8 mile - eminem is a faggot.

[Commie Canuck 15]

Ya, this weekend i watched that gayass movie about eminem (i went cuz my chick made me). that guy is such loser. i bet all that movie was just a bunch of shite, thats why they changed his name in the movie, the best part was when those black dudes beat the shit outa him. to bad they didnt kill him.

[canikickit]

I presume the 15 is refering to your IQ, right?
The reason they changed his name is because it is a work of fiction.

[ComradeJunichi]

I presume the 15 is refering to your IQ, right?
The reason they changed his name is because it is a work of fiction.

Haha.

[munkey soup]

Wait, it's fiction? Fuck, I thought it was a documentary.

And why does everyone hate small bundles of sticks.

[Zippy]

Quote: from Commie Canuck 15 on 7:05 pm on Nov. 14, 2002
eminem is a faggot - i watched that gayass movie
Yeah, i agree, homophobia in pop music is awful.

Zippy.

[BOZG]

I don't think the movie is complete fiction. I think it is loosely based on his life but with added fictitious events.

As for your homophobia, it is not wanted here.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Commie Canuck 15 on 7:05 pm on Nov. 14, 2002
Ya, this weekend i watched that gayass movie about eminem (i went cuz my chick made me). that guy is such loser. i bet all that movie was just a bunch of shite, thats why they changed his name in the movie, the best part was when those black dudes beat the shit outa him. to bad they didnt kill him.


Watch it, or else Che-Lives newest moderator will come chasing after ya... :biggrin:

[Umoja]

I find it horribly offensive. I hate Eminem first, so you can base this on previous bias.

Two of the characters are supposedly white. Rabbit and Cheddar I think. They are also the main characters growing up in the Black Ghetto. Apparently, the point of the movie was succeeding in the Music industry and how hard it was. As a result this gets you out of the ghetto, but of course they decide that white people should be the ones escaping from the Black ghetto. How they can rise above the problems that the Black ghetto throws at them.

Also, lets think about the end. One of the white actors is in a freestyle battle or something with a Black actor. He calls him out as a sell-out because of his suburban upbrining. So all rap has got to be from the ghetto apparently and isn't related to race? I personally viewed it as an attack on Black music, a blatant white wash based on the white dream of calling a Black person out as an Uncle Tom because of their suburban upbringing, since Blacks like me are supposed to be poor and living in the ghetto, we lose all that makes us Black when we live in the suburbs. The white community has us figured out perfectly. I'm glad Eminem took part in proving that.

[socialist ballistix]

umoja, if you really want rap to advance as an art form you shouldn't limit it to race, nationality, upbringing or anything. Base it on skillz. Rap has never been about race. It is predominantly black because it was started by us and then we turned ourselves into a demographic for corporate shit mongers.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from socialist ballistix on 1:49 am on Nov. 16, 2002
umoja, if you really want rap to advance as an art form you shouldn't limit it to race, nationality, upbringing or anything. Base it on skillz. Rap has never been about race. It is predominantly black because it was started by us and then we turned ourselves into a demographic for corporate shit mongers.

whoa we didn't turn into shit. The problem is though that when ever we as a people create music and culture it's taken away

jazz-gone
rock and roll-gone

and those are only two examples

There is alot of good hip hop still out there only it's underground or concious..ie good.

If you haven't heard of these artist i suggest you do

THe Roots
Mos Def
Talib Kweli
Dialated peoples
Jurassic Five

among others

[socialist ballistix]

hey man im not sayin all black people or"Black music" is shit. jurassic five, mos def and the roots are my personaol favorites out of those five. Especially Jurassic5. I have heard of and own music by all of them by the way. Im just saying that rap as an art form can't be confined to race or anything else. plus, not all "black' musci has been taken away. Jazz is stuill great.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from socialist ballistix on 2:22 am on Nov. 16, 2002
hey man im not sayin all black people or"Black music" is shit. jurassic five, mos def and the roots are my personaol favorites out of those five. Especially Jurassic5. I have heard of and own music by all of them by the way. Im just saying that rap as an art form can't be confined to race or anything else. plus, not all "black' musci has been taken away. Jazz is stuill great.

so you are telling me that soulive (as much as I love them) are as good as Dizzie and Miles?

