How people in your country react whel you tell them that you're a commie?

[Describer]

Here in Ukraine its mostly like this -

Apathetic and non-aligned people -
Hm, really? Nice, I hope this will bring you some money or other benefits from either party or important people who share your beliefs.:confused:

Right-wing -
You're full of lies, you know that there's no internationalism ever existed, you're just trying to find excuses for hidden egomania.:cursing:
You're just pro-Russian, anti-Ukrainian separatist swine surely poisoned by presence of Jewish blood somewhere in your ancestry.:cursing:

Left-wing -
Wow, how come you're not Christian? :scared:But CPU's policy is to make peace with orthdox Christians of Moscow Patriarchate after years of wrong-doings and mistakes, so I guess you'll need to at least pretend that you respect Easter and all other Orthodox holidays.
Wow, you're really feel comfortable around gays, lesbians, prostitutes, satanists, punks, goths and other degenerated people? :scared: But even in Soviet times these things were condemned, how can you expect their rehabilitation now - it would certainly damage our electoral gains with elderly people.

[Dóchas]

Apathetic - WTF!!! whats wrong with you?

Right-wing - WTF!!! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU!!!????

Left-Wing - nothing (no lefties around me :()

[Invincible Summer]

Apathetic - Why?! The Soviet Union is gone and it was a bad place yknow! Do you support the NDP (social democratic national party)?

Right-Wing - Communism can never work and you are just a totalitarian wannabe you hippy piece of shit!

Left-wing - Blahblahblah LENIN blahblahblah TROTSKY :lol:


Interestingly, I was reading Berkman's "ABCs of Anarchism" on the bus and some guy beside me who must have been reading over my shoulder saw that the top of the page said "Communist Anarchism." He asked me "How the hell does someone become a communist anarchist?! Communism is like... the most organized shit ever and anarchism means chaos!"

Stunned by the cliche-ness of the question I was taken aback. I explained that communism and anarchism are the same, as they both want to achieve a classless, stateless society... unlike what the common perception of both are. He told me "But someone has to rule!" and I said that the people themselves can do it just fine without a dictator, and he responded smugly: "Well I don't run any countries."


I was dumbfounded and got off the bus

[SecondLife]

Apathetic - Are you some freak? Are you criminal? Are you teenager?

Right-Wing - You must be killed, because you are betrayer. Also all pacifists, anarchists, communists, homosexualists, vegans, freaks......yes, kill, kill, kill !

Left-wing - very good, but maybe...hmm...you are too mutch communist. "Lets make good childrens games"

Anarchists - very good, but you are too authoritarian, yes, you dont know nothing about communism....blablabla.... ah, lets meke better one protest-demo against too cold winter..... look how nice mask I have and dont call me by name, hi-hi.

[ComradeR]

Apathetic - well it sounds good but it only works on paper, also don't you know communism has killed 100 million people?

Right-Wing - your a disloyal, unpatriotic, totalitarian, freedom hating, would-be dictator and should be locked up. Or your a horribly misguided idealistic fool, don't you know communism only creates totalitarian dictatorships that kill millions of people?

Left-wing - (If we're referring to the liberal left here as I am the only far-left person in my town as far as I know) While I agree it sounds great communism only works on paper, it's just to extreme and in practice it just crushes peoples freedoms.

It's downright depressing being the only communist in town.:(

[NecroCommie]

Apathetic - Are you some freak? Are you criminal? Are you teenager?

Right-Wing - You must be killed, because you are betrayer. Also all pacifists, anarchists, communists, homosexualists, vegans, freaks......yes, kill, kill, kill !

Left-wing - very good, but maybe...hmm...you are too mutch communist. "Lets make good childrens games"

Anarchists - very good, but you are too authoritarian, yes, you dont know nothing about communism....blablabla.... ah, lets meke better one protest-demo against too cold winter..... look how nice mask I have and dont call me by name, hi-hi.

Yes, I heard it was really bad in Estonia, and I would be more than interested to read about the leftist situation there. Could you be so kind as to link some article on the subject for me via PM? Thanks.
As to Finnish situation:
- Apathetic - Dont talk politics to me, its boring!!!!
- Right wing - Rants about patriotism and how I am most propably a Russian sympathiser and a hippie that does not think.
- Most "left wingers" (reformists and social democrats) - A nice idea, but do you not realize that communism does not work.
I would like to add, that whenever I ask what they mean with: "not work", they never give me a real answer.

[Pinko Panther]

In Florida:

Apathetic- Huh? Communism? Like what they do in Russia?

Right-Wing- EVIL COMMIE SCUM!!! DIE!!! (okay, they don't actually say that, but it's what they mean)

Left- (I actually don't know any left wingers, so this is mainly the more leftist democrats) You know, communism only works in theory.

