21st century communist manifesto

[commyrebel]

I have came up with this idea with my friend a extreme communist when we were talking about Karl Marx's communist manifesto we noted that it was the greatest leftist political document ever, but we came to another one it is not up to date it hasn't seen the world changes that have happened since it. So me and him have came up with this idea of writing one that is based primarily on that same communist manifesto, but just adding the changes in the world and the proletarians struggles that have arose now. So me and him have grabbed our manifestos and other communist literature and have decided to make two of them then take info from both and then come up with the new updated version. Then i came upon this idea why don't I write one with my people so i have came here to get some of you willing to do this and make a manifesto for all. So any ideas please say them. if we want to we can make a group so contact me if i should thank you.

[The Feral Underclass]

Karl Marx's ideas and beliefs changed considerably through his life since he wrote that book.

Also, there are many communist organisations in the world that have various different manifesto's and ideas. If you want to understand revolutionary communist theory then it is important to read. The more you read, the more you will understand. If you are unsure about the things you read this forum will be able to provide you with answers.

A good place to start is here:

http://marxists.org/

[commyrebel]

Karl Marx's ideas and beliefs changed considerably through his life since he wrote that book.

Also, there are many communist organisations in the world that have various different manifesto's and ideas. If you want to understand revolutionary communist theory then it is important to read. The more you read, the more you will understand. If you are unsure about the things you read this forum will be able to provide you with answers.

A good place to start is here:

http://marxists.org/yes i am quite a were off his beliefs changing over time but it still is not up to date with the current world so stop saying shit everyone knows and start being smart enough to realize what i am saying

[The Feral Underclass]

yes i am quite a were off his beliefs changing over time but it still is not up to date with the current world so stop saying shit everyone knows and start being smart enough to realize what i am saying

I realised what you were saying, that's why I responded :confused:

If you're going to be this antagonistic and rude to people who are trying to help you then you are going to have a difficult time learning.

[commyrebel]

Karl Marx's ideas and beliefs changed considerably through his life since he wrote that book.

Also, there are many communist organisations in the world that have various different manifesto's and ideas. If you want to understand revolutionary communist theory then it is important to read. The more you read, the more you will understand. If you are unsure about the things you read this forum will be able to provide you with answers.

A good place to start is here:

http://marxists.org/ if you understood me why post this. and about the other manifestos none of them were as good as Marx's and not a new one it is just updating the info in the manifesto ok i am not trying to be agnostic but you just seem like you didn't understand what i was saying. this is not to understand I understand revolutionary theory perfect i have take political science and other political oriented classes.

[Agrippa]

Why do we need to create a new Communist Manifesto? The original one was awful enough....

[The Feral Underclass]

if you understood me why post this. and about the other manifestos none of them were as good as Marx's and not a new one it is just updating the info in the manifesto ok i am not trying to be agnostic but you just seem like you didn't understand what i was saying

I posted it because I thought it would be beneficial for you to read the later works of Karl Marx so you could see how his ideas changed and formed throughout his life.

As far as I can understand you want to update the communist manifesto. I am explaining, seemingly badly, that the communist manifesto is out-dated not just because it was written in 1848 but because the ideas within it are dated. It's also historically specific, so I'm not really sure how you'd update it anyway.

And as Marx's ideas changed I would argue not even Marx thought it was that great.

[The Feral Underclass]

Why do we need to create a new Communist Manifesto? The original one was awful enough....

:lol:

Well said.

[commyrebel]

Why do we need to create a new Communist Manifesto? The original one was awful enough....what you on and were not writing a new one were revising the old one so its up to date to the new world.

[The Feral Underclass]

what you on and were not writing a new one were revising the old one so its up to date to the new world.

But how is that possible and why would you want to do it?

[commyrebel]

But how is that possible and why would you want to do it? because i love marx and have based 8 years of my life on his theories and yes its hard but possible thats why i came here and it's ideas aren't out dated to a point were they can't work

[The Feral Underclass]

because i love marx and have based 8 years of my life on his theories

But is that really a reason to attempt updating a redundant book?


and yes its hard but possible thats why i came here and it's ideas aren't out dated to a point were they can't workWell, it was written in reaction to the February revolution in France in 1848 and was specific to that period. I'm not really sure that much of it is relevant or even particularly desirable. Sure, the stuff about class struggle is obviously relevant as is the historical materialism stuff he alludes to, but that's become bog-standard communist thought so I don't think you really need to "update" that, in fact, I'm not really sure what you'd be updating, especially considering Marx updated it all himself...

