Neo-yippieism.

[New Yippie Nation]

NYN is a new movement towards a better future for all who want to find peace and balance in this corp-control and corruption filled world.

If you would like to help start up the website please email me your suggestions at [email protected]

We deserve better then what we have. NYN are not discriminatory
and will not judge anyone unless they have wronged us.

[Catbus]

Does Neo-yippieism have anything to do with socialism? Or are you just welfare cappies?

[Code]

They're semi-militant/semi-peaceful street theater "revolutionists"

Their philosophy's anarcho-commie

At least that's if they take after the YIPPIEs of the 60s like me

[Pogue]

Seems a bit unimaginative to just put neo in front of a movement from 30 years ago and start a new in my opinion...

[Killfacer]

Seems a bit unimaginative to just put neo in front of a movement from 30 years ago and start a new in my opinion...

:laugh: So true, so true.

[Decolonize The Left]

NYN is a new movement towards a better future for all who want to find peace and balance in this corp-control and corruption filled world.

If you would like to help start up the website please email me your suggestions at [email protected]

We deserve better then what we have. NYN are not discriminatory
and will not judge anyone unless they have wronged us.

How is the NYN different from any other anarchist-communist organization? If it isn't, why make a new one?

- August

[Prairie Fire]

Okay,

1. Yippies are not (and were not) a "nation" by any stretch of the term.
If you claim you are being non-literal, well then the question becomes why do you use words to describe yourself that don't apply?

2.Yippies were petty-bourgeois jack offs in the 60's, who disoriented the revolutionary forces and hampered any steps towards actual emancipation.

As I can see no new program advanced by this "Neo-yippie nation", I can only conclude that they are taking up the mantle and legacy of being disorienting petty bourgeois jack-offs.

3.
...for all who want to find peace and balance...

I don't want "Balance", and neither do any of the other revolutionary forces; we want all power to the working class, and nothing less.

While we do want 'peace' in as far as it pertains to an end to imperialist wars, we don't want the kind of 'peace' that you are pushing, which is a euphemism for not actually hampering the bourgeois agenda, or seizing power from the exploiters.

The "peace and balance" that you are pushing is class conciliation, and we wil have none of it.

4.
...in this corp-control ...

So if all exploiters were non-corporate "mom and pop" exploiters, then this world would be better? If exploitation and wage slavery were non-incorporated, it would be just?

Fixation on big monopoly capitalism, while ignoring the vices of capitalism itself, is a tactic of petty-bourgeois ideologues, which not only acquits capitalism itself as being the root of the probelm, but also smacks of disdain for large scale production in general.

5.
...and corruption filled world.

So the system is not inherently exploitive, anachronistic and un-just, it is simply corrupted.

Capitalism could function, if there weren't so many bad people in it. :rolleyes:

6.
They're semi-militant/semi-peaceful street theater "revolutionists"

I'm glad that you put "revolutionist" in quotation marks, because there is absolutely nothing inherently revolutionary about street theatre, and there is even less that is revolutionary about the yippies( they advocated the disarmament of all peoples, regardless of class. This reflects that they place equal blame on the working masses for violence and killing.)

Street theatre is, at best, a mode of political agitation, generally incomprehensible to working people or anyone not allready familiar with and immersed in that particular struggle.

The Yippies, on the other hand, largely used it as an alternative to agitation, an alternative to organizing, and basically an alternative to any sort of display of revolutionary politics that yeilded tangible results.

There is nothing "militant" about street theatre; it is feel-good crap for petty-bourgeois utopians.

7.
Their philosophy's anarcho-commie

There is nothing "commie" about their philosophy, and it is a travesty to the workers movement that their flag includes the red star.

The original yippies had no organization, no formal membership, and they never really opposed the bourgeois state, just advocated reforms and a more "streamlined government".

Their "anti-war" positions manifest themselves as pure class conciliation, as they reject revolutionary warfare as a means of seizing power by the working class, as well as seem to place equal blame on the working class for state violence (Advocating disarment of all peoples, etc).

