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WhatAboutEngles
5th May 2009, 17:36
Let's say a communist party came to power democratically tomorrow. What do we feel the best way to progress from that point would be and what would be the immediate policies you would implement be?
Old Man Diogenes
5th May 2009, 17:48
Appropriate wealth, dissolve the party and hand over control to workers.
I agree.
JohnnyC
5th May 2009, 17:55
Since communist party would have so much support I guess class conscience would also be extremely high.Party should socialize means of production and establish workers control over economy through their councils, disband police and military and support workers in organizing their own militia.I guess that De Leonists think communism should be similarly established.
Well, let's not assume we are all inherently incorruptible. I'm not one to agree that power corrupts always, but we can see how many dictators got their start as low-level revolutionaries and worked their way up.
Perhaps the problem is this old traditional way of going about revolution, rallying behind some glorious "leader". Let's not put individuals on pedestals when our goal is the liberation of the working class.
What should be done, though, if a communist party was elected democratically? Screw the gradualist nonsense or we'll be headed to the same chavista conundrum with 10 years of reforms. It should be a revolution, smashing the capitalist state and creating a socialist society from below, with economic power in the hands of the workers.
apathy maybe
5th May 2009, 18:14
Let's say a communist party came to power democratically tomorrow. What do we feel the best way to progress from that point would be and what would be the immediate policies you would implement be?
Shoot people, like you, who ask these stupid questions.
Seriously, I've thought about this alot, reformism doesn't work!
What do you do first? Release all the prisoners? Dissolve the army? Nationalise the banks? Institute 100% tax over a certain amount?
What next?
Will you get enough done before the next election?
No, the answer is not reformism, the answer is to have enough people be sick of everything, and then they'll smash the system themselves.
Fuck the government.
If I was in power i'd go to the local gift shop and buy a shirt saying 'My friend was in power and all i got was this lousy t-shirt'.
I'd then go tour the local scenery, maybe have a picnic in a field and at night i'd sample power's nightlife, go to a few clubs, try the local spirits, generally mill around.
A short sentence gets a short answer.
I don't really know what 'I' would do because I don't want whatever communist party being 'in power'. I want the working class in power, thanks.
вор в законе
5th May 2009, 18:56
Shoot people, like you, who ask these stupid questions.
Fascist pig.
Cumannach
5th May 2009, 19:42
The first thing I would do is ban golf.
Excerpt from http://knol.google.com/k/j-y/equal-pay-for-unequal-work/gcybcajus7dp/6
Promote democracy in the workplace—employees are free to vote on a differentiated pay structure, if that’s what they want.
Now that workplace democracy is the norm, start promoting equal pay—this isn‘t to say you‘re forcing it on everyone—instead, it’s kind of like forming a new party in a new democracy, where this new party is promoting the concept of equal pay.
Replace product advertising with job advertising. Again, you‘re not forcing people to no longer advertise their products—you try to convince them instead. Point out the harm (psychological, environmental, etc) to society caused by product advertising versus the increased motivation as a result of job advertising. It’s like teaching gardeners to water their plants—you don‘t force them to water their plants, you‘re just telling them that watering their plants is a better idea than not watering their plants.
Excerpts from http://knol.google.com/k/j-y/capital-flight/gcybcajus7dp/5
Your nation may still have in its treasury the remnants of the capitalist financial structure - gold, other precious metals, paper money from nations around the world. Spend it - as soon as possible. Buy commodities - those things you need to survive and buy any equipment you need to produce the goods you need. That is the real wealth to people who actually have to do the work.
What happens in the rest of the world as the people of your nation are suddenly flooding it with various currencies and "precious" metals, while snapping up real goods? The supply of those currencies and "precious" metals go up, while the supply of real goods go down. These goods become more and more expensive, while "money" becomes more and more worthless. Thus, there is all the more reason to exchange your money as soon as possible for real goods you will need.
When all the old money has been spent, you are free to live, work, and produce the things you need. Self-reliance is the only secure form of wealth. Trade with other nations can still be conducted, but do not hold on to their money - money is mere promise of future wealth, promises that can be broken whether from malice or from inability to fulfill them. Exchange any money for real wealth as soon as you can.
