how to defend the left from capitalist attacks

[yeahhhman]

attacks ranging from the typical insult that it never would work because of human nature
to obama is a commie, to anything else that is "bad" about the left.

how would one be able to defend the left? what arguments and reasons would be used?

[Lynx]

Please read some of the sticky threads.

[mikelepore]

To say socialism "would never work" (because of human nature, etc.) is something like saying that a clock would never work because the gears are assembled incorrectly. It's true that there are many ways to assemble a clock incorrectly, and then it won't work. So, just recommend that it should not be put together in one of those ways that you believe wouldn't work. Suggest that it be put together in a way that you believe will work right. Similarly, if someone says that there is some particular feature or characteristic in the way socialism might be constructed that would make it not work, that's no argument against socialism at all. If you feel that way, then simply recommend that socialism not be given that particular feature, that it be given some different feature or form. Realizing that, now we can easily see -- the problem isn't determining _whether_ socialism would work. The real problem is that we are seeking to understand _what it would take_ to make it work. After a specific design for socialism does eventually get agreed upon, implemented, and debugged and readjusted as often as necessary, it will finally be the most advanced type of human civilization, and the most just and efficient, that the world as ever known.

[Dejavu]

attacks ranging from the typical insult that it never would work because of human nature
to obama is a commie, to anything else that is "bad" about the left.

how would one be able to defend the left? what arguments and reasons would be used?


Did you ask him what he meant by that? Could he further explain himself or was he just being rude? How did the convo start?

If he honestly thinks Obama is a commie then he is basically regurgitating what he heard on the radio or some conservative network.

You should not have to respond to someone like that if they don't give you a reasoned argument. The 'because of human nature' argument without any reasoning behind is does not even deserve a proper response.

[scarletghoul]

Its notable that human nature has been behind every socialist revolution. It is human nature to want justice and freedom and equality

Anyway yeah if someone thinks Obama is a socialist just ask them what is socialist about him, then explain how that's not socialism.

[Dejavu]

Its notable that human nature has been behind every socialist revolution. It is human nature to want justice and freedom and equality

Anyway yeah if someone thinks Obama is a socialist just ask them what is socialist about him, then explain how that's not socialism.

This can be true of any revolution. If a substantial amount of influential people in society are not happy with current conditions they typically act to change them. It also seems a characteristic of ours to have radically different interpretations of the meanings behind justice ,freedom , and equality.

I would say only reply to the person if they give you a reasoned argument and if they are willing to change their mind through the same reasoning. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.

[el_chavista]

attacks ranging from the typical insult that it never would work because of human nature
to obama is a commie, to anything else that is "bad" about the left.

how would one be able to defend the left? what arguments and reasons would be used?
There is an economical crisis going on out there. It is time for us to attack the privileged elites that rule the world for their sole profit. There is nothing we got to defend from, we and the people are the heroes, the capitalists are the culprits!