The yippies were not communistic, nor were they even remotely a positive influence on the American left movement, no matter how trumped up their involvment in the anti-Vietnam war movement is.

The Yippies were liberal jack-offs without class analysis,who advocated class conciliation and pacifying drug use.

I wouldn't be so quick to embrace their politics, or lack there-of.

[Code]

2.Yippies were petty-bourgeois jack offs in the 60's, who disoriented the revolutionary forces and hampered any steps towards actual emancipation.

As I can see no new program advanced by this "Neo-yippie nation", I can only conclude that they are taking up the mantle and legacy of being disorienting petty bourgeois jack


There is nothing "commie" about their philosophy, and it is a travesty to the workers movement that their flag includes the red star.

I wouldn't be so quick to embrace their politics, or lack there-of.

First off I can't see in any way from the times I've read abbie's and rubin's books and watched/read yippie speaches how they were beorguise!

Second, they advocated communism and if you'd ever seen any speeches by rubin you would see they know what they're talking about!!

And lastly maybe YOU shouldn't be so fucking quick to discard and insult their group without even really knowing anything about them!!!

[DIzzIE]

Before I start, I feel an important distinction should be made: the difference between misinformation and disinformation. Misinformation is the accidental propagation of an untruth. If I heard someone say that, say, the sky is orange, and I go around saying that the sky is orange without actually bothering to look up at the sky, then I am spreading misinformation. On the other hand, if I am fully aware of the fact that the sky is not orange, and yet I go around saying that the sky is orange, then I am intentionally propagating an untruth; in other words I am spreading disinformation.

Now, the reason I bring this up is that it is abundantly clear to me that Prairie Fire is propagating untruths (lies, if you prefer), as will be shown below. The only question that should be kept in mind is whether or not z is spreading misinformation or disinformation.

Okay,

1.
1. Yippies are not (and were not) a "nation" by any stretch of the term.

Are you familiar with the term 'Woodstock Nation'?

If not, here's a sampler, I've even taken the liberty of placing the relevant content in bold to make it easy for you:



THE WITNESS: I live in Woodstock Nation.

MR. WEINGLASS: Will you tell the Court and jury where it is?

THE WITNESS: Yes. It is a nation of alienated young people. We carry it around with us as a state of mind in the same way as the Sioux Indians carried the Sioux nation around with them. It is a nation dedicated to cooperation versus competition, to the idea that people should have better means of exchange than property or money, that there should be some other basis for human interaction. It is a nation dedicated to--

THE COURT: Just where it is, that is all.

THE WITNESS: It is in my mind and in the minds of my brothers and sisters. It does not consist of property or material but, rather, of ideas and certain values. We believe in a society--

(that's from the Chicago Seven trial, with the witness being Abbie Hoffman. Oh btw, he talks about the yippies quite a bit in it too. Should you actually want to read it and, oh I don't know, maybe actually learn about something instead of running your mouth and spreading lies about it, you can find it here (http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/FTrials/Chicago7/Hoffman.html).

2.
.Yippies were petty-bourgeois jack offs in the 60's

An apparent attempt at an ad-hominem attack, entirely inappropriate if your aim is to have a discussion. I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to please behave yourself if the former is indeed your aim. On the other hand if your intention is to simply fling slurs, do let me know, as rest assured that I would be all too glad to reciprocate in kind.

3.
The "peace and balance" that you are pushing is class conciliation, and we wil have none of it.

Now this is quite peculiar indeed, namely seeing as how New Yippie Action did not expound upon zir meaning of these terms; and yet you have already apparently not only assumed a particular meaning, but have also grafted it upon New Yippie Nation. So I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist that you present some citable evidence that would substantiate your claim.

4.
So if all exploiters were non-corporate "mom and pop" exploiters, then this world would be better? If exploitation and wage slavery were non-incorporated, it would be just?

