what has happened to dead prez? - are they on another label? [Archive]

Lardlad95

5th October 2002, 18:54

Quote: from InnocentCivilian on 6:12 pm on Oct. 5, 2002
what happened to dead prez? lets get free was one of the most aware albums i've ever bought and in my opinion were the (along with public enemy) only good hip-hop artists. if anyone knows where i can get some information from any where it would be much appreciated. thanks

I can't tell you where they are but I can tell you while they are good they aren't the only good hip hop artists

Mos Def
Talib Kweli
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
Dialated Peoples
The coup

and many more are incredible

(all of these artists are underground.concious hip hop none of them are on MTV or BET...well Kweli was on BET but only to promote a new album)

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 6:55 pm on Oct. 5, 2002)

InnocentCivilian

5th October 2002, 19:17

i am very aware of the artists you just mentioned however none hit me as much as dead prez perhaps with the exception of Mos Def. but its the same story with him! he has been quiet for a while. isn't releasing an album with his rock band black jack johnson or something?

5th October 2002, 21:18

Mos Def was on the latest Sound Bombing with his rock band.

He's a busy man, though. He's been doing a lot of acting lately I think.

As for Dead Prez, no clue.

And the fucking coup suck!!! I like their message but I bought Party Music and musically its a piece of shit!!!

j

RevWillNotBTelevised

5th October 2002, 22:20

"(all of these artists are underground.concious hip hop none of them are on MTV or BET...well Kweli was on BET but only to promote a new album)"

Dude. All of them are on mtv 'cept the coup (TEY KICK ASS!!!!!!!)

Lardlad95

6th October 2002, 00:01

Quote: from RevWillNotBTelevised on 10:20 pm on Oct. 5, 2002
"(all of these artists are underground.concious hip hop none of them are on MTV or BET...well Kweli was on BET but only to promote a new album)"

Dude. All of them are on mtv 'cept the coup (TEY KICK ASS!!!!!!!)

MTV2 showed one of the Root's concerts

but it's not like they are on TRL

Mos Def was on the Hip Hopera: Carmen

Talib has never been on MTV

Dialated People's video played like twice on MTV2

what I meant was that none of them are part of POp culture like Ja Rule or Ludacirs (who all suck)

They have been on MTV once or twice that doesn't mean they are "ON" MTV

Yeah Mos Def is releasing something with black jack johnson but it wont be out for a while

Right now I'm waiting for the Roots' new album and Kweli's new album

I like teh Coup but compared to The Roots, Mos Def and kweli they aren't shit

and I can't see how Tribe Called Quest can't hit you

they are like the fuckin God's of hip hop

RevWillNotBTelevised

6th October 2002, 20:59

the fuckin gods of hiphop are prolly jurassic 5, blackalicous, and the roots.

abstractmentality

6th October 2002, 21:31

Quote: from RevWillNotBTelevised on 12:59 pm on Oct. 6, 2002
the fuckin gods of hiphop are prolly jurassic 5

just letting all know, i am going to buy tickets today to go see jurassic 5 and planet asia in san francisco for next sunday. this should be awesome.

Lardlad95

7th October 2002, 00:42

Quote: from RevWillNotBTelevised on 8:59 pm on Oct. 6, 2002
the fuckin gods of hiphop are prolly jurassic 5, blackalicous, and the roots.

Yeah blackalicious is ill the roots to and J5 but still Tribe called quest....man thats like...man it's like the whole fuckin fuckin damn whole great hip hop blow your mind fantastic incredible damn

And Abstact I wanna hear some planet asia but I never downloaded any iI was planning on doing

and J5 is cool but Cut Chemist is in my opnion weak

canikickit

7th October 2002, 05:12

Jurassic 5 are deadly.

So are Company Flow.
I have never seen anybody mention them here.

They are the greatest hip hop group since Puffy!
nah, the're good, really.

abstractmentality

7th October 2002, 07:54

Lardlad:
Cut Chemist weak? wow, i have never heard anybody call him that. the last time i saw them in concert, he and numark had two sets together, and they were great. numark played the drums and cut chemist mixed songs in perfectley with numarks playing of the drums. then he "cut" it up fucking awesome. then he later came on stage with a record player around his neck, scratching on that. that shit made me and my friends bring out hands to our mouths in awe.

ill make sure to post what other crazy shit they do at this concert.

planet asia is amazing too. i havent heard a lot of his stuff in depth, but i have heard some of it casually, and a few things in depth. if he performs like he sounds on record, he should rip the mic!

