View Full Version : Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape
Yazman
16th May 2009, 05:18
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2004/07/15/hersh/index.html?source=refresh
In light of recent talk about Abu Ghraib I thought this would be important for people to see, particularly given many of us don't seem to know about this.
After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said. Since then, the Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse.
Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it. The speech was first reported in a New York Sun story last week, which was in turn posted on Jim Romenesko's media blog, and now EdCone.com and other blogs are linking to the video. We transcribed the critical section here (it starts at about 1:31:00 into the ACLU video.) At the start of the transcript here, you can see how Hersh was struggling over what he should say:
"Debating about it, ummm ... Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."
Back when the news broke, I told people that there was most likely rape going on at Abu Graib, but that they wouldn't release the photos because it was going to blow the lid off the entire thing.
Those degenerates thought I was nuts.
Stranger Than Paradise
16th May 2009, 09:07
They need to be hung, drawn and quartered.
AvanteRedGarde
16th May 2009, 09:40
"No, they are members of the working class. They are class brothers and sisters of working Iraqis."
Do you see how ridiculous this sounds.
Here's a pretty fucking graphic video. It's called Fuck the Troops and was put out by RAIM-Denver (http://raimd.wordpress.com). The narrative of the video is a drunk troop laughing with his "buddies" (also "class brothers" I'm sure) about how "anyone with a towel on their head is fair game" and then talking about how someone in his squad/unit/whatever pimped out a 15 year old Iraqi virgin until she hung herself. Just typing this makes me want to cry.
Any any case, here is the link.
http://megavideo.com/?v=RXRB381M
Nakidana
16th May 2009, 10:23
It's just despicable how they decide to withhold material in order to "keep things calm". In reality they're just worried about their own asses.
Also funny how people won't take things seriously unless they've got it right in their face. We were told at the time that the pictures released were just the tip of the iceberg, but somehow people need to see it on tape to acknowledge it.
They're now trying to claim Iraq was a success. The mission to "end Saddam's torture" was accomplished and democracy installed.
Let Abu Ghraib be a monument to the contrary. To the lies and hypocrisy of Western imperialism.
"No, they are members of the working class. They are class brothers and sisters of working Iraqis."
Do you see how ridiculous this sounds.
Here's a pretty fucking graphic video. It's called Fuck the Troops and was put out by RAIM-Denver (http://raimd.wordpress.com (http://raimd.wordpress.com/)). The narrative of the video is a drunk troop laughing with his "buddies" (also "class brothers" I'm sure) about how "anyone with a towel on their head is fair game" and then talking about how someone in his squad/unit/whatever pimped out a 15 year old Iraqi virgin until she hung herself. Just typing this makes me want to cry.
Any any case, here is the link.
http://megavideo.com/?v=RXRB381M
Filthy racists. We had a small incident here where at least eight soldiers serving in Afghanistan (Here you can't be ordered to Afghanistan, you have to actually sign up to go there) turned out to be members of a very hateful anti-Muslim group on facebook. And these guys are supposed to be helping the locals? What a joke.
Chambered Word
16th May 2009, 10:34
"No, they are members of the working class. They are class brothers and sisters of working Iraqis."
Do you see how ridiculous this sounds.
Here's a pretty fucking graphic video. It's called Fuck the Troops and was put out by RAIM-Denver (http://raimd.wordpress.com). The narrative of the video is a drunk troop laughing with his "buddies" (also "class brothers" I'm sure) about how "anyone with a towel on their head is fair game" and then talking about how someone in his squad/unit/whatever pimped out a 15 year old Iraqi virgin until she hung herself. Just typing this makes me want to cry.
Any any case, here is the link.
http://megavideo.com/?v=RXRB381M
I feel you brah, the kind of people they send to Iraq are often disgusting. I've heard of street gang graffiti but I'm not really up to date on the kind of bullshit the US troops are spreading.
This is one army that needs purging, amirite?
hugsandmarxism
16th May 2009, 10:38
I shouldn't be surprised at all. But I am. This is absolutely revolting.
And that video that AvanteRedGarde posted was just fucking lovely. God fucking damnit.