Fixation on big monopoly capitalism, while ignoring the vices of capitalism itself, is a tactic of petty-bourgeois ideologues, which not only acquits capitalism itself as being the root of the probelm, but also smacks of disdain for large scale production in general.

Here I am entirely in agreement with you. Indeed, I would go further and and trouble the entire statement made by New Yippie Nation: "a better future for all who want to find peace and balance in this corp-control and corruption filled world", specifically the use of the preposition 'in' seems to imply some sort of tepid reformism. Though I'm willing to grant New Yippie Nation the benefit of the doubt and assume that this was just a verbal slight on zir part, as seeing as how zir post was just one sentence this perhaps leaves zir too open to uncanny extrapolation which would not be warranted had further details been provided.

5.
So the system is not inherently exploitive, anachronistic and un-just, it is simply corrupted.

Capitalism could function, if there weren't so many bad people in it. :rolleyes:

Same as 4.

6.
they advocated the disarmament of all peoples

Really, where? Again, please provide evidence to back your claims. If you're referring to the 'yippie demands', then you seem to have quite conveniently left out the second portion of the statement, or the disclaimer at its outset, which seems to be quite a disingenuous move on your part...almost as if you were intentionally skewing someone's words.

Meanwhile, I suggest you take a look at the Fight (http://www.tenant.net/Community/steal/steal.html#3.00.0) section of Steal This Book, specifically the Piece Now (http://www.tenant.net/Community/steal/steal.html#3.10.0) subsection...which goes into great length about arms, and thus seemingly contradicts your claim.


7.
they never really opposed the bourgeois state, just advocated reforms and a more "streamlined government".

To basically echo Code's reply: most everything I have read by and about yippies (with the obvious exception of ignorant misconceptions such as yours) would seemingly contradict this claim, so where exactly did you cull this "streamlined government" quotation from? Or is that just a figment of your own invention, as is the rest of your irreverent screed?

In the meantime, here's a quote from Imagine Nation that would again seemingly contradict your claims, and once again I've bolded the relevant bits so you don't miss them:


Yippie! was the vehicle used by Rubin to propound his ideas about revolution as a form of play. Since "[e]verything the yippies do is aimed at three-to-seven year old," Rubin's first axiom is that the revolution must be "fun"--"Yippies say if it's not fun, don't do it"--to which he adds, "The yippie idea of fun is overthrowing the government."

(the Rubin quote itself is from Rubin's book DO IT!: Scenarios of the Revolution).


Now then, any other untruths you care to try posting?

[Code]

Thank you muchly dizzie :thumbup1:

[a-dog]

I know a bit about the Yippies but I dont know alot about them. From what i've seen of them and read of them I agreed with what they believed in. Abbie Hoffman is truly a smart man and I have seen many of his videos and read some of his books.

[redarmyfaction38]

I know a bit about the Yippies but I dont know alot about them. From what i've seen of them and read of them I agreed with what they believed in. Abbie Hoffman is truly a smart man and I have seen many of his videos and read some of his books.

watched the film "don't buy this video steal it".
abbie hoffman, an admirable human being, but "faulted" just like the rest of us.
get the picture?
having been alive in the 1960s and 70s, i have this memory, yippies was a distinction the capitalists thrust upon the likes of abbie to differentiate and seperate them from the generally "non violent" "hippy" movement.
it was a bullshit distinction, abbie and his mates were active opponents to capitalism, prepared to defend themselves in the face of state aggression, the hippy movement was about passive resistance, peace and love, rejection of material goods in favour of good intentions and fucking each other senseless, drugs were good, capitalism was bad.....but not an economic or political thought amongst them, not any kind of programme for self emancipation of the working class through their own actions.
in fact, it was a totally liberal bourgouise ideology.
individual freedom under a capitalist economic and political ideology.
i really don't need to tell you how much bullshit that is.
on a kind of side line, it is worth noting, how many past hippies are now multi national capitalists, richard branson, poor under priveliged kiddie, dad gave him £hundreds of thousands and he worked himsrlf up to a £millionaire!