[Pogue]

Apathetic - Thats boring or Its a load of bollocks

Right wing - Your beliefs are absurd. Communism doesn't work and is unjust.

Left Wing - Anarchists have organisations so are vanguardists!

This is in London/just outside at times.

[Communist Theory]

U.S.A.
Apathetic- What?
Right Wing- Glen Beck foor president durrr.
Left Wing- OMG guys we are making so much progress Obama is president now!

[Kamerat]

Apathetic - Communism is a nice theory but it will never work in practice.

Right-Wing - Communism is fascism it takes away peoples freedom and you have share everything you have with everyone. You Stalin lovers are too dupe(opposite of paranoid) and politicaly correct.

"Left-wing" cappies - Communism is a nice theory but it will never work in practic.

[Incendiarism]

"Stay away from my children"

[hugsandmarxism]

Apathetic - well it sounds good but it only works on paper, also don't you know communism has killed 100 million people?

Right-Wing - your a disloyal, unpatriotic, totalitarian, freedom hating, would-be dictator and should be locked up. Or your a horribly misguided idealistic fool, don't you know communism only creates totalitarian dictatorships that kill millions of people?

Left-wing - (If we're referring to the liberal left here as I am the only far-left person in my town as far as I know) While I agree it sounds great communism only works on paper, it's just to extreme and in practice it just crushes peoples freedoms.

It's downright depressing being the only communist in town.:(

This, although I live in a more liberal area, and I've found that I can usually bust apart the typical liberal's false, pre-conceived notions by simply giving them the proper definitions of such things as communism, socialism, and anarchism.

I know two anarchists, one follower of juche, and a hand full of social democrats. Other than that, Obamites are a majority, with blocks of Reganites and libertarians scattered about.

Being a communist anywhere in the states is a lonely existence indeed. :crying:

[LeninBalls]

Ireland, all 3; Oh jaysus...

[Cumannach]

apathetic - meh

right wing - ugh

left wing- oh

[redshirt]

If I told anyone other than my family that I was considering being a Communist I would probably be killed.

[Yehuda Stern]

Most people think it's silly but harmless. Russian immigrants are sometimes more anti. The shit really hits the fan when they find out that me being a communist means supporting one Palestinian state, though.

[STJ]

apathetic - dear god whats wrong with you.

right wing - you want to kill people.

left wing - there are none where i live.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I tend to get a few people giving me screw face looks but in general I don't get too many people looking disapprovingly. Most people accept it and some commend it.

[Killfacer]

Non-aligned: Wow your so interesting Killfacer will you make love to me?

Right wingers: Wow killfacer, your such a rebel, opposites attract... will you make love to me?

Lefties: Wow killfacer, you're everything i want to be. Will you make love to me.

That's the usual shit i have to put up with.

[Sprocket Hole]

Well I usually will sympathize and try to clear up misunderstandings about communism, but I dont consider myself one. I normally call myself an anarchist.

Apathetic- They will look at me for a bit, talk to someone else in the middle of our convo, and then turn to me and ask, "Wanna smoke some weed?"

Righties- "Well I'm an American, and I support freedomism and democraticy!" or "FUCKING COMMIE" or "so i herd u like obama" whether I seem to come off as an anarchist or a 'commie'

Lefties- "Communism was a great idea on paper blahblahblah" or "Who will keep order in a anarchist society without police? I think your just malaligned."

[punisa]

FROM POST-SOCIALIST country of CROATIA under heavy influence OF FREE MARKET CAPITALISM:

apathetic - does this earn you money? If yes, can I join??

right wing - do you lefties get money? If yes, can I join??

left wing - do righties get money? If yes, can I join??

[Oktyabr]

apathetic - its ok, but will never work

right wing - "so you're a communist? So you like Obama now?"

left wing - socialism is good (only 2 people I have talked to in a discussion have said that)

[ls]

apathetic - oh nothing will ever change anyways, never changes.
righty - you're in my house, eating my babies, eating good citizen taxpayers.
lefty - hi asl?

[RedScare]

Very liberal area of America...

Apathetic - I get a look of "I really don't care about what ever you're saying"

Right Wing - Most of the right wingers are pretty classy in my school except for one kid about half my size who tried to attack me physically when I told him to his face.
I get lots of "LOL TOTALITARIANISM" and "LOL KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE"

Left Wing - This makes up a vast majority of people I discuss politics with. "It's great idea but blahblahblah human nature so it'll never work."

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Very liberal area of America...