:cursing:
Edit: Seriously. Pimping out a little girl? Throwing a puppy like a football for kicks? Raping little boys infront of their mothers? Part of me thinks we need to bring back burnings at the stake for these kinds of sadists.
Nakidana
16th May 2009, 10:46
I feel you brah, the kind of people they send to Iraq are often disgusting. I've heard of street gang graffiti but I'm not really up to date on the kind of bullshit the US troops are spreading.
This is one army that needs purging, amirite?
But Afghanistan is different case entirely, right? I mean there is no way this is going on in Afghanistan. And if it is then it's A-OK because the Taliban are just savage terrorists right?
Stranger Than Paradise
16th May 2009, 10:56
But Afghanistan is different case entirely, right? I mean there is no way this is going on in Afghanistan. And if it is then it's A-OK because the Taliban are just savage terrorists right?
Your joking right?
Nakidana
16th May 2009, 11:12
Your joking right?
I might be, but Comrade Lewis doesn't seem to be:
but I dare to say that Afghanistan is different. The Taliban, whom the coalition are currently trying to fight in Afghanistan, truly are terrorists. They wish to enforce their oppressive religious laws on innocent women and I would personally love to see them all hung by their own entrails. There are some nasty people who make it into the army, such as the Abu Ghraib torturers etc, but generally those in the military are quite decent people.
ÑóẊîöʼn
16th May 2009, 11:20
I wasn't previously aware that there were women and children held at Abu Ghraib. What the fuck, seriously.
Originally Posted by AvanteRedGarde http://www.revleft.org/vb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1445476#post1445476)
"No, they are members of the working class. They are class brothers and sisters of working Iraqis."Who on this website has actually claimed that such vile beasts are "class brothers and sisters of working Iraqis"? If somebody really has said something along those lines, then call them out on it. Your type of passive-aggressive bullshit helps nobody and serves no useful purpose.
The working class are not flawless saints, and such disgusting acts are not unique to soldiers of imperialist armies. Experiments (as well as real life experiences) have shown that being placed in positions of authority such as prison guards can bring forth sadistic tendencies, even if the people so placed do not usually display such behaviour. This does not of course absolve them of any responsibility, but it does show that there is more to such situations than simplistic rhetoric would lead one to believe.
But Afghanistan is different case entirely, right? I mean there is no way this is going on in Afghanistan. And if it is then it's A-OK because the Taliban are just savage terrorists right?
Absolutely! Our lads in the imperial mercenary army are totally decent kids--impeccable specimens of humanity and the poor, oppressed working class! Don't you know that national resistance is bourgeois and opposed to working class interests?
Come on, people, what sort of Marxists are you? Surely no one here listens to that old bat Marx when he slanders our brave lads like the traitorous, unpatriotic coward he is.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/09/16.htm
The first blow dealt to the French monarchy proceeded from the nobility, not from the peasants. The Indian revolt does not commence with the Ryots, tortured, dishonored and stripped naked by the British, but with the Sepoys, clad, fed, petted, fatted and pampered by them. To find parallels to the Sepoy atrocities, we need not, as some London papers pretend, fall back on the middle ages, not, even wander beyond the history of contemporary England. All we want is to study the first Chinese war, an event, so to say, of yesterday. The English soldiery then committed abominations for the mere fun of it; their passions being neither sanctified by religious fanaticism nor exacerbated by hatred against an overbearing and conquering race, nor provoked by the stern resistance of a heroic enemy. The violations of women, the spittings of children, the roastings of whole villages, were then mere wanton sports, not recorded by Mandarins, but by British officers themselves.
When I hear of such things I get revenge-fantasies. Public torture is correct against deserving people. I hope that gets realized some day.
Abu Ghraib is run by the CIA so we shouldn't be surprised, it is well known the CIA is run by former Nazi's both German Nazi's and US Nazi's that was part of Hitler's puppet Nazi party in the US during WWII. There is no difference between the CIA and the Schutzstaffel (SS), one just has to look at their handy work in Lain America and in Vietnam.