I don't want hip hp to be confined but the hip hop culture has been skewed by the media and isn't what it used to be and it pisses me the fuck off

[El Brujo]

Whoa, calm down brother. I agree Eminem is a twat but you could put it in more intelligent terms. Though I know the word "fag" isn't necesarily homophobic or anti-gay, its hard to tell in which way your using it so it may offend people.

[Spiritual Minded]

I haven't seen the movie but I feel Umoja has some good points. Still, Hiphop is not a completly Black thing. A lot of the elements can be traced back to culture of people with African descent, but it was born in the ghettos of New York. The majority might have been blacks but I think other "races" like latinos and whites did contributions too in the early stage of Hiphop? Hiphop is about struggles, "race" & CLASS. I don't think suburban blacks have more "right" to the culture than white ghetto youth.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Spiritual Minded on 6:35 am on Nov. 16, 2002
I haven't seen the movie but I feel Umoja has some good points. Still, Hiphop is not a completly Black thing. A lot of the elements can be traced back to culture of people with African descent, but it was born in the ghettos of New York. The majority might have been blacks but I think other "races" like latinos and whites did contributions too in the early stage of Hiphop? Hiphop is about struggles, "race" & CLASS. I don't think suburban blacks have more "right" to the culture than white ghetto youth.

what white ghettos? The only white ghettos are in Europe mainly in Germany where Jews used to live during the WWII era.

Most poor whites live in slums or trailer parks.

Hip Hop originated in the south bronx, which was prodominately black and hispanic

I'm not saying white people weren't included but it was very rare.

[Umoja]

And I'm not saying that they shouldn't be included in Rap, but they shouldn't prove in a Movie that it's restricted to class, because that is my view of a white capitalist fantasy. Grabbing onto a good idea of Black origin, and then using it to make tons of money. I'm not saying Black rappers are any better, but Uncle Toms are a helluva a lot better then wannabe white boys who hang around blacks to prove that they are so gansta.

Where I went to High School, their was an Italian guy, who thought because he hung around mostly Black guys that it gave him to the right to throw nigga this, and nigga that around. It pissed me off, but I couldn't beat the guy in a fight, and his friends were pretty much much to good house negros to say anything about it.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Umoja on 4:50 pm on Nov. 16, 2002
And I'm not saying that they shouldn't be included in Rap, but they shouldn't prove in a Movie that it's restricted to class, because that is my view of a white capitalist fantasy. Grabbing onto a good idea of Black origin, and then using it to make tons of money. I'm not saying Black rappers are any better, but Uncle Toms are a helluva a lot better then wannabe white boys who hang around blacks to prove that they are so gansta.

Where I went to High School, their was an Italian guy, who thought because he hung around mostly Black guys that it gave him to the right to throw nigga this, and nigga that around. It pissed me off, but I couldn't beat the guy in a fight, and his friends were pretty much much to good house negros to say anything about it.

finally a man who can understand where I'm coming from...good post kid

[Spiritual Minded]

Um those jewish ghettos don't exist anymore... but there are ghettos in Europe, yeah... anyway, that was not my point... like you said the ghettos in New York is prodominately black... but like hispanics made great contributions to breakdance... and there was a minority of other "races" too in those ghettos...

Umoja,
Like i said, i agree with you on that. The scene you described was absurb, when the black kid was booed out cuz he's suburbian... that's wack...

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Spiritual Minded on 7:05 pm on Nov. 16, 2002
Um those jewish ghettos don't exist anymore... but there are ghettos in Europe, yeah... anyway, that was not my point... like you said the ghettos in New York is prodominately black... but like hispanics made great contributions to breakdance... and there was a minority of other "races" too in those ghettos...