Apathetic - I get a look of "I really don't care about what ever you're saying"

Right Wing - Most of the right wingers are pretty classy in my school except for one kid about half my size who tried to attack me physically when I told him to his face.
I get lots of "LOL TOTALITARIANISM" and "LOL KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE"

Left Wing - This makes up a vast majority of people I discuss politics with. "It's great idea but blahblahblah human nature so it'll never work."

I really hate the whole 'human nature' argument. Is it that hard to understand how people are tainted and affected by the environments they live in?

[STJ]

Non-aligned: Wow your so interesting Killfacer will you make love to me?

Right wingers: Wow killfacer, your such a rebel, opposites attract... will you make love to me?

Lefties: Wow killfacer, you're everything i want to be. Will you make love to me.

That's the usual shit i have to put up with.
So your a leftie for the women?

[Brother No. 1]

In Redneck Texas

Apathetic and non-aligned people - What the hell is that?

Right-wing - Your a Freak you dont believe in God you kill people and you dont like your own country what the Hell is wrong with you!!:cursing: You have Dictatorships for goverments learn something Boy!

Left-wing - If only there was a left wing here in the Deep south!

[brigadista]

get accused of being a "dinosaur"

[rednordman]

Americans puzzle me bigstyle....If they all hate communism, and think (or even joke that) Obama is a communist.., then why did they all vote for him?

[Brother No. 1]

Americans puzzle me bigstyle....If they all hate communism, and think (or even joke that) Obama is a communist.., then why did they all vote for him?

Hmm bad economic problems and they thought he would help. Plus I guess they wanted to change the history of the White house but who knows Americans are puzzling people.

[hugsandmarxism]

Americans puzzle me bigstyle....If they all hate communism, and think (or even joke that) Obama is a communist.., then why did they all vote for him?

The people who make these stupid claims that Obama is a "communist" are the right-wing crypto-fash dolts who probably voted for this guy:

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/images/John%20McCain.jpg

If you live in a particularly right-wing community in the States, you are probably going to run into alot of these people. I have the deepest sympathies for any comrade who lives in one of those areas (especially Polish Soviet, who has to put up with TEXANS :eek:).

[LOLseph Stalin]

Surpisingly not many people know i'm Commie(yet...), but my right-wing religious friends know and they hate whenever I bring up anything political. Also, when they first found out they stopped talking to me for awhile, but eventually got over that.

[Revulero]

I feel for you polish soviet, I have to put up with the same shit. :(

[Brother No. 1]

I feel for you polish soviet, I have to put up with the same shit.

Yes Texas is one hell of a place to be a Commie.

[Marx22]

Apathetic - Does that mean you get stuff for free

Right-wing - How dare you go against the capitalist system, you European piece of shit! You sir are unpatriotic and Un-American!

Left-Wing - Oh thats good but I just want to reform capitalism though.

[Post-Something]

Apathetic: Ahh...have fun with your long words...

Right wing: Oh..well...um, I'm sure we can get along..here, lemme buy you a drink?
To which I respond: I don't drink. Guess I'll see ya.

Left wing: I agree with you post-something.

[Brother No. 1]

You sir are unpatriotic and Un-American!

Haha! I get this all the time from my fellow Students constantly.:laugh:
Its almost laughable to be called that.

[Marx22]

Haha! I get this all the time from my fellow Students constantly.:laugh:
Its almost laughable to be called that.

:lol: Yeah I can relate to that. Their logic is almost too hilarious; there are many good ones but the ones I like are the North Korea arguements "Well North Korea is communist but they're a shit-hole!", the "USSR was communist but they failed and we won!", or "You people should just accept the world is capitalist".

[LOLseph Stalin]

Yeah I can relate to that. Their logic is almost too hilarious; there are many good ones but the ones I like are the North Korea arguements "Well North Korea is communist but they're a shit-hole!", the "USSR was communist but they failed and we won!", or "You people should just accept the world is capitalist".

Don't forget about the one stating that Communism offers no incentive to do a good job. :laugh:

[Oktyabr]

Don't forget about the one stating that Communism offers no incentive to do a good job. :laugh:

I hate that one.

Look at the second part of my signature for the answer to that one.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I hate that one.

Look at the second part of my signature for the answer to that one.

There's that, but also the fact that the only incentive Capitalism offers is "Get ahead or starve".

[Andropov]

Normally just confusion and a sceptical interest with the usual retorts of Stalin, purges, etc. But because Republicanism is respected in most working class estates here that does hold alot of credibility and so people will listen to your reasons for supporting Communism especially when you point out the likes of James Connolly, Liam Mellows, Bobby Sands etc who were all Communist.

As for the middles class's, I dont engage with them anyway.

[Drace]

"stay away from my children"

rofl

[Code]

Apathetic- that's cool but I'm pretty sure it only works on paper.