[teenagebricks]

I don't think updating it would be of any use at all, but that really depends on what you mean by updating it. If you wanted to completely change what The Communist Manifesto proposes then I think basing it on The Communist Manifesto in the first place would be a bad idea, Marxism is based on Marx's ideas so when you start changing things it ceases to be Marxism and becomes yet another derivative, which is something we really don't need. From a Marxist point of view The Communist Manifesto is as relevant today as it was in 1848, from a non Marxist point of view The Communist Manifesto is a stupid book anyway so why waste your time? Write something original.

[el_chavista]

I'd recommend you all to take a look at Razlatzki's 2nd Communist Manifesto:

introduction for Western and World Readers
http://www.proletarism.org/hm_2_p.shtml

Introduction to the 2nd Communist Manifesto
http://www.proletarism.org/hm_2_i.shtml

[mikelepore]

I wouldn't describe the deficiency of the Communist Manifesto by the words "not up to date[;] it hasn't seen the world changes that have happened since it." I would put it this way. In light of the past 150 years we should learn the lesson that there are two most important questions that this movement must answer: (1) Exactly what new structure for a new political and economic system is being proposed? (2) Exactly what political and economic actions or methods must be followed in order to implement that new system? I find it startling that these two fundamentals -- what result do you want, and how do you propose that we can attain it -- are nowhere discussed in this document, and scarcely discussed in the entire body of writings of Marx and Engels. To call the workers to "unite" is not a specific goal or program. With the most important issues not being mentioned at all, the Manifesto is relegated to be an essay about how to interpret world history. If you're studying history from antiquity up to the renaissance, go to the Communist Manifesto for insight, but if you're looking into the question of what the working class needs to do to change the world, that topic isn't covered there. The Communist Manifesto isn't a communist manifesto.

[gorillafuck]

I have came up with this idea with my friend a extreme communist
Is he an advocate of communism........TO THE EXTREME?!

[Nwoye]

Is he an advocate of communism........TO THE EXTREME?!
ahahaha

[ZeroNowhere]

Why do we need a new communist manifesto? The original one is good enough. Also Gothakritik.

[scarletghoul]

Even if you did make a new/revised manifesto, no one would care, unless you are a really respected marxist theorist or something. Otherwise its just another document to add to the irrelevent marxist diaspora

[robbo203]

I have came up with this idea with my friend a extreme communist when we were talking about Karl Marx's communist manifesto we noted that it was the greatest leftist political document ever, but we came to another one it is not up to date it hasn't seen the world changes that have happened since it. So me and him have came up with this idea of writing one that is based primarily on that same communist manifesto, but just adding the changes in the world and the proletarians struggles that have arose now. So me and him have grabbed our manifestos and other communist literature and have decided to make two of them then take info from both and then come up with the new updated version. Then i came upon this idea why don't I write one with my people so i have came here to get some of you willing to do this and make a manifesto for all. So any ideas please say them. if we want to we can make a group so contact me if i should thank you.

There are some indications in the various prefaces to the Communist Manifesto over the years which provided useful pointers as to how the document could be updated.

For instance, M & E made the point in one of the prefaces (I think the German one although I dont have my copy to hand) that "no special importance" was attached to the ten reform measures in the manifesto with the clear implication that these could be scrapped as the conditions have altered and the productive forces have lomng arrived at the point at which communism(socialism) has became feasible. I think already by the 1870s was talking about the feasibility of communism then; how much more so that is the case today

I would scrap these completely. I would also scrap all talk about the need to go down the high road of state capitalism and the "centralisation and concentration of capital". With hindsight we now know this is clearly a complete dead end and is simply not relevant to the attainment of a socialist or communist society in the world that we live in today.