[a-dog]

Well i own Steal this book and have seen Steal this movie and enjoyed both very much. I agreed much what Abbie has to say in Steal this Book.

[New Yippie Nation]

I want to thank all of you that posted on this topic of discussion. I want to give a special thanks to Dizzie for defending this topic.

There are a bunch of "organization" with thousands of people who are trying to make a difference, but we are still seeing the same problems that we had in the 60's.

To parafrase Abbie Hoffman "the left does nothing but perpetually masterbate in useless peaceful marches" (I cant remember the exact quote.

The NYN is trying to make a difference, except we have very limited resources and low membership.

The NYN philosophy is still going under change and any HELPFUL ideas would be greatly appreciated. We are Anarcho-Communists by the way.

The government today really doesn't understand what is happening to the world. They use ignorance and propaganda to control the streams of information.

[Agrippa]

I am thakfully not an expert on this particular period of "important" "revolutionary" "history", (that's triple-scare quotes!) however, in Pacifism as Pathology, prof. Churchill quotes Abbie Hoffman as saying "I won't allow myself to be a good Jew, marching to the ovens", or something along those lines - in reference to the pacifistic strategies the German Jewish leadership which aided the efficient slaughter that was the Holocaust.

And in "Steal This Book", the only Hoffman text I've had the misfortune to read, is filled with inflammatory incitements to violence.

So Prairie Fire, I agree with you adamantly that yippies were "Yippies were petty-bourgeois jack offs [...] who disoriented the revolutionary forces and hampered any steps towards actual emancipation", and "liberal jack-offs without class analysis,who advocated class conciliation and pacifying drug use."

And I agree with you that "Street theatre is, at best, a mode of political agitation, generally incomprehensible to working people or anyone not allready familiar with and immersed in that particular struggle."

And you are 100% correct and saying that "While we do want 'peace' in as far as it pertains to an end to imperialist wars, we don't want the kind of 'peace' that you are pushing, which is a euphemism for not actually hampering the bourgeois agenda, or seizing power from the exploiters", and in describing Social Democratic opponents of gun control as advocating 'the disarmament of all peoples " and "place equal blame on the working class for state violence".

However, to my knowlege, that's not something Hoffman at least is guilty of. Perhaps, in your perfectly understandable disgust for the Yippies, you are conflating the contradictory positions of two seperate Yippies.

If anything, Hoffman existed on the other side of the bourgeois pacifist coin - a middle-class activist "rebel" who made inflammatory public incitements to violence as part of an egotistical, macho spectacle, without actually willing to take any of the personal sacrifices it would require to confront the state in a truly militant way. Much like many of today's "insurrectionary anarchists"

All that needs to be said about the Yippies is that they (along with Black Panther Party vanguardist Bobby Seale) tried to form a revolutionary coalition with John Lennon of all people. And arch-yest Jerry Rubin traded New Left pseudo-radicalism and pseudo-counter-culturalism for EST/PST New Age psychobable cultism - because the two are virtually oneand the same.....

[Code]

Well as you said You don't know about them

[DIzzIE]

Another day, and more lies about the yippies are being posted...


yippies was a distinction the capitalists thrust upon the likes of abbie to differentiate and seperate them from the generally "non violent" "hippy" movement.

Gosh, really? What about...


The Yippies (Youth International Party) was a name I invented on December 31, 1967 at a meeting to plan a counter-convention at the Democratic convention in Chicago in August 1968, at the height of the Vietnam War. Yippie signified a phenomenon that already existed: an organic coalition of political activists and stoned hippies who indulged in a cross-fertilization of values at civil rights demonstrations and antiwar protests. They saw the connection between busting kids for smoking a weed in America and burning kids to death with napalm on the other side of the globe, understanding that those events were linearly-connected dehumanization extended to its ultimate extension. A Yippie was a hippie who got hit on the head by a cop with a billy club. (Source (http://eatthestate.org/13-11/OverachievingDudeInterview.htm)).