Right wing- EVIL!! You need to open your eyes to the real world and stop acting like delusional you goddamn hippie!

Left wingish- I think your missing the big picture. I mean it's really been tried and it may look good on paper but you should come be a democrat with us intelligent people.

Anarchists- I can see you points and we're both outcasts so we should go partake in pointless spittings on cop cars.

Open minded- this sounds interesting and im bored so tell me more.

[Killfacer]

So your a leftie for the women?

Men and women swoon at my feet.

[himalayanspirit]

Apathetic : "Its a utopian idea and will never work in reality"

Rightists : "Chinese boot-licker" "Chinese spy", "anti-Hindu" . They call the CPI (Communist Party of India) as "Chinese party of India". "Traitors".

Leftists : Lal Salaam. ("Red salute")

[RedArmyUK]

Here in Ukraine its mostly like this -

Apathetic and non-aligned people -
Hm, really? Nice, I hope this will bring you some money or other benefits from either party or important people who share your beliefs.:confused:

Right-wing -
You're full of lies, you know that there's no internationalism ever existed, you're just trying to find excuses for hidden egomania.:cursing:
You're just pro-Russian, anti-Ukrainian separatist swine surely poisoned by presence of Jewish blood somewhere in your ancestry.:cursing:

Left-wing -
Wow, how come you're not Christian? :scared:But CPU's policy is to make peace with orthdox Christians of Moscow Patriarchate after years of wrong-doings and mistakes, so I guess you'll need to at least pretend that you respect Easter and all other Orthodox holidays.
Wow, you're really feel comfortable around gays, lesbians, prostitutes, satanists, punks, goths and other degenerated people? :scared: But even in Soviet times these things were condemned, how can you expect their rehabilitation now - it would certainly damage our electoral gains with elderly people.

I loved it in Ukraine,, At 90p a bottle Vodka and £5 for 200 ciggies you can,t go wrong :tt1:

[RedArmyUK]

Yes Texas is one hell of a place to be a Commie.

I,ve always wanted to visit Texas,, is it true that close to everybody there is as thick as pig shit?

[STJ]

Men and women swoon at my feet.
You poor baby born with the curse of good looks.

[und]

Surprisingly, I can have a decent conversation about communism with about 1/3 of my year 9 class. About 1/5 would even label themselves as communists! This seems even more surprising when you find out that it's a grammar school in North London... Of course, most of the rich people don't give a shit about politics.

[manic expression]

Leftists : Lal Salaam. ("Red salute")
I'm sorry to jump in but that's an awesome phrase. I have to remember that one.

The funny thing is that when I talk to capitalists, I can end up agreeing with Republicans more often than Democrats. They admit they want to "succeed" and "profit", they admit they want to exploit workers. Liberals, however, try to hide the brutality of capitalism one way or another. Outside that, most people just think it's either surprising or confusing to meet a communist. It all depends on how I approach the conversation, really.

[rednordman]

mmm...These are abit of an montage of different responses I have heard from people - without ever admitting that im a commie.

Apathetic/Non-political - "Socialism is a necersary evil, But individuality rools the roost and is fairer because it is human nature:rolleyes:. Socialism in small run (welfair state inother words) is important otherwise people would starve. Communism = Bad economy responsible for deaths/ is now outdated and lost for ever".

Rightwing - "Anyone who is a communist is basically wants everything for free and only develop thier views as a result of being bitter about bad/nasty experiences in life. They should learn to accept that some people are simply better than others and that following 'survival of the fittest' is only fair because (though I would never say it out loud *right winger talking - NOT me*) people who fail are weak and deserve to be punished and looked down on. Also anyone who is not totally narcisistic is probably not mentally stable/or needs to grow up. You fail because you are bad and no other reasons, therefor anyone who is a communist is a failure because communism is BAD and wants to blame everyone else:rolleyes:"

Leftwing - "your young arn't you?" - "Socialism is good and a attainable dream, but would piss of rich people - so I have got no bollox and will not even dare go there, Communism will always end in a tyranical dictatorship."

[Cynical Observer]

Apathetic: really, why?

Right wing: ur just lazy and want the real americans to support u and ur druggy friends.

Left wing (well Left for the US): well that's lovely but u need to take baby steps, when ur older u'll learn how the world really works

[Absolut]

Most of my friends are either communists or anarchists, so I dont have any problem there. I have a few friends thats pretty non-political, and they know and accept that Im an anarchist, but its tiring to talk politics to non-political people, so Ive just stopped doing that.

Interestingly enough, apparently Ive spent an entire night discussing anarchism with a bunch of nazis while out on a pub. They were actually quite nice, if I remember correctly, but I was really drunk, so my memory may fool me.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Apathetic/apolitical: varies, most are intrigued but don't really care.