People can probably be trusted when times are easy and when prosperity reigns, but when times are tough, promises are much easier to break than the laws of survival. This is what makes self-reliance of an economy important. This is why local industry and agriculture should be protected. Productively ability is the real source of wealth of the nation.
However, natural disasters also occur. While the world as a whole may be fairly stable, the area around you is much more prone to random fluctuations of climate and geology. Thus self-reliance is not the entirety of a secure economy, but merely the supporting structure. The secondary source of security is prosperity in other geographical locations. The more prosperous others are, the more likely they will come to your aid in times of trouble. The more they have to thank you for their prosperity, the more likely they will come to your aid. Again, merely being creditors to their debt is not enough. Nations are sovereign, whether anarchist or authoritarian. They can break their promises - they can ignore any legalistic claims to debt. It is the general goodwill that can be fostered between two nations or people that will be your salvation in case your own self-reliance fails.
punisa
5th May 2009, 20:39
Shoot people, like you, who ask these stupid questions.
WTF? :confused:
It's a normal question that deals with politics. Shoot people who ask stupid questions? Even if you're being sarcastic and/or witty you just made yourself look immature.
mykittyhasaboner
5th May 2009, 23:38
The first thing I would do is ban golf.
What a waste of space.
The first thing i would do is smoke a bowl.
TheCultofAbeLincoln
6th May 2009, 03:05
I would join RevRight.
Rusty Shackleford
6th May 2009, 03:21
would put forth an effort to smash office buildings and turn the lots into gardens for local self sufficiency. on a national scale. reliance on imported goods creates exploitation of agriculture in other pats of the world.
or, turn the office buildings into housing.
apathy maybe
6th May 2009, 11:44
Fascist pig.
Ignorant fucker. Shooting people is in no way confined to fascists. Indeed, the Soviet government under Stalin, the Chinese government under Mao, and various other "socialist" governments have shot people.
Oh, and pigs are kind, sensitive, clean animals (when they can do what they want). At least you didn't call me a cop, cops are filth (and not kind, sensitive or clean).
WTF? :confused:
It's a normal question that deals with politics. Shoot people who ask stupid questions? Even if you're being sarcastic and/or witty you just made yourself look immature.
Did you bother reading the rest of my post? It's almost the only worthwhile post in the thread.
The question is very short, provides no context, etc. It has loads of problems. And, being short, (and stupid) it attracts short (and stupid) answers. Such as, "ban golf", "smoke a bowl", etc.
Dissolve the party and hand over power to the workers? Nice, short, meaningless answer, just like the question.
How do you go about dissolving the party? One person stamping their iron rule on everyone else? What about the capitalists? Is the army going to object?
It's a stupid question, and people who ask such questions should be told that.
And, I don't care if you think I'm immature based on a single short sentence. It reflects more on you than me. (Here's a hint, have a look at my posting history if you want a real indication of my maturity.)
1. scheme against the parlamentarianist government, while pretending to be a populist closet-capitalist social-liberal democrat.
2. stage a military coup
3. reclaim the means of production by military means, unionize, and divide amongst the working class and the lower classes..
4. make all public services free and top notch.
5. declare racism as a state of mental illness.
6. use the rest of my energy focusing on developing the third world, and my anti-EU/NATO/USA views.
Nosotros
6th May 2009, 18:41
Now thats a sensible policy! :)
Nosotros
6th May 2009, 18:42
banning golf that is! Think of all the space.
punisa
6th May 2009, 20:29
And, I don't care if you think I'm immature based on a single short sentence. It reflects more on you than me. (Here's a hint, have a look at my posting history if you want a real indication of my maturity.)
Don't get overexcited dear comrade :lol:
..Well seems this whole topic turned stupid, let us not change RevLeft to RevTimeWaste now.
Pawn Power
6th May 2009, 20:42
Give all land back to Native American tribes.
punisa
6th May 2009, 21:55
Proclaim Antarctica as the only potential capitalist continent
ZeroNowhere
7th May 2009, 04:42
Adjourn sine die.
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