One thing that I was very particular about was that we didn't have any concept of leadership involved. There was a feeling of young people that they didn't want to listen to leaders. We had to create a kind of situation in which people would be allowed to participate and become in a real sense their own leaders.

I think it was then after this that Paul Krassner said the word "YIPPIE," and we felt that that expressed in a kind of slogan and advertising sense the spirit that we wanted to put forth in Chicago, and we adopted that as our password, really. . . .

Anita [Hoffman] said that "Yippie" would be understood by our generation, that straight newspapers like the New York Times and the U.S. Government and the courts and everything wouldn't take it seriously unless it had a formal name, so she came up with the name: "Youth International Party." She said we could play a lot of jokes on the concept of "party" because everybody would think that we were this huge international conspiracy, but that in actuality we were a party that you had fun at. (Source (http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/FTrials/Chicago7/Hoffman.html))



individual freedom under a capitalist economic and political ideology.

This little witticism and pretty much everything else you said save for the fact that Abbie was indeed human like all of us, is as wrong as that first quote of yours, but I've already addressed this in my earlier reply to Prairie Fire.



I am thakfully not an expert on this particular period of "important" "revolutionary" "history", (that's triple-scare quotes!) however, in Pacifism as Pathology, prof. Churchill quotes Abbie Hoffman as saying "I won't allow myself to be a good Jew, marching to the ovens", or something along those lines - in reference to the pacifistic strategies the German Jewish leadership which aided the efficient slaughter that was the Holocaust.

And in "Steal This Book", the only Hoffman text I've had the misfortune to read, is filled with inflammatory incitements to violence.

So Prairie Fire, I agree with you adamantly that yippies were "Yippies were petty-bourgeois jack offs [...] who disoriented the revolutionary forces and hampered any steps towards actual emancipation", and "liberal jack-offs without class analysis,who advocated class conciliation and pacifying drug use."

And I agree with you that "Street theatre is, at best, a mode of political agitation, generally incomprehensible to working people or anyone not allready familiar with and immersed in that particular struggle."

And you are 100% correct and saying that "While we do want 'peace' in as far as it pertains to an end to imperialist wars, we don't want the kind of 'peace' that you are pushing, which is a euphemism for not actually hampering the bourgeois agenda, or seizing power from the exploiters", and in describing Social Democratic opponents of gun control as advocating 'the disarmament of all peoples " and "place equal blame on the working class for state violence".

However, to my knowlege, that's not something Hoffman at least is guilty of. Perhaps, in your perfectly understandable disgust for the Yippies, you are conflating the contradictory positions of two seperate Yippies.

If anything, Hoffman existed on the other side of the bourgeois pacifist coin - a middle-class activist "rebel" who made inflammatory public incitements to violence as part of an egotistical, macho spectacle, without actually willing to take any of the personal sacrifices it would require to confront the state in a truly militant way. Much like many of today's "insurrectionary anarchists"

All that needs to be said about the Yippies is that they (along with Black Panther Party vanguardist Bobby Seale) tried to form a revolutionary coalition with John Lennon of all people. And arch-yest Jerry Rubin traded New Left pseudo-radicalism and pseudo-counter-culturalism for EST/PST New Age psychobable cultism - because the two are virtually oneand the same.....

Golly gosh, that's an awful lot of agreement coming from someone who admittedly said that z doesn't know fuck all about the group that the comments one is agreeing to are about...so it's no surprise that you don't provide any of the evidence I asked for in my reply to Prairie Dog's post; just blind irrational agreement in the face of contrasting facts.

And btw, Steal This Book was likely a cumulative effort written by scores of yippies who sent in contributions, it was merely plastered with Abbie's name to bank on his popularity, so don't be too quick to attribute everything in it to Abbie. Indeed, if you actually even just skim the 'aiding & abetting' section of STB you'll see a disparate list of apparently male and female names...which might trouble your 'macho' attribution just a wee bit, oops!

