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Holden Caulfield
4th May 2009, 23:37
http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/ne...l/article.html (http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/news/Derbyshire-police-object-BNP-festival-comes-county/article-959024-detail/article.html)



A SENIOR police officer has told the BNP he fears more violence if the party tries to hold its annual festival in the county this summer.

Alan Warner wants to hold the Red, White and Blue festival in fields next to his home in Codnor-Denby Lane, Denby, for the third successive year.

But Superintendent Howard Veigas, who policed the event last year, has pre-empted any official announcement by writing to Mr Warner with his concerns.

He said the police would object if the party applied to Amber Valley Borough Council for a licence to sell alcohol and play live music at the event.

The comments came after the force spent £250,000 policing last year's event with about 400 officers.

Anti-BNP protesters clashed with police outside the festival site, leading to 33 arrests.

The letter to Mr Warner said: "In the view of the Derbyshire Constabulary, the site at Codnor-Denby Lane is not a suitable venue for an event which generates such strong emotions and objections.

"We would oppose it on the grounds of risk to public safety, prevention of crime and disorder, prevention of public nuisance and protection of children from harm.

"The protests last year led to a high number of arrests following various incidents of disorder which took place around the site.

"The open nature of the site means that it is impossible for the festival to be protected against any determined and violent opponent without a large police presence."

Last year, the BNP withdrew its application to sell alcohol and play live music on the land after the police objected but the event itself went ahead.

Mr Warner said the same could happen this year.

He said he could not understand the views in the letter as last year's problems had been caused by anti-BNP activists.

He said: "We didn't have any trouble on our site last year.

"If the BNP were to apply but not get the licences I would imagine we would still hold an event."

One festival organiser, Wendy Russell, said that, if the festival took place in Derbyshire, it would be held on or around August 13, 14 and 15.

She said: "We are having a committee meeting about it within the next couple of weeks.

"It will definitely go ahead somewhere, as it's the 10th one, so we've got to pull out all the stops. There's always other options but we like Mr Warner's land and the local area."

One local resident, Brian Bentley, 77, of Codnor-Denby Lane, said he was delighted the police were planning to object.

"If the paperwork comes in I will be objecting, as I did the year before, on the basis of noise," he said.

A police spokeswoman said the concerns raised with Mr Warner were "based on intelligence we have received and the risk that was caused by last year's violence in the area surrounding the festival".

"We are in regular contact with Mr Warner to discuss his plans," she added.

Police only have powers to object to a music and alcohol licence being granted; they cannot object to the festival itself as it is being held on private land.

Melbourne Lefty
5th May 2009, 02:31
And THAT is why antifa actions work.

The police are strangely enough more than happy to help us out when it comes to banning fascist events if they suspect they will be asked to stand in between the BNP and the protesters.

The only thing I dont like is that our side doesnt seem to be getting enough out of it. The local Labour councillors will jump up and down and take the credit.

Fidel Follower
6th May 2009, 13:26
That is really good news. I'm fed up of them being on my doorstep.
It's vital that we remember all the good work that ANTIFA, and even some of the anti-fascist organisations that i can't bare to name...

However, if they do go ahead with it this year we need to be more organised to combat them.

Melbourne Lefty
7th May 2009, 02:58
However, if they do go ahead with it this year we need to be more organised to combat them.

How?

What should be done to shut down the RWB?

Another UAF march with 500 people in it?

Another standing wround wearing masks and getting arrested?

Is there something more definite that could be done?

Holden Caulfield
7th May 2009, 10:54
What should be done to shut down the RWB?

Another UAF march with 500 people in it?

Another standing wround wearing masks and getting arrested?

Is there something more definite that could be done?

The antifa action at last years RWB was a 'suicide' mission of sorts, around 100 people went down with the goal of making sure that the event was made unpopular with the authoritires, and unpleasant for the organisers. With the police presence they were aware it was a long shot to try and get in, and the surrounding terrain didn't help matters. Even if they had got into RWB they would still have had problems (i.e. not hurting any kids or what have you when/if they ran through the site). However even with the evens that did had happen, antifa can claim to have achieved a victory. The group had spoken to local people who had made clear their concerns or lodged public complaints, some of these people had been intimidted by 'skinheads' sitting outside their houses in a jeep, not offficially BNP but we can use our imaginations. The pressure on RWB from the organizers, the land ower, the authorities and antifascists has hindered the chances of RWB being what they want it to be, or even being at all (I can't give full details of next year but there is some info kicking around in this forum somewhere).

UAF could do something constructive to shut down the festival, or at least cause a headache for the cops and the fash (same thing! zing) by being more disruptive, or at least more so than last year when they hindered local left organisations and then turned up for a photo-op. By sitting down on an entrance road for the festival, by trying to put pressure on police lines to get closer or by something more inmaginative.

RWB should be met with antifascist respone in some form or another.

Fidel Follower
9th May 2009, 16:12
Well im no master mind of what could have been done.
However, the UAF could have worked together with other antifascist organisations instead of doing there only little thing and wanting to take the lime-light.
If it was for puplicity then so what? At least the local people and nice working-class chappies reading about how no one likes the BNP must be good?
But i agree, they needed to do something more.

Also, ANTIFA did i good job but they offered no real threat to the actual festival. I suggest more solid planning and more of them, lets start with the basics.

Oh and Holden what role did you play at this years RWB?