ÑóẊîöʼn
16th May 2009, 14:51
Abu Ghraib is run by the CIA so we shouldn't be surprised, it is well known the CIA is run by former Nazi's both German Nazi's and US Nazi's that was part of Hitler's puppet Nazi party in the US during WWII. There is no difference between the CIA and the Schutzstaffel (SS), one just has to look at their handy work in Lain America and in Vietnam.
Wouldn't any Nazis still living be pretty fucking old by now? It's not like they were particularly youthful when the Reich was still going strong.
Besides, it's not like the Americans need a bunch of old codgers from Germany to teach them anything about abusing people.
Rjevan
16th May 2009, 15:02
When I hear of such things I get revenge-fantasies.
This. I too wasn't aware that there were women and children held at Abu Ghraib and I shouldn't be shocked by this news, since I know what also happend there and how the Bush government and many people in the army worked and still work but nevertheless I am shocked and disgusted.
I feel nothing but hate and the urgent desire to repay these people from Abu Ghraib and the "funny guys" in AvanteRedGarde's video with interest and compound interest for what they've done. I wonder why this didn't cause a wave of demonstartions and violent protests in America. Obviously people see this just as a little shock that brightens up the lame news but not as something which is worth going to the streets for, demonstrating and forcing Bush or Obama to at least apologise (which would help nothing but would at least be some sign of guilt)... and this is sad.
Wouldn't any Nazis still living be pretty fucking old by now? It's not like they were particularly youthful when the Reich was still going strong.
Besides, it's not like the Americans need a bunch of old codgers from Germany to teach them anything about abusing people.
Many of the founders of the CIA were former spies for the German SS and members of the puppet Nazi parties in allied nations during WWII. Or to put another way most of the founders of the CIA was on the FBI's watch list for being at least sympathetic to the Nazi cause, some the FBI records state were outright spies for Hitler. If one views the founders of the CIA as Nazis then it is not that far of stretch to view the CIA now as Nazis as the heads of the CIA were thought by the same people the FBI reported were Nazis loyal to Hitler.
hugsandmarxism
16th May 2009, 15:56
I'm reading a book, Conquest: Sexual Violence and the American Indian Genocide by Andrea Smith, in which the author analizes the use of sexual violence as a tool of cultural genocide carried out by imperial powers. The idea is that if you make a people "rapable," you dehumanize them, and destroy their cultural identity. Rape is a tool of imperialsim; it has been for some time. This isn't the result of "a few bad apples" but the result of a system that makes it kocher to sodomize Iraqi boys, pimp young Iraqi girls, and generally use sexual violence to dehumanize those who are seen as culturally inferior by western imperial powers. Just as the Native Americans were made rapable to facilitate their destruction, just as African slaves were made rapable to ensure their submission, now the Iraqis are rapable, to facilitate western hegemony over their resources. This is an old game, and one that will continue to be played so long as Imperial Capitalism exists.
The fact that rape is happening at Abu Ghraib is not surprising in the least. However, Seymour Hersch is known for "blowing the lid off" things without being able to support what he's saying. So unless this can be independently verified, I don't think I'm going to believe it.
Killfacer
16th May 2009, 16:45
Many of the founders of the CIA were former spies for the German SS and members of the puppet Nazi parties in allied nations during WWII. Or to put another way most of the founders of the CIA was on the FBI's watch list for being at least sympathetic to the Nazi cause, some the FBI records state were outright spies for Hitler. If one views the founders of the CIA as Nazis then it is not that far of stretch to view the CIA now as Nazis as the heads of the CIA were thought by the same people the FBI reported were Nazis loyal to Hitler.
Yes and did you also know that Bruce Lee, Elvis Presley and Ghandi are living on an island in the sky?
OP: This is fucking vile, if it is true. Like KC i'm going to need a little bit more evidence before i can really comment.
Yes and did you also know that Bruce Lee, Elvis Presley and Ghandi are living on an island in the sky?
OP: This is fucking vile, if it is true. Like KC i'm going to need a little bit more evidence before i can really comment.
