Sunderland UAF flyers

[bellyscratch]

Just wondering what people think about the flyers our local group made in comparison to the national ones.

I'm fairly happy with them and think they're better than the other ones that have been floating about.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=330&pictureid=2670
http://www.revleft.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=330&pictureid=2669

[DreamWeaver]

Well where are they? I think you forgot to post them.

[Sean]

Vaguely related: Post Office row over BNP leaflets (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5329725/Post-Office-row-over-BNP-leaflets.html)

[ls]

Standard UAF pieces of paper. They all look the same to me to be brutally honest.

[Killfacer]

can i see a picture?

[bellyscratch]

They're in my post :confused:

Can nobody else see them?

[Sean]

I can.

[MilitantAnarchist]

yea i can, and i still say fuck uaf
ANTIFA all the way baby :lol:

[bellyscratch]

yea i can, and i still say fuck uaf
ANTIFA all the way baby :lol:

I don't support them uncritically, and I know the leaflets aren't perfect, but I think these are better than the other UAF stuff I've seen

[MilitantAnarchist]

I don't support them uncritically, and I know the leaflets aren't perfect, but I think these are better than the other UAF stuff I've seen
Yea i guess mate, but UAF are tossers. They collaborate with coppers, and i've even heard rumours of them dealing with fascists themselves...
I try to make my own leaflets and stick them on lamposts with the info you want on it and put the antifa website and logo on it so people can search it and get more info on militant antifascism.
Not telling you what to do, cos its got fuck all to do with me, i just see DIY as always the best way to go, anything that has dealings with the state is always dead end.

[Melbourne Lefty]

They collaborate with coppers


Bit deeper than that.

The UAF plan seems to be to make being anti-BNP the only true virtue, a virtue that even Tories can have!

If the sole object is to stop the BNP and this plan is working then fine.

But personally I feel, and from looking at BNP websites I can infer, that the thing the BNP is terrified of is UKIP.

Right now it looks like UKIP is being feverishly promoted by the media to stop the BNP.

If the BNP fails to win a euro seat, it wont be because of the UAF or even antifa, it will be because UKIP stole their protest vote thanks to the work of anti-BNP journalists and Gerry Gable [security services employee that he is] feeding any journalist who wants an anti-BNP story a nice diet of tid-bits.

[bellyscratch]

Bit deeper than that.

The UAF plan seems to be to make being anti-BNP the only true virtue, a virtue that even Tories can have!

If the sole object is to stop the BNP and this plan is working then fine.

But personally I feel, and from looking at BNP websites I can infer, that the thing the BNP is terrified of is UKIP.

Right now it looks like UKIP is being feverishly promoted by the media to stop the BNP.

If the BNP fails to win a euro seat, it wont be because of the UAF or even antifa, it will be because UKIP stole their protest vote thanks to the work of anti-BNP journalists and Gerry Gable [security services employee that he is] feeding any journalist who wants an anti-BNP story a nice diet of tid-bits.

I don't understand why they're afraid of UKIP, they're probably going to lose many of the seats they gained at the last euro elections, which I think will mostly go to the Tories and some to the BNP.

[bellyscratch]

Yea i guess mate, but UAF are tossers. They collaborate with coppers, and i've even heard rumours of them dealing with fascists themselves...
I try to make my own leaflets and stick them on lamposts with the info you want on it and put the antifa website and logo on it so people can search it and get more info on militant antifascism.
Not telling you what to do, cos its got fuck all to do with me, i just see DIY as always the best way to go, anything that has dealings with the state is always dead end.

Many people within the UAF are tossers, mostly the people higher up in the organisation. Ideally I would our local group to be disaffiliated from UAF and just be something like 'Sunderland Anti-Fascist Group', but I know I'd have a lot of trouble doing that and its pointless setting up another group imo.

I also don't think that Antifa can be that effective against the BNP, as they need to be stopped through voting as well direct action, due the BNP trying to act as a legitmate party. But I know you don't 'believe' in voting, so I don't expect you to agree with me.

