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Sprocket Hole
13th May 2009, 04:07
This is something that has been in the back of my mind for a while now. This query is directed at Marxist-Lenninist's.

If I am not not mistaking, wasn't Lenin's theory a sort of tweaked version marxism for the backwards conditions of Russia?

If so, wouldn't that kind of make Leninism a sort of outdated ideology? At least for those subscribing to that strand in industrially advanced countries?

manic expression
13th May 2009, 04:13
Lenin composed his theories for the purposes of revolution in the imperialist epoch, not specifically for Russia, and he definitely held that his ideas could be applied in industrially advanced countries. In fact, he saw Bolshevism as the answer for revolutionary movements in western Europe, as evidenced by his clear statements on this in "Left-Wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder", as well as the way the Third International (including communist parties in Germany, France, the US, etc.) was structured.

LOLseph Stalin
13th May 2009, 04:16
If I am not not mistaking, wasn't Lenin's theory a sort of tweaked version marxism for the backwards conditions of Russia?


One of Lenin's main theories, vanguardism could work in any revolutionary condition. It's just about a group of revolutionaries educating the workers and getting their support. I don't see how that wouldn't be effective in other countries as well.

Marx22
13th May 2009, 07:40
Lenin expanded/elaborated Marx's thinking into a imperialist society and came up with his own theories based on Marx/Engels workings, one of them being vanguardism as InsertNameHere pointed out and a mass workers movement. While it is true that he based his ideas off of the conditions in Russia but he did not apply it as just a national ideology or a just for Russia way of thinking; his theories apply internationally. "Foundations of Leninism" you should check out.

I'm sure there is a ton of topics about Leninism in this section as well.

Black Sheep
13th May 2009, 10:01
This is something that has been in the back of my mind for a while now. This query is directed at Marxist-Lenninist's.

If I am not not mistaking, wasn't Lenin's theory a sort of tweaked version marxism for the backwards conditions of Russia?

If so, wouldn't that kind of make Leninism a sort of outdated ideology? At least for those subscribing to that strand in industrially advanced countries?
Trotskyists plz correct me if i m wrong.
You must speak of Trotsky's permanent revolution, which trotskyists claim that Lenin advocated in the end.

It says that in a poorly advanced capitalist country, the workers with the poor peasants can actually perform the socialist revolution, without the capitalist phase having to be established first.
It is not outdated,it can be applied to many not 1st world countries today.

Sadly,most antirevisionist parties (i sincerely do not know why), had a tactic in fascist/poorly advanced capitalist states, of not to radicalize the workers' movement into revolution, because 'capitalism hadn't fully developed yet'.

I suspect fucking dialectics.