Well Allen Dulles worked with Nazi banks in the US in order to funnel money from Nazi owned assets in the US to Nazi Germany. This caused the FBI to label Allen Dulles as a double agent during WWII who's loyalty really lied with Nazi Germany. Hoover never trusted Allen Dulles even during the cold war which is why the FBI spend so much resources trying to infiltrate the CIA and turn it into a puppet of the FBI. Hoover even blamed Allen Dulles for the assassination of JFK as around the time of the assassination of JFK was also the peak of FBI infiltration into the CIA and Hoover saw the JFK assassination as blow back for the FBI's infiltration into the CIA (and saw Allen Dulles as still the dominant figure in the CIA even though he was no longer officially head of the CIA)
Agrippa
16th May 2009, 17:58
You know, as horrible as this is, it doesn't prove that US soldiers belong to a certain special class of "imperialist" people, but rather, that a large section of the population is comprised of fanatically racist sadists and rapists. I'm sure many members of the Taliban also sexually abuse children. But many members of the Taliban, at the same time, would kill anyone they caught molesting a child, and would suffer an extreme ethical crisis from witnessing their superiors sanctioning such behavior. U.S. soldiers are no different.
It's our job to recruit the U.S. soldiers, members of the Taliban, etc. who make the right decision when this ethical crisis emerges.
You know, as horrible as this is, it doesn't prove that US soldiers belong to a certain special class of "imperialist" people, but rather, that a large section of the population is comprised of fanatically racist sadists and rapists. I'm sure many members of the Taliban also sexually abuse children. But many members of the Taliban, at the same time, would kill anyone they caught molesting a child, and would suffer an extreme ethical crisis from witnessing their superiors sanctioning such behavior. U.S. soldiers are no different.
It's our job to recruit the U.S. soldiers, members of the Taliban, etc. who make the right decision when this ethical crisis emerges.
The problem is soldiers either have to follow orders or mutiny. In Vietnam US troops did eventually mutiny by killing officers they did not like, thia limits soldiers to violence regardless, if they want to follow orders they have to violent towards Iraqis and to resist orders that have to violent towards their officers (as they have to be willing to kill their officers).
#FF0000
16th May 2009, 21:04
The fact that rape is happening at Abu Ghraib is not surprising in the least. However, Seymour Hersch is known for "blowing the lid off" things without being able to support what he's saying. So unless this can be independently verified, I don't think I'm going to believe it.
Rape at Abu Gharib has been reported by other sources in the past.
Agrippa
16th May 2009, 21:09
Rape at Abu Gharib has been reported by other sources in the past.
Rape of men by men is a confirmed fact. At this stage, it's safe to sasy that rape of women by men is also confirmed. (although many among the right-wing try to dispute this) To my knowledge this is the only account of rape of children...
LeninBalls
16th May 2009, 21:19
Why the fuck are they even still there? Hasn't glorious OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM gotten the "mission accomplished bros" from Whitehouse Palace :confused:
Yazman
16th May 2009, 21:22
well, videos and pictures of rape and murder at abu ghraib are already documented and have been described by many officials before. This is also not to mention a lot of them have talked about stuff that hasn't been released to the public yet. Example
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/08/iraq/main616338.shtml
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., told reporters, "The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. we're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience." He did not elaborate.
Andropov
17th May 2009, 01:01
Truely disgusting.
Another shining example of what an occupation entails.
ÑóẊîöʼn
17th May 2009, 01:06
The problem is soldiers either have to follow orders or mutiny.
Don't you think the footsoldiers of the Taliban are in a similar situation? I hardly think your average warlord takes kindly to disobedience or "dereliction of duty".
el_chavista
17th May 2009, 03:03
Of course the CíA protected former gestapo and nazis agents, that's history!
And Bush's republican-mafia are the neofascists of the 21th century.
Bitter Ashes
17th May 2009, 04:28
"No, they are members of the working class. They are class brothers and sisters of working Iraqis."
Do you see how ridiculous this sounds.
You have a bad case of selective hearing. Why the fuck do you think that soldiers are so scared of the RMP and thier American counterparts? Has it ever crossed your mind that these bastards dont reserve this kind of treatment just for thier foreign prisoners? What do you think these people do to those they consider "traitors to the army"?