Right-Wing: stupid commie, you'll burn in hell, etc etc

Left-wing: the only left-wingers I know are communists, or communist sympathizers.

Cubans: There in a whole section of their own, they like to encircle you while shouting and cursing at you in Spanish. True story.

[Catbus]

Apathetic: "Oh, that's neat." Sometimes they ask a few basic questions, i.e. "What gives people motivation to work..." Stufff like that.

I have a lot of right-wing Christians and lolbertarians in my area, both of which give different answers.

Right-Wing Christians: "Communism lead to the death of almost 100,000,000 people!" Or: "You do know that Marx was a Darwinist right?!?!"

Right-Wing Ron Paulites: "The Labor Theory of Value is soooooo outdated." And my personal favorite, "Communism stifles creativity."

Most left wingers here are liberal democrats, so I usually get: "It's okay, Obama is president now." Or: "Communism sounds cool, but it's just not realistic."

[Nakidana]

without ever admitting that im a commie.

Same. When a political topic pops up, or I'm asked about some political issue, I just respond with my "revolutionary" opinion of the issue without mentioning my political affliation. Regardless, my statement usually comes out like a huge bombshell in the middle of the discussion (Up til now everyone has agreed with one another out of fright to stand out) resulting in a huge outburst of emotion and everyone turning on me.

Responses in 1 on 1 discussions:

Apathetic: "Yeah, okay..." (doesn't know/care about the topic at hand) - "I just don't like socialism/communism" - "it looks good on paper but..."

Right wing: "You can't pay a doctor the same as a janitor! Nobody would educate themselves!" - "I like to visit *insert country with large immigrant population here*, I just don't want our country to become that way!" - "We can't pull out, it would leave a POWER VACUUM!!!" (They really love that phrase)

Left wing: "The European Union/*insert institution here* is what we make it!" (i.e. we can change the system from within)

[Il Medico]

In Florida and the rest of America.

Apathetic- Communism failed.

Nazi- Sezi Hail! Die Pinko Commie Bastard!

Far Right wing- You are scum and deserve to die! Traitor! Why do you hate America!

Republicans- What is wrong with you?

Democrats- Nice theory but will never work.

Leftist- Welcome comrade! Let us talk about matters of.... (to bad I only know one :()

[More Fire for the People]

I think the difference between European and American responses is funny.
In Europe, 'Communism doesn't work.'
In America, 'Communists are going to hell!'

[Vincent P.]

I'm living in the most apathic and politically-dead town ever. I hardly had any opportunity to express my political opinions, for most discussions never go much deeper than the price of petroleum or the new McDonald they just built.
A friend of mine is studying political science and thus he has (very) basic knowledge of how it works, but he's more center-right and when I said I was anarcho-communist he didn't seem to know what it was and just said he was voting for the Liberal Party Of Canada.
A big problem here is that people (including my parents) are taking "working hard" as a virtue, while I'm advocating Lafargues' Right to Be Lazy. For them, working [for capitalists] until blood comes out of your nose is an important criterion of a successful life. They see capitalists (that is the owners of the local mines and wood compagnies) as semi-god creating jobs with their bare hands, thanks to who the town still exists.

[Vendetta]

I actually have had one person go 'but you're not black!'

I still don't get it.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I actually have had one person go 'but you're not black!'

Haha, oh wow. So apperently political views are race related now. :laugh:

[STJ]

I actually have had one person go 'but you're not black!'

I still don't get it.
Wow thats wierd.

[Vendetta]

Wow thats wierd.

It was before Obama, too.

[Comrade Anarchist]

someone found out for the first time today that i was a communist and she doubletaked and said "Commies are the ones who killed all those jews." and "That is where you live under one dictator." i told her the truth but she didnt listen. i hate the U.s.

[hugsandmarxism]

someone found out for the first time today that i was a communist and she doubletaked and said "Commies are the ones who killed all those jews." and "That is where you live under one dictator." i told her the truth but she didnt listen. i hate the U.s.

It's a bit better up north, but honestly, I feel your frustration. :(

[Brother No. 1]

Commies are the ones who killed all those jews."
I've heard capitalists being stupid but this is beyond what I thought about it. To think we're being confused with the Nazis...



"That is where you live under one dictator."

And where she lives she lives under not one dictator but many dictators. The American educational system is so flawed when I looked in a book about the DPRK it said Communism was
Communism is the theory and form of goverment where the state takes all ownsership of property and distributes it to the people equaly. Oh the propaganda.




i hate the U.s.