8th October 2002, 04:00

Talib Kweli has too been on MTV. Not on heavy rotation but he's on there. That song where the hook goes "Kweli" and he's singing in the rain. It's actually more played on BET--that song was on 106 & Park's countdown for awhile, there.

BlackStar was also a BET favorite for awhile. (RapCity).

Talib and Mos Def have been on MTV news, etc. Mos Def was also in that weird movie that was made for MTV with Byonce. Lyricst Lounge was also on MTV for awhile starring Mighty Mos Def.

Anyway, anyone ever heard of Kardinal Offishal?? Now that's the shit!!

j

ps-the reason the coup have never been on mtv or bet is because their music fucking sucks. I think it has little to do with their politics.

ovrproofmentalz

8th October 2002, 04:34

Dead Prez are still signed to LOUD RECORDS as long as i know.... they were touring africa last i heard... so watch out for the next album

ovrproofmentalz

8th October 2002, 04:36

KARDINAL IS THE LIK RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!! check out the concious tune MAN BY CHOICE.... that's some badness right there speakin the the truth... toronto hip hop is doin it on the concious tip, dan-eo, saukrates, solitaire, citizen kane all spit some nice anti gangsta stuff..

Lardlad95

8th October 2002, 12:04

Quote: from j on 4:00 am on Oct. 8, 2002
Talib Kweli has too been on MTV. Not on heavy rotation but he's on there. That song where the hook goes "Kweli" and he's singing in the rain. It's actually more played on BET--that song was on 106 & Park's countdown for awhile, there.

BlackStar was also a BET favorite for awhile. (RapCity).

Talib and Mos Def have been on MTV news, etc. Mos Def was also in that weird movie that was made for MTV with Byonce. Lyricst Lounge was also on MTV for awhile starring Mighty Mos Def.

Anyway, anyone ever heard of Kardinal Offishal?? Now that's the shit!!

j

ps-the reason the coup have never been on mtv or bet is because their music fucking sucks. I think it has little to do with their politics.

most of this stuff I already said

and Abstract I'm talkin about their studio weak

Alchemist makes better tracks the beat junkies are better DJs

you ever hear the of the bumrush boys or somethin like that?

It's Dj Babu and dude from the beatjunkies

ovrproofmentalz

8th October 2002, 15:20

in terms of beats, dj premier, large professor, and pete rock hold the title... no one can come close....

abstractmentality

8th October 2002, 17:52

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 4:04 am on Oct. 8, 2002

and Abstract I'm talkin about their studio weak

Alchemist makes better tracks the beat junkies are better DJs

you ever hear the of the bumrush boys or somethin like that?

It's Dj Babu and dude from the beatjunkies

cant say that i have heard of the bumrush boys. i may have to check out some of their stuff.

man, i dig jurassic 5's beats. i can chill to those for hours. they just have a different sound. the typical babu beat and j5 beat are on different scales. i can dig both though.

anything with the beat junkies in it is going to be tight. i saw them in concert as well, and that was soe crazy shit. a whole bunch of Djs lined up on stage doing there thing, it was cool.

feartheleader

8th October 2002, 22:19

Yeah , back to Dead Prez, they are supposed to have a new cd by January 19th. The last that I remember it will be called "People's Radio" but I do believe that they changed the title in a recent article I've read. Hopefully the cd will drop on this date, it was orignally supossed to come out last may, but that never happened

Lardlad95

8th October 2002, 22:29

Quote: from abstractmentality on 5:52 pm on Oct. 8, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 4:04 am on Oct. 8, 2002

and Abstract I'm talkin about their studio weak

Alchemist makes better tracks the beat junkies are better DJs

you ever hear the of the bumrush boys or somethin like that?