There's good soldiers out there and there's bad soldiers, most of these horror stories you'll hear are either extreamly isolated cases, or committed by the military police. Most of the army is a pretty normal cross section of nice guys and despicable assholes that you'll find in civilian life, except with the RMP who are filled with the scum that the civilian police wouldnt even tollerate in thier ranks. They almost got away with this because they chose to join the MP as thier army trade because this is one of the very few places in the "civilised" world, where they'll get pats on the shoulder from thier co-workers and bosses for this kind of behavior.
You can bet one thing though. You wont see any CO's higher than company level take the fall for this. As far as the goverment's concerned this is what the military police is for and they probably think they've done a good job and just need to put a few "expendables" in the chair to appease the public, while they sit in thier officers' messes smoking cigars with the President.
#FF0000
17th May 2009, 04:32
Rape of men by men is a confirmed fact. At this stage, it's safe to sasy that rape of women by men is also confirmed. (although many among the right-wing try to dispute this) To my knowledge this is the only account of rape of children...
The article links to two other articles on the subject of children being raped in Abu Gharib.
Andropov
17th May 2009, 15:08
You have a bad case of selective hearing. Why the fuck do you think that soldiers are so scared of the RMP and thier American counterparts? Has it ever crossed your mind that these bastards dont reserve this kind of treatment just for thier foreign prisoners? What do you think these people do to those they consider "traitors to the army"?
Link?
There's good soldiers out there and there's bad soldiers,
Anyone who willingly participates in the occupation of a country is not a "good soldier".
most of these horror stories you'll hear are either extreamly isolated cases,
Ohh please.
The BA are notorious for this.
Alot of people in Ireland still bare the scars of these "isolated cases".
The BA is generally accpeted as being pure filth outside of Britain.
or committed by the military police.
Ladies and gentlemen we have located the scapegoat.
Most of the army is a pretty normal cross section of nice guys and despicable assholes that you'll find in civilian life,
Judge people by their actions.
And their very action of being in Iraq or Afghanistan is despicable.
except with the RMP who are filled with the scum that the civilian police wouldnt even tollerate in thier ranks.
Scapegoat.
They almost got away with this because they chose to join the MP as thier army trade because this is one of the very few places in the "civilised" world, where they'll get pats on the shoulder from thier co-workers and bosses for this kind of behavior.
Pathetic.
The BA has been practicing this kind of behaviour for centuries.
Not just the MP.
Stop attempting to nail all the filth that army has committed for centuries onto the MP, its absurd.
You can bet one thing though. You wont see any CO's higher than company level take the fall for this.
Definetly.
Has any officers recieved a reprimand for Bloody Sunday yet?
No of course not because in the BA filth is generally welcomed with open arms, its usefull in brutalising a people.
The American army is no different.
As far as the goverment's concerned this is what the military police is for and they probably think they've done a good job
This is what an occupational army is for, not just the MP.
and just need to put a few "expendables" in the chair to appease the public, while they sit in thier officers' messes smoking cigars with the President.
Absolutely.
But that doesnt lessen the culpability of the average squaddie on the ground.
Don't you think the footsoldiers of the Taliban are in a similar situation? I hardly think your average warlord takes kindly to disobedience or "dereliction of duty".
Yes except the Taliban and warlords are two different fractions. The warlords are fighting to reintroduce the feudal mode of production to Afghanistan using the underground drug industry to achieve this goal. The Taliban is a moralist reactionary group that suppressed the warloards and their drug production prior to the US invasion and if they return to power they would do the same.
ÑóẊîöʼn
17th May 2009, 19:18
Yes except the Taliban and warlords are two different fractions. The warlords are fighting to reintroduce the feudal mode of production to Afghanistan using the underground drug industry to achieve this goal. The Taliban is a moralist reactionary group that suppressed the warloards and their drug production prior to the US invasion and if they return to power they would do the same.
Mea culpa. But I believe my point still stands.