I feel your pain comrade for I'm in Redneck texas.:crying:

[LOLseph Stalin]

Communism is the theory and form of goverment where the state takes all ownsership of property and distributes it to the people equaly.

Hahaha!:laugh: Would somebody mind telling me which state?

[Enragé]

Apathetic - Nice idea but doesnt work in practice / Whats communism?

Right-Wing - Communism's just like fascism

Left-Wing - Nice idea but doesnt work in practice / You live in the past.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Apathetic - "oh."
Right-Wing - "How could you do such a thing?" and i atually heard this today, "All homos should be killed" and i fought back, hard, to the point where his friend said "youre boring me" i guess ill take it as a victory. i have not actually confronted a true right winger though. i was talking to underclassmen. (lower school year)

Left-Wing - I only know 1 potentially real leftist, who i fear might only be doing it for the image. :(

[Marx22]

someone found out for the first time today that i was a communist and she doubletaked and said "Commies are the ones who killed all those jews." and "That is where you live under one dictator." i told her the truth but she didnt listen. i hate the U.s.

I understand you completely my friend. The ignorance (or more like the stupidy) of some Americans when it comes to communism is really sad (but at the same time a tad hilarious); the bourgeois media and government has attracted many ignorant people to their distorted view on communism.

That dictator comment is just as bad as the "Isn't communism where the government spies on you all the time, tells you what to do, what to eat, what to say, and jails you if you speak out against the government?" arguement. I like to say no, thats not communism, but the US government.

[Rusty Shackleford]

so, i got one finally for someone who is apathetic

the other day, i was re-reading the Communist Manifesto. This teacher is pretty relaxed and a nice guy. He asked what i was reading, i said "The Communist Manifesto" and he replied with a sort of high pitched and questioning "oh ok" i was a bit shocked and humored. it was a funny but sad reaction to what i had said.

[commyrebel]

non aligned - ok whatever

Right wingers- dam hitler stalin following Fascist

Left wingers- aw man awsome you should come toke with your fellow leftist(all leftist in my are are complete stoners

[DancingLarry]

Being an American, when I tell "mah fellow Merkins" that I'm an anarcho-syndicalist they look at me with dumbfounded incomprehension.

[Nwoye]

due to the general apathy and ignorance of americans, i tend to avoid serious political/economic/philosophical discussions. when they do occur, i usually really offend someone. it's strange because i'm a pretty reserved and polite person, and i stay the same way during debate. the other day i was debating with an aquaintance about donald trump and land speculation, and i was trying to explain to him the labor theory of property and why it didn't apply to land. he was so offended that i went against those good christian conservative ideals that he was seriously about to punch me in the face.

people are wierd.

[Dr Mindbender]

i just tell people i'm a technocrat.

The beauty of this is, youre able to dodge all those annoying strawmen about 'russia' and 'human nature'.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

i just tell people i'm a technocrat.

The beauty of this is, youre able to dodge all those annoying strawmen about 'russia' and 'human nature'.

Don't they ask you what it is?

[Thunder]

Apathetic: pretty much something like "You fucking freak!"

Right wingers: I havnet told any right wingers.

Liberals: something like "I agree that capitalism is not too good but you must understand blah blah blah blah blah"

Northwest Florida here. You can pretty much call NW Florida "Southern Alabama" to be honest.

[Sarah Palin]

Right wing- Why would you want to give up your rights and be oppressed? Cos that's all communism is, you know! Now leave me alone while I continue to read get rich quick books.

Left wing- I live in a boom town full of "entrepreneurs" (not my family, mind you), so there are no leftists. Not even center lefts. I literally live in the ass of the Earth.

[swampfox]

My town isn't very politically active and unless you're talking to a hardcore Christian the most you'll get out of telling someone is "Wow I would've never pegged you as a lefty. Want to go get some BBQ tonight? I heard they're having an all you can eat special."

[Vincent P.]

Left wing- I live in a boom town full of "entrepreneurs" (not my family, mind you), so there are no leftists. Not even center lefts. I literally live in the ass of the Earth.
Thank Allah somebody is sharing my pain! I live in a boom town, but the boom is over and it has been slightly declining for the last 10 years, and a lot in the last year. But they'll be redneck till the end anyhow, I lost all hope.

[SecondLife]

New winds in here:

Workers wing: all unemployed and trade unions must "kill". They name them parasites, but seems that they think rather "want kill them".
Here becomes mass redundancies. Workers think - we workers must nourish those parasites who just don't want go to work and also trade unions are parasites and traitors.
.......next day the same worker becomes also unemployed (redundant) and I ask - "are you also now parasite? welcome to parasite community?" and he answer only "ough shit...ouhg fuck...."
Funny, isn't? Human is the most wisest creature in Earth. Sad!

