Communist Manifesto, Ten Point Program

[Idealism]

In the communist manifesto, there is the ten point program for transition to communism; Marx and Engels both later expressed that this was dated; my question is: If that is true, is the "Principals of Communism" also dated?
Also: If the Communist Manifesto is "dated" in parts, is it still worth reading for its ideas? (as opposed to reading it for its historical context)

[Rusty Shackleford]

when i first read it, it felt VERY applicable to the current state of things. then again, it was my first time reading it. The manifesto for being written in 1848 is DEFINITELY worth reading.

The principles of communism like the Communist Manifesto are 19th centruy texts but they are still applicable. The reference to serfdom in Russia, Hungary and so on, and slavery in the Southern US are examples for readers fo the time. but if you know history, it helps to prove the point.

The ideas can be applied for contemporary use imo because they(Marx&Engels) made it generalized and also somewhat malleable to interpretation. if it was too exact, then how could it be used to unite the workers of the world against the bourgeoisie?

Take a religious text for example, even though it isnt right, people still abide by it for some reason. and the american constitution etc.

Also, the 10 points in the Communist Manifesto doesnt cover anything that we do not have now. 6 "Centralization of the means of Communication and Transport in the hands of the State"
Communication and transport are broad enough to include paper notes to the internet, or a train to a jet liner.

[Tower of Bebel]

The manifesto is dated? Well yes and no. It's outdated because the ideas of Marx and Engels kept on evolving. It's not outdated because most tendencies written in the manifesto are still true.

[Die Neue Zeit]

In the communist manifesto, there is the ten point program for transition to communism; Marx and Engels both later expressed that this was dated; my question is: If that is true, is the "Principals of Communism" also dated?
Also: If the Communist Manifesto is "dated" in parts, is it still worth reading for its ideas? (as opposed to reading it for its historical context)

The first six demands and the tenth one can be fulfilled under capitalism:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/classical-economic-rent-t103272/index.html

So in terms of a "really transitional" program, try this:

1) Eliminating information asymmetry by first means of establishing full, comprehensible, and participatory transparency in all governmental, commercial, and other related affairs;
2) Matching the globalized mobility of labour with the unconditional establishment of equal rights for everyone and real freedom of movement through instant legalization and open borders, thereby precluding the extreme exploitation of immigrants;
3) Abolishing all public debts outright, suppressing excessive capital mobility associated with capital flights, ending the viability of imperialist conflicts and not just wars as vehicles for capital accumulation, and precluding all predatory financial practices towards the working class – all by first means of monopolizing all central, commercial, and consumer credit in the hands of a single transnational bank under absolute public ownership;
4) Applying not some but all economic rent beyond that of land towards exclusively public purposes;
5) Establishing an equal obligation on all able-bodied individuals to perform socially necessary labour, be it manual or mental; and
6) Extending litigation rights to include class-action lawsuits and speedy judgements against all non-workers who appropriate surplus value atop any economic rent applied towards exclusively public purposes.

[ZeroNowhere]

"History has proved us wrong, and all who thought like us. It has made it clear that the state of economic development on the Continent at that time was not, by a long way, ripe for the elimination of capitalist production; it has proved this by the economic revolution which, since 1848, has seized the whole of the Continent, and has caused big industry to take real root in France, Austria, Hungary, Poland and, recently, in Russia, while it has made Germany positively an industrial country of the first rank — all on a capitalist basis, which in the year 1848, therefore, still had a great capacity for expansion. But it is precisely this industrial revolution which has everywhere produced clarity in class relations, has removed a number of intermediate forms handed down from the period of manufacture and in Eastern Europe even from guild handicraft, has created a genuine bourgeois and a genuine large-scale industrial proletariat and has pushed them into the foreground of social development."
The lack of development at the time means that some of the PoC is outdated (as it had to be adapted to the lack of development).


Also: If the Communist Manifesto is "dated" in parts, is it still worth reading for its ideas? (as opposed to reading it for its historical context)
Yeah, sure.