If you actually care, which it's obvious that you don't, but maybe someone else does, check out Izak Haber's article "An Amerikan Dream: A True Yippie's Sentimental Education Or How Abbie Hoffman Won My Heart & Stole ]Steal This Book'" which appeared in the July 1971 issue of the OZ zine (no. 36), and then in the September 30, 1971 issue of Rolling Stone. Further evidence for the collaborative yippie nature of STB is evinced in ads in papers like The Statesman (vol. 13, no. 5, Monday, April 20, 1970), which are basically call-outs for contributions.

It seems that the only oppositions to the yippies in this thread have been made based on ignorance and untruths...which is unfortunate because there's certainly plenty to critique without needing to resort to lies; but neither is there a need to dismiss a whole movement based on outright lies about them.

[Agrippa]

I freely and happily admitted by ignorance of Yippies. This lack of learning is not out of carelessness but deliberation. I have learned enough to draw a conclusion and the rest would be dull, pointless trivia that would merely take up valuable space in my brain.

As I've said, I've read Steal This Book, which gave me more of an insight into Hoffman's psychotic mind. (and, if your claims of collaborative authorshop are true, the psychotic minds of several other "yippies") I have also seen the embarassing footage of Rubin, Seale, and Lennon on an American talk show participating in one of their stupid "revolutionary" mass-media spectacles.

What I know about the Yippies is enough: They were an even more pathetic, derranged, and unserious attempt at anti-imperialist action by Euro-American youth than the Weather Underground and the Symbionese Liberation Army combined, which is saying quite a bit!

[Code]

I freely and happily admitted by ignorance of Yippies. This lack of learning is not out of carelessness but deliberation. I have learned enough to draw a conclusion and the rest would be dull, pointless trivia that would merely take up valuable space in my brain.

As I've said, I've read Steal This Book, which gave me more of an insight into Hoffman's psychotic mind. (and, if your claims of collaborative authorshop are true, the psychotic minds of several other "yippies") I have also seen the embarassing footage of Rubin, Seale, and Lennon on an American talk show participating in one of their stupid "revolutionary" mass-media spectacles.

What I know about the Yippies is enough: They were an even more pathetic, derranged, and unserious attempt at anti-imperialist action by Euro-American youth than the Weather Underground and the Symbionese Liberation Army combined, which is saying quite a bit!

So let me summerize your post:

"I know nothing about the yippies exept for Hoffman's steal this book yet I somehow magically know their every intention, act, and seriousness. I also think that anyone using the media to try to fuel a revolution is somehow anti-revolutionary. In addition to this, I think that reading one small book gives me total insure into a ideology and therefor no1 should ever read more then one book by any authur or any two authors in the same group."

Is that about what your saying?
If so then by that logic anyone who scans over property is theft by prouhdon know everything about anarchism, right?

[Agrippa]

"I know nothing about the yippies exept for Hoffman's steal this book

Steal This Book is the only Yippie text, but I know plenty of shit about the Yippies from other historical sources, from political groups of the time that were actually constructive and accomplished things....


I also think that anyone using the media to try to fuel a revolution is somehow anti-revolutionary.

Somehow I doubt the Yippies originated the concept of exploiting or taking advantage of capitalist media. (Which isn't exactly an ideal sitation anywahy. Better in the long-term for us to create our own media....)


If so then by that logic anyone who scans over property is theft by prouhdon know everything about anarchism, right?

"Anarchism" is a much more interesting and useful intellectual canon than "yippie-ism", whatever that is....

[Code]

Steal This Book is the only Yippie text

Do it! (jerry rubin)
Revolution for the hell of it (hoffman)
We are everywhere (rubin)
Woodstock nation (Hoffman)
Who the hell Is stew albert? (stew albert)
Yipster times

Need any more??