[OneNamedNameLess]

I always state that I am a socialist. I generally find that it triggers less shit than labeling myself as a communist. To be honest though I have not received too many negative reactions as a result of my politics. It usually leads to a debate which I don't mind.

[RedAnarchist]

Apathetic - The usual "good on paper, never work in practice".

Right-wingers - Not too many of these where I live (people tend to be either centrists or apathetic, although there are known conservatives and BNP supporters). Not too many people around here know my political views, so I don't know how they would react.

Centrists - Most of the people around here. Tend to vote Labour, so probably are the same as the apathetic.

Left-wingers - If they exist, tend to be Old Labour-type people. The elderly woman who lives next door once gave me a load of communist books, so she may have been a communist at one time (these books include a really old history of the soviet union from the 1930s).

[Holden Caulfield]

I was tarred, feathered and ran out of town tied to a big log.

[More Fire for the People]

I was tarred, feathered and ran out of town tied to a big log.
:laugh: Holden, what do you think you're doing in the UK? You're obviously meant to be an American. You definitely more of a St. Louis bloke than a London chap.

[Monster]

Apathetic - It's not important for me. It was a lot of years ago. Now I am afraid to lose my job.

Right-wingers - Horrible! Communist killed 20 millions people (sometimes 50 millions, sometimes 100 millions or something more:laugh:You are a killer himself.

Left-wingers - We lived better in soviet times than now, in the "independent Lithuania". But, it is only the past.

[Eva]

Apathetic - You are such a unique and eccentric individual. I'd like you to be my token communist friend who I take to parties as a conversation piece, introduce to my pseudo intellectual hipster friends, and occasionally jokingly talk to about moving to an island.

Right wing - You are a ***** with questionable sexual habits who destroys families, disregards individuality and freedom, spits on the frag and war veterans, approves of bestiality and child molestation, and administers abortions every morning for fun. God will have a ball with you when the rapture comes.

Left Wing - Really?

[PeaderO'Donnell]

As for the middles class's, I dont engage with them anyway.

This is very important point in Irish politics.

The middle classes are not interested at all in national liberation.

So why dont RSF and 32csm just declare themselves for working class power?

I doubt anyone in the Irish middle class wants to engage with the IRSP anyways.....They would be much more happy engaging with the ICC about how you are all gangsters blah, blah, blah....

[Bright Banana Beard]

Right wing - It only work on paper or it will work if only Jesus come back.
Gusano - ¡Que mierda rojo, vete con Fidel!
Left wing - Cool but then why North Korea is dictator or why then Stalin killed many many people?...
Apathetic - Anyway.

[ls]

This is very important point in Irish politics.

The middle classes are not interested at all in national liberation.

So why dont RSF and 32csm just declare themselves for working class power?


I doubt anyone in the Irish middle class wants to engage with the IRSP anyways.....They would be much more happy engaging with the ICC about how you are all gangsters blah, blah, blah....

Not only is this stupidly sectarian; it's also irrelevant to this thread (and for the record there is a massive amount of middle-class Irish people I've known of that have a great interest in 'national liberation' and IRA politics - there also exist many bourgeoisie Irish businessmen in the USA who are deeply sympathetic to the Republican cause). I would be thankful if a mod trashed this quoted post (and my post afterwards).

[Tseka]

In the United States, any word or rumor about someone being a Communist instantly diminishes their reputation.

People misunderstand socialism, either that or every person in this nation despises true equality.

[rednordman]

Left-Wing - Nice idea but doesnt work in practice / You live in the past. You know, I'v heard this recently from alot of the supporters of the labour party in uk, and have got to say it baffles me. "To progress towards socialism you really need to think more capitalistic" - well no-one told me! That makes miles more sence!:rolleyes:

If they aspire to make the world better via libertarianism, then they should call themselves the NuLibertarian party instead. Because considering that they are still aligned to the socialist international, they have abandoned almost all that they stood for in the past. They have even abandoned the social chapter ffs!! I wish they would just go away now, but feel trapped into voting for them just to show resistance against the tories and BNP.

[Communist Theory]

My mom's reaction to me being on RevLeft: OMFG what are you doing I better not ever see you on that sight again boy!
Me: Why not?
Her: Because next thing I know you're going to be on a skinhead sight!
Me: [Go into detail on what is wrong with her statement]
Her: Oh alright I wanna see what this site is all about.

[JerseyDevil]

So I was standing around in gym class talking to my friend about communism, and he gives me the same shit everyone does. You know, the "it looks good on paper but it doesn't work" shit. Then my brother hits me in the back and shouts "YOU TRAITOR TO AMERICA!". Yeah, he was joking. Those are the only reactions I ever get. Except when I told my friend, all he said was "Yeah, I figured."