Finally I would also scrap completely any reference to the dictatorship of the proletariat. Although Marx meant by dictatorship the old 19th century idea of the word (see Hal Draper's study on this) and equated dictatorship with a thoroughgoing democracy (viz. Paris Commune 1871) the word has since acquired negative connotations particularly in the hands of the Bolsheviks when they set up their state capitalist regime. Besides, the rationale for a transitional period of this sort in Marx's terms has long since disappeared. It only confuses the issue to bring it up

[SecondLife]

Instead there should be good idea to construct communist society model, with computer (like strategic computer game). The primary point should be in balancing between contra-revolution and corrupted nemenclature. If society becomes too contra-revolution or too corrupted, then game is over. Easy level should be where capitalist country resides in high awareness working-class area. Harder level of game should be where working-class is low awareness or in monarchy. You can use also tools (or weapons) like KGB, trade unions etc. :laugh:

[Cynical Observer]

Instead there should be good idea to construct communist society model, with computer (like strategic computer game). The primary point should be in balancing between contra-revolution and corrupted nemenclature. If society becomes too contra-revolution or too corrupted, then game is over. Easy level should be where capitalist country resides in high awareness working-class area. Harder level of game should be where working-class is low awareness or in monarchy. You can use also tools (or weapons) like KGB, trade unions etc. :laugh:

This game would be made of WIN!!!! i want to play, are there any software designers on these forums? :D

[piet11111]

http://www.proletarism.proletarism.ru/hm_2_p.shtml

a link to the second communist manifesto as El Chavista's link unfortunately leads to a broken website.

[Vincent P.]

when we were talking about Karl Marx's communist manifesto we noted that it was the greatest leftist political document ever


Holy gosh.:blink:

First off, it isn't speaking for all leftists but only for marxists, so it's not the "greatest leftist political document ever". And even from a marxist perspective, it contains little to no notions of political economy:

It's yelling to kick bourgeois ass for 50 pages non-stop without explaining the "why"s or the "and after that?". It's not an explanation of communism, nor is it a explanatory criticism of capitalism, it's mostly nothing but content-less *****ing from Marx's diary after the revolution of 1848.
The last 2 chapters, that is about half of the book, are totally irrevelant today: again it is *****ing without explanation, but it's *****ing about socialist currents which doesn't even exist anymore.
Last but not least: the Ten points. A real joke.
Marx wrote this text at 30 years old, much before he reached his political maturity.


I am for writting a new communist manifesto, as long as it gives more information about capitalism and communism than the first crappie one, but in no way it shall be re-constructed from the old one.

[el_chavista]

http://www.proletarism.proletarism.ru/hm_2_p.shtml

a link to the second communist manifesto as El Chavista's link unfortunately leads to a broken website.
But it works for me, I click that very link and go straight there :confused:

[ZeroNowhere]

It's yelling to kick bourgeois ass for 50 pages non-stop without explaining the "why"s or the "and after that?". It's not an explanation of communism, nor is it a explanatory criticism of capitalism, it's mostly nothing but content-less *****ing from Marx's diary after the revolution of 1848.
It's a propaganda piece, not a critique of the political economy. Also, no, it's not quite 'content-less *****ing'. And there is a brief outline of the 'and after that', but Marx never really gave much on that other than what's in the manifesto, other than in Gothakritik.


Last but not least: the Ten points. A real joke.
I would share your opinion of them, then I saw the SPUSA website. Still, it's only 10 lines, not too much of an issue.

Though yes, 'greatest leftist political document ever' is a load of bollocks.

[commyrebel]

But is that really a reason to attempt updating a redundant book?

Well, it was written in reaction to the February revolution in France in 1848 and was specific to that period. I'm not really sure that much of it is relevant or even particularly desirable. Sure, the stuff about class struggle is obviously relevant as is the historical materialism stuff he alludes to, but that's become bog-standard communist thought so I don't think you really need to "update" that, in fact, I'm not really sure what you'd be updating, especially considering Marx updated it all himself...Wrong it was written a couple weeks before the revolution and has the misconception of causing the February revolution so get your facts strait before you speak

[piet11111]

But it works for me, I click that very link and go straight there :confused:

i get an incomplete version of the document from that link.

[Bilan]

because i love marx and have based 8 years of my life on his theories

Then you're doing it for the wrong reasons. The Communist Manifesto doesn't need to be updated, it is a historical document; a pamphlet which corresponded more to a different situation.



and yes its hard but possible thats why i came here and it's ideas aren't out dated to a point were they can't work

No, it's pointless, you don't need to write a new document in isolation with your friend. There are plenty of communist groups out there now, and at least, you should be working with communists around you and other parties/groups/peoples you're affiliated with if you find it necessary to write this document.
The basic point is that there are already plenty, which are very relevant.