[Hit The North]

Yea i guess mate, but UAF are tossers. They collaborate with coppers, and i've even heard rumours of them dealing with fascists themselves...


Of course, it must be true that the UAF do deals with fascist. That's why they call themselves Unite Against Fascism. They're obviously a front organisation for the BNP.

Fucking moron :rolleyes:

[Sam_b]

They collaborate with coppers, and i've even heard rumours of them dealing with fascists themselves...

You're just generally a tosser, aren't you?

RAH RAH FIGHT THE POWAAAAAAH THE MAN WON'T TELL ME WHAT TO FUCKING DO

[Holden Caulfield]

You're just generally a tosser, aren't you?

RAH RAH FIGHT THE POWAAAAAAH THE MAN WON'T TELL ME WHAT TO FUCKING DO

They do collaborate with the state though...

[Sam_b]

We've been through this before and I don't feel the need to cover it again.

[Hit The North]

They do collaborate with the state though...

Yeah but they don't pander to right-wing nationalism like SPEW and No2eu.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

"No matter what you think of the other parties the BNP are far worse" When was the last time the BNP invaded another country?

[SmashTheFash123]

To be fair though, it's not like they've had the opportunity. In their menifesto it says something about "inviting" Ireland to join the mainland. No doubt this "invitation" would be along the same lines as the "invitation" Hitler gave Austria to join Germany in 1938.

[teenagebricks]

"No matter what you think of the other parties the BNP are far worse" When was the last time the BNP invaded another country?
You think the BNP would hesitate for one second to take back the British Empire if they knew they could get away with it?

[Melbourne Lefty]

You think the BNP would hesitate for one second to take back the British Empire if they knew they could get away with it?


Nope.

But they are smart enough to know they cant.

[Sam_b]

When was the last time the BNP invaded another country?

Unlike these other parties, they haven't invaded another country because they haven't been in a position of power to. Yet.

[teenagebricks]

The BNP are far worse than any of the big three parties could ever dream of being, the fact that people fail to see this or for some reason deny it is exactly the reason why they are going to be laughing all the way to Strasbourg in this election.

[SmashTheFash123]

To be fair though, even if they do get elected to the European Parliament, it's not like they'll be taking over the British parliment anytime soon (which is what'd they need to do to implement their policies). There's something like 650 seats in the British parliament, and I just cannot see them ever winning the 350 or so seats they'd need to form a majority.

If they do get MEP's to the European Parliament though, they will enter the British parliament with some MP's- that will then only be a matter of time. But getting 350 seats? It's doubtful- remember areas that have a lot of minorities will make it harder for them to get elected.

Not saying it's impossible, or that we should be complacent, just be careful not to overestimate the threat. Unless they successfully carry out a coup I doubt they'll ever hold the reigns of power.

What is far more worrying is whether they can gain control of local councils. That is a distinct possibility if they get a decent number of MEP's, and of course with control of a council you can decide what to spend that areas money on (so basically they'd stop all funding in minority areas and generally be jackasses to any non-white people in the area).

I could see them running the Stoke council in the future at any rate.


Nope.

But they are smart enough to know they cant.

Wouldn't be too sure. They want to take back Ireland, and has Hitler has shown us, once fascists take one bit of land, they always want more. I can see it now- "We're going into Zimbarbwe to protect the people from a dictator". Then imagine how they would drum up wars againat Islamic countries on the basis of terrorism or some shit similar to what America has done. Then how about when the anti-Semites (99% of the leadership) attack Israel to finish off what Hitler started?

They probably would start some wars, but it doesn't really matter as they're not going to get into national power anyway. It's local level politics these bastards are a threat.

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

Thats the whole point the BNP are not in a position to do the things they spunk themselves over unlike the three main parties. Yes the BNP are twats and because there is a threat of them attacking left wing activists and shit stireing in the community they need to be opposed. But the BNP having really disgusting ambitions does not make them worse then a party which in reality kicks down doors and takes people away in the night. You could argue that the anti human envrio freaks are worse then the bnp and you would be wrong because even though the anti human envrio freaks may have even worse ambitions then griffins lot they will remain a bunch of internet freaks whilist the BNP has the potential to attack our meetings and comrades.