[hugsandmarxism]

Apathetic - You are such a unique and eccentric individual. I'd like you to be my token communist friend who I take to parties as a conversation piece, introduce to my pseudo intellectual hipster friends, and occasionally jokingly talk to about moving to an island.

Oh jesus. You've captured the reaction of New England Liberals down to a "t" for me. Only in my case, the discussion was about living in a commune in the woods somewhere. :sleep:

[Andropov]

Not only is this stupidly sectarian; it's also irrelevant to this thread (and for the record there is a massive amount of middle-class Irish people I've known of that have a great interest in 'national liberation' and IRA politics - there also exist many bourgeoisie Irish businessmen in the USA who are deeply sympathetic to the Republican cause). I would be thankful if a mod trashed this quoted post (and my post afterwards).
I can categorically tell you that Republicanism is despised in middle class areas in Ireland.
In fact its fashionable in the middle classes to be Unionist.

[Pogue]

Right wing - Your an idiot, it doesn't work, people are lazy, I love my nation, so should you, you should leave this country, people deserve to get more moeny for working hard.

Apathetic - Mhm cool. Wanna come to the park?

Left Wing - Oh.

[Verix]

I,ve always wanted to visit Texas,, is it true that close to everybody there is as thick as pig shit?

The entire state is very right wing except the capital, Austin which is accually very liberal, i lived there for a while and at noon each day for was a old guy who would come out in bikini and sit in a lawn chair in front of a grocery store for 2 hours and sleep, nobody ever bothered him not even the police.

[Dóchas]

I can categorically tell you that Republicanism is despised in middle class areas in Ireland.
In fact its fashionable in the middle classes to be Unionist.

are you talking about ireland in general or in a certain area? because pretty much all of the middle class people iv met have nationalist leanings and sympathise with the IRA

[Dr Mindbender]

Don't they ask you what it is?

Not so far.

[Manifesto]

Apathetic - You don't wanna know.

Right wing - YOU THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE PAID THE SAME AND NOBODY OWNS PROPERTY?

Left wing - (Only two other people in my town) All economic systems suck or really? I'm democratic socialist.

[Qayin]

Right winger = Commie pussy you guys are like the nazis
left winger = Communism is good in theory it doesnt work...OBAMA!!!!
apathetic = wah wah nothing will ever change

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

What Manifesto said. However: I am known among my non-political friends for being the token Communist guy. Across high school and still today I'm known as Captain Commie, and even Republican people I know admit that things just wouldn't be the same without me...

[GiantBear91]

America, North Carolina(mind you that there are shit tons of right wings, rednecks, and klansmen here)

Non-Aligned: ok... and?

Right-wingers: You fucking commie scum! I hope you die!

Left-wingers: Oh really? You know Communism has never worked, right?

[Dimentio]

I usually talk quite much more about what the organisation I'm with wants to achieve. Most people do not know so much about technocracy. Some think we want machines to run everything, while others think we are some sort of right-wingers.

Most who get to know our ideas are sympathetic.

[Dooga Aetrus Blackrazor]

It rarely comes up. It's not like I flaunt it like some sort of symbol of pride. If someone asks, I tell them. If they're asking, they're generally somewhat open to the answer.

Some people are dogmatic about it, but we end up dropping the topic rather quickly. I've never had anyone actively try to convince me I'm wrong on politics or religion. I'm Canadian, though, perhaps it's different in America. I often think Canada's lack of political communication is a fault, though.

[Wanted Man]

Well, it's kind of a hard question to answer. I mean, when I meet people, I'm not like: "Hey, I'm TCM, I'm a communist." And when I've known people for longer, it's not like: "I think I can trust you on this - I am a communist."

People usually hear about it more gradually. If people know what I stand for in general (for instance, when talking about the crap conditions at work), I'll gladly tell them where communism fits in. If people just ask what I do in daily life, I find it easy to tell them that I have a job, that I work out and that I'm politically active, in the communist party.

In this way, people are already approaching you with interest, and their response will be more interested and surprised, perhaps even positively by the fact that you're apparently a "deep" enough person to be engaged politically. Whereas they may be disgusted or confrontational if you either blurt it out, or keep quiet about it and pretend to be a-political or fuzzy liberal.

Of course, when doing political work it's kind of different, because you can't really fool people if you're standing behind a market booth with a big red flag on it. :cool:

[DecDoom]

Apathetic: Uh... so that means you're a Russian, right?

Right-Wing: You communist swine! Pray to god for forgiveness! (then I tell them I'm an atheist)

Left-Wing: (sadly, they hardly exist here, but I have a few communist friends)