It's Dj Babu and dude from the beatjunkies

cant say that i have heard of the bumrush boys. i may have to check out some of their stuff.

man, i dig jurassic 5's beats. i can chill to those for hours. they just have a different sound. the typical babu beat and j5 beat are on different scales. i can dig both though.

anything with the beat junkies in it is going to be tight. i saw them in concert as well, and that was soe crazy shit. a whole bunch of Djs lined up on stage doing there thing, it was cool.

It may not be the bumrush boys it may be the bumrush brothers or something

But the Beat Junkies are still ill

Yeah who'da thougfht a bunch of Dj's could actually make a group

I'm still waiting to buy that Dj equipment

don't you already have some

9th October 2002, 02:31

O- I'm with you on the beats. Pete Rock and Premo have it on lock down. No one can see them.

Kardi is nice. The only other Toronto rap I've heard is Choclair. He's cool but not as tight as Kardinal. Man by Choice is amazing but check out the second to last track on firestarter. I forget the name of it but its hot.

j

abstractmentality

9th October 2002, 03:57

LL:
my friend had some, but nothing to actually Dj in front of a crowd of people, just something to mess around with ie. just good enough to learn on. he has geminis that are belt driven, and a weak ass mixer. usually you can have it half and half on the headphones, but on this one, it was either one or the other, so you had to blast the music to get the snares right in your mind. if you know that you want to stay with it, buy something that is directley driven (NO BELTS!) and get a mixer that you can do everything you want to do. dont settle because later you will regret it. i dont know much on the Djing level, but i have tried it for many an hour, and thats about it.

"Premier brings the beats..." i dig some gangstarr. does anyone have Guru's Jazzmataz? I have wanted to pick that one up for a long time, but never got around to getting it. i have been curious as to what it sounds like and if its good.

BOZG

9th October 2002, 07:57

I've been wanting to pick up Jazzmatazz aswell. I can't remember which one, but one of them is more Jazz influenced than the other as far as I know.

Lardlad95

9th October 2002, 12:27

Quote: from abstractmentality on 3:57 am on Oct. 9, 2002
LL:
my friend had some, but nothing to actually Dj in front of a crowd of people, just something to mess around with ie. just good enough to learn on. he has geminis that are belt driven, and a weak ass mixer. usually you can have it half and half on the headphones, but on this one, it was either one or the other, so you had to blast the music to get the snares right in your mind. if you know that you want to stay with it, buy something that is directley driven (NO BELTS!) and get a mixer that you can do everything you want to do. dont settle because later you will regret it. i dont know much on the Djing level, but i have tried it for many an hour, and thats about it.

"Premier brings the beats..." i dig some gangstarr. does anyone have Guru's Jazzmataz? I have wanted to pick that one up for a long time, but never got around to getting it. i have been curious as to what it sounds like and if its good.

yeah Iknow I've talked to some Dj's and they all tlak about how belt driven sucks

most of them us technics

abstractmentality

11th October 2002, 07:25

nobody actually has Jazzmataz? the reason i ask is because i went to see the Visionaries a while back, and they were the headliners (if you have never heard of them, they are an underground hip-hop group, not very well known), so that gives you an idea of who else played on that night. anyways, inbetween acts, this DJ came up by the name of ESP, and he played these records that had a fast jazz element with hard breaks, and it was awesome. i have been looking for anything by this person, but have been unsucessful. and i was wondering if gurus jazzmataz was similar to it.

(Edited by abstractmentality at 11:26 pm on Oct. 10, 2002)

Dan Majerle

11th October 2002, 15:46

BOZG

11th October 2002, 17:50

Dan, you must have a great sense of humour.

Lardlad95

11th October 2002, 21:52

Quote: from Dan Majerle on 3:46 pm on Oct. 11, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 6:54 pm on Oct. 5, 2002

Quote: from InnocentCivilian on 6:12 pm on Oct. 5, 2002
what happened to dead prez? lets get free was one of the most aware albums i've ever bought and in my opinion were the (along with public enemy) only good hip-hop artists. if anyone knows where i can get some information from any where it would be much appreciated. thanks

I can't tell you where they are but I can tell you while they are good they aren't the only good hip hop artists

Mos Def
Talib Kweli
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
Dialated Peoples
The coup

and many more are incredible

(all of these artists are underground.concious hip hop none of them are on MTV or BET...well Kweli was on BET but only to promote a new album)

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 6:55 pm on Oct. 5, 2002)

I have to disagree with your definition of good rap groups and artists.