Umoja,
Like i said, i agree with you on that. The scene you described was absurb, when the black kid was booed out cuz he's suburbian... that's wack...

yeah break dancincg was pioneered by alot of Hispanics
that and tagging were really the only ones were they were on level with black participation

As far as the suburban kids...they have no street cred...is this right hell nah. Though I mean if you think about it Shady wasn't even from Detroit he's from Warren.
Though I mean now everyone and their mother can get on MTV or BET if they are Flossin

But I've noticed alot of suburban black kids in white suburbs are self hating, stereotyping their own race and being racist towards blacks in general not all are but I've met alot.

[Twistedsoul]

my only interest in the movie is ceeing eminem get his ass kicked, but thers no way im wasit $10 on it


as for the whole ghetto thing, blacks and so on, i cant reall comment becasue my town has a total of like 10 black people and ther is no ghetto really, but there are alot of wiggers around here who think there all that becasue they lsiten to rap so they act like gangsters. pisses me off, because the only lyical context they talk a bout is how they want to live in a ghetto and drugs, money and girls


help me im surouded by morons

(Edited by Twistedsoul at 3:18 am on Nov. 17, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Twistedsoul on 3:16 am on Nov. 17, 2002
my only interest in the movie is ceeing eminem get his ass kicked, but thers no way im wasit $10 on it


as for the whole ghetto thing, blacks and so on, i cant reall comment becasue my town has a total of like 10 black people and ther is no ghetto really, but there are alot of wiggers around here who think there all that becasue they lsiten to rap so they act like gangsters. pisses me off, because the only lyical context they talk a bout is how they want to live in a ghetto and drugs, money and girls


help me im surouded by morons

(Edited by Twistedsoul at 3:18 am on Nov. 17, 2002)


It's a shame people in your town don't listen to underground hip hop

[Palmares]

Eninem is a good lyricist, but he is a homofobe. His songs are too boppy, he needs some help.

[Disfigured]

i hate eminem and all other rappers and i hate the thought of seeing 8 mile and those who did see it, i feel sorry for you

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Disfigured on 12:28 am on Nov. 19, 2002
i hate eminem and all other rappers and i hate the thought of seeing 8 mile and those who did see it, i feel sorry for you

It's a shame that you are so prejudice against people and a style of music you know little if anything about.

Just because what is on MTV and BET sucks doesn't mean all Hip Hop is bad...people like you make me sick for prejudgeing things

[MegatroN]

But that's just it: what's on MTV and BET is NOT hip-hop in any sense. It doesn't retain or promote hip hop culture. It's just all about money, sex, drugs, and bling. As a fan of hip hop, ie: The Roots, Mos Def, Tribe Called Quest, Talib Kweli, Black Star, Blackalicious, Souls of Mischief, I despise anything that would attempt to call itself hip hop, when the content is purely a no talent MC talkin about how big his fuckin "dubs" are.

Here are the facts: In order to be hip hop, it must contain the basic 4 elements: B-boying (presently called breakdancing, which is also something the record industry made up) graffiti writing (expression of ART on different plaforms, not your lil highschool thugs battling for names on a bathroom wall) MCing, and DJing.

An example: Dilated Peoples: Iris Science and Evidence (the two MCs) are also graffitti writers and somewhat b-boys (which also includes popping/locking, other forms of street dancing). They have an ACTIVE DJ in their group, he's not just a stage prop. His name is DJ Babu, and he's got talent, unlike P-diddy's seceratary's kid, who you see pushing buttons on 1200s and scratching in his headphones whenever p-diddy is on tv.

So aside from the incoherent rambling (sorry, I'm defensive about music I like) the purpose of this post was to state the facts as well as several opinions: Eminem is a good battle MC, but that's it. He is NOT a representation of Hip Hop. Personally, I think it's one HUGE facade. The record company used him as pre-packaged teen angst, a way to connect with today's "urban" culture, predominantely white kids decked out in Sean John and Roca Wear. Jazz and hip hop were once genuine, but once those god damn record companys sink their claws into an artist, they drain him of whatever original or sometimes intellectual style he had, and their content is replaced by pre-written lyrics about nothing more than *****es and hoes. Ever since rap became such a popular genre of music, real hip hop has gone through several other names such as Indy Hip HOp, Underground Hip Hop, and the most appaling of all....Smart Rap. Hopefully, I shed some light on Hip Hop, but I'm pretty sure all I did was confuse.