Os Cangaceiros
18th May 2009, 05:52
I can't speak with any kind of authority one way or another about child rape at Abu Ghraib, but Hersh has since retracted that particular statement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#Speeches
Those who criticize Hersh's credibility especially point to allegations Hersh has made in public speeches and interviews, rather than in print. In an interview with New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_(magazine)) magazine, Hersh made a distinction between the standards of strict factual accuracy for his print reporting and the leeway he allows himself in speeches, in which he may talk informally about stories still being worked on or blur information to protect his sources. "Sometimes I change events, dates, and places in a certain way to protect people... I can’t fudge what I write. But I can certainly fudge what I say."[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#cite_note-metro-29)
Some of Hersh's speeches concerning the Iraq War have described violent incidents involving U.S. troops in Iraq. In July 2004, during the height of the Abu Ghraib scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_scandal), he alleged that American troops sexually assaulted young boys:
“Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children, in cases that have been recorded, the boys were sodomized, with the cameras rolling, and the worst above all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking. That your government has. They’re in total terror it’s going to come out.[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#cite_note-metro-29)”
In a subsequent interview with New York magazine, Hersh regretted that "I actually didn’t quite say what I wanted to say correctly...it wasn’t that inaccurate, but it was misstated. The next thing I know, it was all over the blogs. And I just realized then, the power of—and so you have to try and be more careful."[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#cite_note-metro-29)
In his book, Chain of Command, he wrote that one of the witness statements he had read described the rape of a boy by a foreign contract interpreter at Abu Ghraib, during which a woman took pictures.[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_Hersh#cite_note-metro-29)
That said, I wouldn't be suprised at all if it happened...attacking people through their loved ones has been a favorite tactic of torturers for thousands of years.
MikeSC
28th May 2009, 16:21
http://digg.com/d1sIPf
Sounds very similar to what Hersh said.
brigadista
28th May 2009, 17:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdnIjWlGILM
MikeSC
28th May 2009, 18:02
hdnIjWlGILM
I remember when I first came here I made some post about soldiers being working class youths led astray- seeing things like this, I can't believe how naive I was... Soldiering today is very different in nature to soldiering in the world wars and so on. That is disgusting, and it's plainly not just the odd individual bad egg.
Yazman
28th May 2009, 21:34
It turns out Hersh was correct.
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5395830/Abu-Ghraib-abuse-photos-show-rape.html
Snippet from source:
t least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.
Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.
Another apparently shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.
Detail of the content emerged from Major General Antonio Taguba, the former army officer who conducted an inquiry into the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq.
Allegations of rape and abuse were included in his 2004 report but the fact there were photographs was never revealed. He has now confirmed their existence in an interview with the Daily Telegraph.
...
Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: “I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.”
Fucking disgusting.
Guerrilla22
28th May 2009, 21:44
Apparently it has been confirmed that some of these photos show a US soldier raping a female prisoner. The photos are so graphic that Obama won't release them.
The Deepest Red
28th May 2009, 21:50
"I was just following orders" hasn't been a valid argument since the Nuremberg trials and the relative poverty of some in the West is no excuse for joining an imperialist army. These people are not 'workers in uniform' (there is no such thing, in my opinion). They are the agents of the ruling class and deserve no quarter for their hideous crimes. As for some of the suggestions for what should happen to sex offenders: get a life. What these people need is medical treatment.
black magick hustla
29th May 2009, 03:34
"No, they are members of the working class. They are class brothers and sisters of working Iraqis."
Do you see how ridiculous this sounds.
Here's a pretty fucking graphic video. It's called Fuck the Troops and was put out by RAIM-Denver (http://raimd.wordpress.com). The narrative of the video is a drunk troop laughing with his "buddies" (also "class brothers" I'm sure) about how "anyone with a towel on their head is fair game" and then talking about how someone in his squad/unit/whatever pimped out a 15 year old Iraqi virgin until she hung herself. Just typing this makes me want to cry.
Any any case, here is the link.
http://megavideo.com/?v=RXRB381M
African soldiers from nationalist murder gangs have quartered, raped, disembowed, made out of children sexual slaves, etc, and I stilll consider many of them "class brothers". But third worldists wont say this shit because they are completely ideologically bankrupt.
NecroCommie
29th May 2009, 16:11
There is no punishment hard enough for these racists! Slow death to them all!
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