[Pogue]

I'm sorry but its a dead movement. It came at a particular time, during the 60s, when there was alot of disenfranchisment with traditional leftist arenas of labour activism/workers struggles. It was a periods of drugs being discovered big time and festivals like Woodstock. And out of this the Yippies were formed. At the time, they were radical and subversive and fun. That period ended, Abbie sadly pass away, Jerry sold out absolutely fucking completely, more than anyone else in history possibly, the Vietnam war eventually ended, etc. The movement died, it was a movement for its time - Yippie, Hippie. It was a movement for specific people - those student types who found traiditional workers struggles dull and so moved out into social activism. Grats to them for ditching the USSR and what not, but it essentially became a social club for young hipster types who wanted to fight the war and a bit of capitalism. It was never dangerous to capitalism, it was like a protest party, a prolonged fun event. Sure, its fun, it can get some stuff done but it doesn't end capitalism.

Trying to ressurect it is silly, in my opinion. As I said, it ended. It was suited to its times. I can see it being a desperate attempt to re-create the attitudes and atmosphere of a period 40 years ago. You can't do it, its not worth the time and it just looks a bit sad. Woodstock has been absorbed into the capitalist spectacle, weed is now used by loads of people and its not really exciting, and hippies just tend to be old retro types who turn up on the odd CND demo. By all means create a fun vibrant youth subculture with radical politics but don't make it so student orientated, so out-dated, so detached from the real revolutionar workers movement.

This is like me creating a group aiming to re-create the events of May 68 in France. I'd love to live through that but I recognise it was a workers uprising, the beginnings of a revolution, that failed. I'm not stuck in nostalgia for the fun of movement from the past that happened and ended - instead I seek to learn from the past, take inspriation from it, sure (I take alot of inspiration from the events of Paris 68, definatly) but don't try to re-live it, try to make similar things happen and succeed, (i.e. full revolution, worldwide) and move on.

The Yippie movement was what it was, essentially a bunch of wicked dedicated characters form Universities and social movements who wanted to do alot of fun shit. They did this and no doubt it was cool and some things were acheived but it ended. Just look at Rubin. Prime example - the fun dies out for the student radicals, and as Sartre said, the go onto high paid jobs somewhere, like Rubin. The workers stay workers (although I disagree with Satre's citing the police as being the workers who remained workers). We can't rely on these social movements to subvert capitalism alone, we need to build up resistance within the working class in a revolutionary movement that goes beyond the limits of a few kids smoking weed and running a pig in the elections - such things today would seem cliched and desperate and would ultimately fail.

[Code]

Depressed I admit defeat. :(. But ONLY to this last post.
But I still stand by defence of the yippies and uphold their veiws and hopefully their tactics (expanded and addapted of course)

[Pogue]

Depressed I admit defeat. :(. But ONLY to this last post.
But I still stand by defence of the yuppies and uphold their veiws and hopefully their tactics (expanded and addapted of course)

Yuppies? Don't you mean Yippies? :p They have very different meanings...

So what do you defend about them and why? Genuine question, I am interested.

[Code]

Yuppies? Don't you mean Yippies? :p They have very different meanings...

So what do you defend about them and why? Genuine question, I am interested.

F*ckin Itouch browser auto-correct! lol

And I admire them because of their determination, their guts, their world capturing and creative protests/demos, and their ideology (they have and ideology of their own believe it or not)
Their are some things I don't agree with them on but Abbie Hoffmans is among my most reveired people. :cool: Thnx for the question.

take a look at these;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSNH4IcI7aY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58U8QSO0bto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnFu_DJZSv8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhDoP2z8QfU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPRO5Lyjbz4

[gorillafuck]

Wasn't Jerry Rubin one of their most prominent "members"?

Because that guy is an asshole.

[Code]

Wasn't Jerry Rubin one of their most prominent "members"?

Because that guy is an asshole.

and everything about your profile is pretty showing that you're an asshole!

anyways, in what way was he an asshole exactly? (excluding after the movement)