minded the manics actually were.........(even though they were signed to Sony) They were the Welsh Rage, only better i.e they could sing and managed to write and play some good songs.Unfortunately they're image has been tarred by dis-regarding theyr'e political ranting in favour of radio'friendly 3 minute pop songs. BUT theyr'e still good.

Um...I mentioned them. And to put it more simply: Richey disappeared and they suck now.


Also, I feel I should recomend Radiohead. Theyre not as openly political as its sort of abstract and contemporary. They sort have this "defeated" style- like were too late.

Radiohead's politics are more obvious in their actions than in their lyrics. They did a tour in 2000 in this tent which had no adverts or sponsors whatsoever. Yorke has also been a vocal supporter of Jubilee 2000 and Stop the War Coalition, and a constant basher of New Labour.

[Red Revolution]

Thom Yorke is just trying to be different so Radioarse can get better publicity, if you cant see that then you are a victim of the cappie swine that you so openly dispise

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Red Revolution on 9:26 pm on Dec. 1, 2002
Thom Yorke is just trying to be different so Radioarse can get better publicity...

Um...how?? You wanna back that up??

[red warlock]

Rage is probably the only band I know to have communist lyrics....The man who started this asked about communist,not anarchist.......so on.....lyrics.Did you hear that Morello is no longer playing with RATM..
CHE GUEVARA PER SIEMPRE!!!
red warlock