Morals vs. Politics

[Oktyabr]

Which one influences your choices in life more?

In my view:

Politics: what you think you should do based on the political line you assign yourself to

Morals: what you know you should do, even if it dissagrees with your "politics", and people thus look down on you for being a "traitor" to your ideology.

[F9]

Moved


Politics: what people want you to do

You decide your politics, there are your thought, and you are acting the way you want.If you disagree with a political line then you dont follow it.I cant follow your logic...

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[Holden Caulfield]

What are morals?
If somebody hits me should I turn the other cheek?
Should I be nice to my opressors?

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

If your politics are built up around what other people want you to do or belive then no offense - your politics are absolute shit streight out of the shit factory located in shhitsland , shitopia.

Morals are shit in arguments and only absolute freaks and idiots (and the religious of course whom are in no way a combination of the two groups previosly mentioned :rolleyes:) say "i find that immoral" since the response to that is always "so fucking what". My morals tend to change with my politics though someone might some bankers legs getting broken "imoral" and id be too busy laughing to say if i thought is was moral or not.

[Oktyabr]

What are morals?
If somebody hits me should I turn the other cheek?
Should I be nice to my opressors?

Morals is doing what is right, and to certain people, what you stated above are morals. However, to other people, it is un-moralistic to let people oppress you and punch you, etc. Thats why certain people let politics influence them more than morals or vice versa.

I'm looking for what holds higher influence among the left, devotion to their politics, or their ideas of right and wrong.

[Glenn Beck]

Politcs. We're partisan to the core and care about nothing but securing self-determination for the working class and oppressed people everywhere. I would add that politics are practical and engaged in the world while morals are private, individual, and thus will never have a reliable and lasting impact on the world. Morals may determine the goal that politics seek, in the case of Marxists the emancipation of the working-class from economic exploitation.

The problem with guiding oneself with abstract morality rather than political consciousness is that morality ignores the material realities of life and pretends to live in an "as if" wonderland. The reality is that we live in a world where there is a class that controls everything surrounded by a class that controls nothing and their interests do not intersect. One has to win and one has to lose, thus the only way to realize morality is through a principled and uncompromising politics. Which side are you on? If you say "neutral" you are on the side of the stronger force.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Surely what you find immoral will tie in with your political beliefs?

[FreeFocus]

My politics and my morals are one in the same. I am a socialist because I am a humanist and vice versa.

[Oktyabr]

Surely what you find immoral will tie in with your political beliefs?

However, one has to come first.

Some people decide what is right based on the politics that they follow. In that case, politics would mean more to them since they decided what they believed in.

Other people decide what politics to follow based on what they morally judge to be right or wrong. In this situation, morals are more important to them since it helped them decide what politics to follow.

[Oktyabr]

For me, it's morals because my morals tell me that forcing others to work for you is slavery, and since we are all human beings and deserve to be treated equally, capitalism is wrong.

My morals are based off of helping others to the best of my abilities, and thus I think we in the first world need to organize ourselves to help those in the third world. Basically, establishing a new world order built on mutual aid and unity.

[STJ]

My politics and my morals are the same.

[Pogue]

My politics and morals are the same, really. Theres nothing I'd have to do as an libertarian socialist that'd contradict my morals and nothing in my morals which contradicts libertarian socialism.

[hugsandmarxism]

What STJ said.

[Oktyabr]

This is interesting. I always believed that politics and morals were separate, yet here they seem to come hand in hand.