Decepticons GO!!!!

(Edited by MegatroN at 5:46 am on Nov. 19, 2002)

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from MegatroN on 5:44 am on Nov. 19, 2002
But that's just it: what's on MTV and BET is NOT hip-hop in any sense. It doesn't retain or promote hip hop culture. It's just all about money, sex, drugs, and bling. As a fan of hip hop, ie: The Roots, Mos Def, Tribe Called Quest, Talib Kweli, Black Star, Blackalicious, Souls of Mischief, I despise anything that would attempt to call itself hip hop, when the content is purely a no talent MC talkin about how big his fuckin "dubs" are.

Here are the facts: In order to be hip hop, it must contain the basic 4 elements: B-boying (presently called breakdancing, which is also something the record industry made up) graffiti writing (expression of ART on different plaforms, not your lil highschool thugs battling for names on a bathroom wall) MCing, and DJing.

An example: Dilated Peoples: Iris Science and Evidence (the two MCs) are also graffitti writers and somewhat b-boys (which also includes popping/locking, other forms of street dancing). They have an ACTIVE DJ in their group, he's not just a stage prop. His name is DJ Babu, and he's got talent, unlike P-diddy's seceratary's kid, who you see pushing buttons on 1200s and scratching in his headphones whenever p-diddy is on tv.

So aside from the incoherent rambling (sorry, I'm defensive about music I like) the purpose of this post was to state the facts as well as several opinions: Eminem is a good battle MC, but that's it. He is NOT a representation of Hip Hop. Personally, I think it's one HUGE facade. The record company used him as pre-packaged teen angst, a way to connect with today's "urban" culture, predominantely white kids decked out in Sean John and Roca Wear. Jazz and hip hop were once genuine, but once those god damn record companys sink their claws into an artist, they drain him of whatever original or sometimes intellectual style he had, and their content is replaced by pre-written lyrics about nothing more than *****es and hoes. Ever since rap became such a popular genre of music, real hip hop has gone through several other names such as Indy Hip HOp, Underground Hip Hop, and the most appaling of all....Smart Rap. Hopefully, I shed some light on Hip Hop, but I'm pretty sure all I did was confuse.

Decepticons GO!!!!

(Edited by MegatroN at 5:46 am on Nov. 19, 2002)


I know about the hip hop culture I plan to be a DJ (when i can afford the fuckin tables) hell I even have a speech on the progression of hip hop

And I know about Dialated peoples I'm listening to Expansion Team right now. PLus Babu is probablly my favorite DJ.

And I agree with everything you said.

[MegatroN]

That's good, I admire that you want to be a DJ, 'cause I'm an aspiring musician too. Yeah, decks are reaaaal expensive. I got a pair of vestax pdt 5000's a couple years ago, and lately I've just been all over them. Save up for the best decks, it'll be even more rewarding.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from MegatroN on 5:13 am on Nov. 20, 2002
That's good, I admire that you want to be a DJ, 'cause I'm an aspiring musician too. Yeah, decks are reaaaal expensive. I got a pair of vestax pdt 5000's a couple years ago, and lately I've just been all over them. Save up for the best decks, it'll be even more rewarding.

I'ma try and get some vestax...if Babu can use them so can I

but I would like some technic 1200s...all I need is a job

[MegatroN]

Hehe, amen to that. I need a job so I can buy more records.

[Spartacus2002]

Hip hop sucks.... Punk is the best.

[MegatroN]

Are you trying to rile things up, or are you just looking for attention? Whatever, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

[Xvall]

LMAO. Here I am trying to win the class struggle; and some of you people have nothing better to oppose than Hip Hop? Pathetic.

