View Full Version : Is Jarvis Cocker working class?
Holden Caulfield
5th May 2009, 01:20
anybody who answers gets mad rep of me and Organize!
From what I've heard of him describing his own life I'd say yes, but then again that might be part of a PR thing.
teenagebricks
5th May 2009, 01:38
I think he is a working class boy at heart, but his Mum is a Tory councillor, which troubles me.
Holden Caulfield
5th May 2009, 02:08
To answer both your points, yes he sings working class stuff but so do Blur and they are just middle class art students dressed up as working class kids so that they can make lots of money. And yes his mum is a tory councillor, i can use wikipedia too.
But is he working class!?
teenagebricks
5th May 2009, 02:31
I'm sure you can use Wikipedia, now forgive me as I am probably being either incredibly thick or incredibly blind but I don't see what Wikipedia has to do with Jarvis being working class.
No, but he is a charming fellow.
Angry Young Man
5th May 2009, 08:28
They have Tory councillors in Sheffield now?
communard resolution
5th May 2009, 09:00
his Mum is a Tory councillor, which troubles me.
Not only that, but also...
http://www.music-news.com/ShowNews.asp?nCID=0&H=Jarvis-Cocker-gets-political&nItemID=26370
No idea about his class background, sorry.
I enjoy his music, both solo and with Pulp. Aside from that I couldn't really give a flying fuck about his class background.
Devrim
5th May 2009, 09:39
To answer both your points, yes he sings working class stuff but so do Blur and they are just middle class art students dressed up as working class kids so that they can make lots of money. And yes his mum is a tory councillor, i can use wikipedia too.
But is he working class!?
Do people think that class is connected to relationship to the means of production or the songs you sing?
Devrim
Angry Young Man
5th May 2009, 12:00
The former, although conditions determine consciousness, therefore the alienated position of working-class people relative to the means of production will reflect itself in musical output. For example, grunge, though not built on a specific class model (though I'd definitely say it was working class) reflects anguish at social conservatism and powerlessness, etc.; whereas prog, with its mythical and fantastical lyrics, shows that the musicians have never wanted for any physical necessity and thus pursue alternate realities. Think hierarchy of need: Kurt Cobain's background was one of physical lack; Keith Emerson's one of indulgence.
Holden Caulfield
5th May 2009, 12:05
Do people think that class is connected to relationship to the means of production or the songs you sing?
Devrim
i think I don't care but me and Organize were having this discussion the other night and I wanted to now the answer to the question.
It interests me.
In the same way it interests me how Blur were middle class art students who were marketed as a working class band so as to sell records. I find this interesting Devrim, is this a wrong thing to find interesting?
holden, what do you mean by middle class?
Holden Caulfield
5th May 2009, 12:22
holden, what do you mean by middle class?
everybody who isn't me, or who disagrees with me, or who thinks they are more cultured or better than me
(i have an exam in about an hour and a half, dont expect me to expend my brain power too much today)
JohannGE
5th May 2009, 12:36
"He wants to live like common people,
He wants to do whatever common people do,
He wants to sleep with common people,
He wants to sleep with common people,
like you."
Then he wants to pretend to be alchoholic, ex-club entertainer, Darren Spooner from Doncaster. When he tires of this he wants to run off home to his fashion stylist wife in their chic, baronial Paris flat and live on royalties from Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire!
I dunno!
Devrim
5th May 2009, 14:31
i think I don't care but me and Organize were having this discussion the other night and I wanted to now the answer to the question.
It interests me.
In the same way it interests me how Blur were middle class art students who were marketed as a working class band so as to sell records. I find this interesting Devrim, is this a wrong thing to find interesting?
No, it's not, but nor is it wrong to try to look beyond the way class is so often presented in the UK. Class is not a cultural thing.
Devrim
nuisance
5th May 2009, 15:34
holden, what do you mean by middle class?
You.
Then he wants to pretend to be alchoholic, ex-club entertainer, Darren Spooner from Doncaster. When he tires of this he wants to run off home to his fashion stylist wife in their chic, baronial Paris flat and live on royalties from Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire!
Leave Relaxed Muscle out of this! Their album was good.
You.
That offended me so much it put me off my museli. I'm so pissed off I'm going to go read the Guardian or maybe put my sandals on and go for a nice walk in Surrey.
Invader Zim
6th May 2009, 00:40
That offended me so much it put me off my museli. I'm so pissed off I'm going to go read the Guardian or maybe put my sandals on and go for a nice walk in Surrey.
lol owned.
Incidentally, working class individuals have been known to vote tory. Though that may come as a shock to some of you guys who fetishise a completely fictional idea of class.
Angry Young Man
6th May 2009, 11:20
lol owned.
Incidentally, working class individuals have been known to vote tory.
Yea but in remarkably backward places like Norfolk, not in Sheffield!
nuisance
6th May 2009, 11:28
That offended me so much it put me off my museli. I'm so pissed off I'm going to go read the Guardian or maybe put my sandals on and go for a nice walk in Surrey.
It offended you so much that you went about your daily activties as usual? What?
Holden Caulfield
6th May 2009, 12:00
It offended you so much that you went about your daily activties as usual? What?
ooooooo
rap battle, rap battle, rap battle
Killfacer
7th May 2009, 22:08
it offended you so much that you went about your daily activties as usual? What?
ouch
Dr Mindbender
7th May 2009, 22:46
Is Jarvis Cocker working class?
No, i think he's class concious middle class.
rystrttn
26th May 2009, 01:24
To my knowledge everybody would already know that any musician claiming to be of working class or poor is LYING. period. Eminem did not come from a trailor park, Jewel never slept in her car, 50cent's not from the streets.. neither were N.W.A. ..or Bon Scott or Kurt Cobain. ALL IS FOR PR ONLY, its a classic class cover up, because no-one has ever been successful or more importantly had the time or money or genes to compete with the rich 'entertainers' you know. Bands are for people with imaginary problems, they just like to be creative.. its called art. wotevr..:cursing:
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2020 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.