[burningbright]

I went along to the UAF launch meeting simply because I'd received 3 BNP flyers of the last couple of weeks and was unaware of any other Anti-facist activity taking place in Sunderland. I found pretty much what I expected, couple of students, some SWP members, trade unionists and some genuinely concerned residents. As someone who stood up to the NF and the BNP in Sunderland in the 80's I've followed their progress over the years but there seems to have been very little opposition to them on ground as it were.

Maybe I'm just out of touch or looking in the wrong places but nope no antifa where I live. I'm not affiliated to ANY group or a member of any party, just an ordinary housewife who is deeply commited to stopping the rise of the BNP. I don't subscribe to the UAF, I don't agree 100% with all their ideas but can't believe that people on the same side are criticising them for handing out leaflets and actually doing something.:)

I'm more than happy to stand alongside the members of UAF and any other organisation, even the N.A.N. are welcome to join the party, if it means making our presence felt, and I would love Antifa to come along because been threatened and intimated by Nutzies is a real pain and something I could honestly live without.

If anybody else is active they can count on my support, until then I'll help out the UAF regardless of all the bile because they are the only ones who seem to be out there actually doing it.

[bellyscratch]

I went along to the UAF launch meeting simply because I'd received 3 BNP flyers of the last couple of weeks and was unaware of any other Anti-facist activity taking place in Sunderland. I found pretty much what I expected, couple of students, some SWP members, trade unionists and some genuinely concerned residents. As someone who stood up to the NF and the BNP in Sunderland in the 80's I've followed their progress over the years but there seems to have been very little opposition to them on ground as it were.

Maybe I'm just out of touch or looking in the wrong places but nope no antifa where I live. I'm not affiliated to ANY group or a member of any party, just an ordinary housewife who is deeply commited to stopping the rise of the BNP. I don't subscribe to the UAF, I don't agree 100% with all their ideas but can't believe that people on the same side are criticising them for handing out leaflets and actually doing something.:)

I'm more than happy to stand alongside the members of UAF and any other organisation, even the N.A.N. are welcome to join the party, if it means making our presence felt, and I would love Antifa to come along because been threatened and intimated by Nutzies is a real pain and something I could honestly live without.

If anybody else is active they can count on my support, until then I'll help out the UAF regardless of all the bile because they are the only ones who seem to be out there actually doing it.

I was at the meeting too. I'm involved in UAF, but am pretty critical of them at the same time. Just doing the best I can in the conditions. I'd really like to have a local anti-fascist group that wasn't affiliated to UAF, but nothing's perfect.

On a slightly unrelated note. If you don't know about it already then there is a working class bookfair at Museum Vaults in Sunderland which you should get along to. more info here http://workingclassbookfair.vpweb.com/

[Melbourne Lefty]

I'd really like to have a local anti-fascist group that wasn't affiliated to UAF,


would it be possible to set one up? or would it simply be too much hassle?

[bellyscratch]

would it be possible to set one up? or would it simply be too much hassle?

I think it would be pointless really. The UAF group only got launched a couple of months ago and despite its faults, its been the most successful political group I've been involved with since I've lived in Sunderland (almost 3 years now), and I know other people who said that they haven't seen this much activity since the early 90s.

I think it would be more successful if the existing group wasn't affiliated with UAF, but if I wanted to push it, it could cause a split in the group and would make things worse.

There are other things that I want to be involved in too, so with the lack of political activity in Sunderland, there's no point in having another anti-fascist group just yet. Maybe in the future if things get worse and antifa style group might be useful though.

[Melbourne Lefty]

I think it would be more successful if the existing group wasn't affiliated with UAF, but if I wanted to push it, it could cause a split in the group and would make things worse.

If things are going well enough for you then its probably not worth it.