(P.S - Rap is good.)

[MegatroN]

I won't even get started...

[Dan Majerle]

I can't stress this enough! Rap died after 2pac, Snoop and even Warren G. Commerical rap sucks and groups like the Roots and A Tribe Called Quest are decent but nothing like a Doggystyle album or an All Eyez on Me album. Those two are infallible.

[Spartacus2002]

How come i cant have the opinion that rap sucks... thats my choice. you can like it thats fine, but i dont. how come people nowadays are so censored by political correctness its sick.

[MegatroN]

What does saying rap sucks have anything to do with political correctness? Yeah rap sucks, but hip hop is supreme.

[Umoja]

The reason we are censored by political correcteness is the same reason we are censored by laws, censored by money, and an amount of other things. You have to be un-PC at the right moments to make a change. Sure Rap and Hip-hop can suck, and Punk can suck, but it's a personal attack at a person grounded in your opinion, which can offend people greater then political theory.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Dan Majerle on 3:38 pm on Nov. 22, 2002
I can't stress this enough! Rap died after 2pac, Snoop and even Warren G. Commerical rap sucks and groups like the Roots and A Tribe Called Quest are decent but nothing like a Doggystyle album or an All Eyez on Me album. Those two are infallible.


You do realize that Tribe was out before Tupac and Snoop? And in my opinion Pac was overrateed he was a better poet.

Spartacus no one said you cant dislike something but why do all you guys who love punk come to these threads and start trouble?

You never see us go into punk threads and dispunks. Hell all those guys who love metal make threads, I can't stand metal but I don't go into their threads and start talkin shit. We just wanted a conversation on hip hop, why you gotta start shit?

PS: Has anyone else noticed that 2Pac has released more albums after he died then when he was alive? And he didn't like to be in the studio alot so I'm thinking he is alive.

[critter]

eminem is an overrated performer. his selling feature is his distinction of being white in a black music scene. dr.dre is the only reason he is a big star - i agree with him being a big bag of shite

[Lefty]

8 mile was a well acted movie, and eminem is talented. I thought the final scene was really cool, and the fact that he defended the gay guy in the lunch cart battle scene redeemed himself in my eyes. I think he has realized he was wrong in his homophobia.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Lefty on 8:26 am on Nov. 24, 2002
8 mile was a well acted movie, and eminem is talented. I thought the final scene was really cool, and the fact that he defended the gay guy in the lunch cart battle scene redeemed himself in my eyes. I think he has realized he was wrong in his homophobia.

He didn't do it to redeem himself alot of the script was written without his input

[hXcPetey]

eminem is a popculture whore

[peaccenicked]

This from a catholic rag.
http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives...202/112202l.htm (http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/112202/112202l.htm)

[Lardlad95]

I finally saw 8 mile and I loved it...even my dad liked it

it wasn't ad people don't down eminem for his popularity

[BasementAddix]

lard?...underground fan?...i dj most underground music...im kinda surprised to find a fan here...keep it up!!!...

[abstractmentality]

BasementAddix: you will find many underground fans here. for instance, you have me. enjoy your stay here.

(Edited by abstractmentality at 12:52 am on Dec. 4, 2002)

[BasementAddix]

i just noticed your platform avi...nice

[Spiritual Minded]

are you refering to Kweli when you say "underground"?!

[BasementAddix]

kweli is one...yes...he isnt so much anymore...but he used to be...same with dilated...and mos def...they arent "mainstream" or "pop"...thats basically what i consider underground...i also listen to others....sage...cage...people to that nature...

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from BasementAddix on 7:21 am on Dec. 5, 2002
kweli is one...yes...he isnt so much anymore...but he used to be...same with dilated...and mos def...they arent "mainstream" or "pop"...thats basically what i consider underground...i also listen to others....sage...cage...people to that nature...

yeah I'm an underground fan..I plan to Dj..when I can afford the equipment