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baboons
7th May 2009, 17:58
dear friends,

here is a state in India , which has been ruled by both left and right ideologies. say the most important place for any communist in the world, KERALA. lets go a bit further , its ruled by communist state government. chief minister is more close to the ideological communism. but he can not rule...can not make decision which will help and make the party more convincing just because of the communist secretary who is more in to practicality of communism..means doing anything to keep the communism running ,means making allies with religious groups and scandalous opportunists... IT IS PATHETIC. comrades , share your thoughts....

SocialismOrBarbarism
7th May 2009, 19:24
So I was reading the programme of the CPI(M), and it was pretty good until I saw this:


The socialist countries China, Vietnam, Cuba, Korea and Laos, faced with adverse conditions created by the change in the correlation of forces are steadfastly committed to the cause of socialism.

STJ
7th May 2009, 19:41
Sounds like the American Communist Party. The joke they are.

Comrade Marxist Bro
7th May 2009, 21:06
There are the Maoist rebels, aren't there? Were they outside of the Communist parties? I remember hearing about that in 2007, but I know totally nothing about them past that.

But yeah, Kerala is a sad place of opportunism. There was a story very recently about the peasants being forced off their land by the "Communist" government seeking to invest in large-scale development projects funded by capitalist money, which is far closer to cretinism than to communism.

SocialismOrBarbarism
7th May 2009, 23:33
There are the Maoist rebels, aren't there? Were they outside of the Communist parties? I remember hearing about that in 2007, but I know totally nothing about them past that.

But yeah, Kerala is a sad place of opportunism. There was a story very recently about the peasants being forced off their land by the "Communist" government seeking to invest in large-scale development projects funded by capitalist money, which is far closer to cretinism than to communism.

Well, Kerala has the best living standards of any state in India, and capitalist development has to happen somehow.

Comrade Marxist Bro
8th May 2009, 02:01
Well, Kerala has the best living standards of any state in India, and capitalist development has to happen somehow.

By getting poor peasants off their land? Against their own will?

SocialismOrBarbarism
8th May 2009, 02:04
By getting poor peasants off their land? Against their own will?

How exactly did it happen?

Comrade Marxist Bro
8th May 2009, 02:12
I should say that I'm not deeply familiar with the specifics, being American and not Keralan, but there was an in-depth news feature about the evictions (I think it was Al-Jazeera), which somebody uploaded to YouTube a while ago. There was a ton of protesters during the affair, and the authorities resorted to a crackdown with force.

I can't post links as I'm a relatively new guy, but the address for the petition against the government is here:

http : // www . foodsov . org / html / petition02. php

This is one bit of it:



More than 4000 peasant families as well as agricultural labourers, unregistered sharecroppers, cottage industry workers and local small business people are living under the threat of imminent eviction from their 1253 acres of land and their livelihood is endangered with this move of the West Bengal government.

The State has ordered the peasants to immediately stop sowing rice and to accept the State's decision of farmland acquisition and the following eviction. The government plans to acquire land through the Land Acquisition Act, then would be leased /sold out to Tata Motors, a giant Indian corporation, at a subsidised rate through the West Bengal Industrial Development Corporation.

The selected land for acquisition is a fertile multi-cropping agricultural land. Its lush and multi-crop land yields 8,000 to 9,000 tons of rice, wheat, vegetables and jute per year. The decision of the State Government to acquire this land surprised the peasants and many other Civil Society activists as Tata could easily be set up in other locations in the state where adequate non agricultural land are available.

The Chief Minister offered the Tatas unarable land in West Medinipur for setting up the manufacturing unit, but the latter preferred this agricultural land and the supposedly pro-people Left Front government in order to oblige the influential multinational company surrendered meekly to this compulsion. Besides this, the acquisition of such a huge land area signifies that the Tata may turn these lands into a 'Real Estate' venture in the near future like the other Indian companies did.

Moreover, no adequate compensation or rehabilitation package has been offered to the affected. Only one time monetary compensation is promised, which the peasants think is way below the market price. No economic rehabilitation is offered to 20,000 peasants whose livelihoods would be directly affected, neither any compensation is offered to those agricultural labourers, sharecroppers and others who depend on these lands indirectly and would also be deprived of their livelihoods.

himalayanspirit
8th May 2009, 21:39
The Maoists of India are more communist than the CPI(M). There seems to be a lack of employment opportunities in Kerela because of which many of the people from that state go to the Middle East to earn some bucks.

pratheesh
13th January 2010, 20:51
Though the thread is a bit older [by an year], I guess I have to intervene to explain the position of the ruling-left in my state [whom I support].

1. The Chief Minister [CM] of Kerala, infamous for his opportunistic behaviours had often tarnished the image of Communist party in Kerala. Though he is celebrated as a "real communist icon" by the right-media and the apolitical youth, in real most of his hyped actions never materialized [For eg: he forgot his fight against Endosulfan (an insecticide, please read the wiki article) after taking over the CM's office], and the media put the whole blame on party. By mid 2009, he was demoted to Central Committee of CPI(M), from the Politburo after the investigations against him proved his indisciplinary actions. Interestingly, CM now works in tandem with the party and have added to the image of the party in the by-elections which held in November 2009 [Even though we lost the elections, as they were the sitting seats of the opposition, we managed to increase our vote share]

2. The Lavalin issue, is a political plot [by the capitalists who is ruling the central government] against the state secretary of CPI(M), is a weapon against the party by the right-media. I don't think I should go into the minute details of it [which I can do on demand], but said as someone above me had mentioned about it. The present state secretary is a strong person who hails from a socially-economically backward family, and have already proven his efficiency as a secretary.

3. The displacement of peasants and labourers for industrial development happened in West Bengal - another stronghold of mainstream left in India - and I personally condemn that act.

4. The Kerala model of development [http ://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Kerala_model ] was the result of the Communist governments during its initial stages and was widely appreciated all over the world.

chegitz guevara
15th January 2010, 04:59
This is one bit of it:

You are aware that West Bengal is on the other side of India from Kerala, and that the two states have different "races" and different languages, as well as different communist parties.

pranabjyoti
15th January 2010, 05:39
You are aware that West Bengal is on the other side of India from Kerala, and that the two states have different "races" and different languages, as well as different communist parties.
No, being from the state of West Bengal, I want to inform you and all others that though West Bengal and Kerela are two different states with different languages, but the ruling "communist(!)" parties are the same. In both the states, the Left Democratic Front, made up of CPI(M), CPI, RSP, Forward Block and some other little parties are the ruling group.

ls
15th January 2010, 06:35
A lot of people don't realise that officialist "communist" parties "rule" loads of places. Funny how comes people on this forum don't go on about how southern Cyprus is "socialist" for instance as they are doing with these Indian provinces? You might as well stop pretending to be a communist really, why not call Sweden "socialist" while you're at it too (some people have done/still do on this forum :rolleyes:).


ruling-left in my state [whom I support].