First off the best rapper is definitely Snoop Doggy Dogg, followed by 2pac, Warren G, Dr. Dre, DMX, etc
NWA are pretty good, dogg pound were good. But Snoop and 2pac were the greatest period. Eminem sucks.

I gotta agree with Zappata...are you joking Dan?

All the people you listed were good but they can't fuck with the people i mentioned...maybe Dialated.

besides DMX has one good song

abstractmentality

12th October 2002, 00:38

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 1:52 pm on Oct. 11, 2002
All the people you listed were good but they can't fuck with the people i mentioned...maybe Dialated.

maybe dilated? oh hell nah! dilated would eat up all of the above listed, with the possible exception of snoop who, unbelievably, has freestyling ability. But they also would not get eaten up by snoop, sort of an even thing with him, but thats only a possibility.

oh yea, just to let all know, i didnt get the jurassic 5 and planet asia tickets, they were sold out. im pissed!

Lardlad95

12th October 2002, 01:03

Quote: from abstractmentality on 12:38 am on Oct. 12, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 1:52 pm on Oct. 11, 2002
All the people you listed were good but they can't fuck with the people i mentioned...maybe Dialated.

maybe dilated? oh hell nah! dilated would eat up all of the above listed, with the possible exception of snoop who, unbelievably, has freestyling ability. But they also would not get eaten up by snoop, sort of an even thing with him, but thats only a possibility.

oh yea, just to let all know, i didnt get the jurassic 5 and planet asia tickets, they were sold out. im pissed!

here's what you do get a chauffer's license and pretend to drive J5's limo then bring them to my house I'll hold them for ransom and we both get the money

abstractmentality

12th October 2002, 01:25

have you seen how big tuna fish is? that guy is huge. he will kick my ass!

beyond that, nice plan. ill get tickets next time.

Lardlad95

12th October 2002, 02:11

Quote: from abstractmentality on 1:25 am on Oct. 12, 2002
have you seen how big tuna fish is? that guy is huge. he will kick my ass!

beyond that, nice plan. ill get tickets next time.

atleast you can get tickets no one comes here but goddamn lil bow wow and who the fuck wants to see him?

The Roots went to Milwaukee and we missed it I'm so damn mad

12th October 2002, 18:00

Jazzmatazz has like 3 volumes. They are all really good. The first one is definitly more on the jazz tip but the latest one (2000 release i think) is hot too. I don't know about a "fast jazz element" but the beats are hard--the way i like em. It's really a good fusion of jazz and hip hop. It's on a different level than like Us3 or Digable Planets. Guru gets a lot of really cool people on his Jazzmatazz albums--every song is a different artist. I can not believe people here have a shitty album like the coup but not Jazzmatazz--that is sickening.

As for the belt-driven turntables--they fucking suck!!! The whole problem is you can't manipulate the record. Try scratching on it and the needle jumps all over the place. Direct allows you to maninpulate the record i.e. scratch. So if you just wanna play a record then belts are cool but if you want to scratch and manipulate you MUST get direct drive. Whoever said get a technics was right on. Go with the classic 1200s or any edition of the 1200s--they are what work best. If I'm not mistaken there are a bunch of 1200s that have a red light on them at the point of the needle cartridge to help you see where exactly the part of the song you need to pull back or forth on is. Anyway, I'm not much of a DJ but I know people and Technics 1200s are the shit.

j

Lardlad95

12th October 2002, 18:25

Quote: from j on 6:00 pm on Oct. 12, 2002
Jazzmatazz has like 3 volumes. They are all really good. The first one is definitly more on the jazz tip but the latest one (2000 release i think) is hot too. I don't know about a "fast jazz element" but the beats are hard--the way i like em. It's really a good fusion of jazz and hip hop. It's on a different level than like Us3 or Digable Planets. Guru gets a lot of really cool people on his Jazzmatazz albums--every song is a different artist. I can not believe people here have a shitty album like the coup but not Jazzmatazz--that is sickening.

As for the belt-driven turntables--they fucking suck!!! The whole problem is you can't manipulate the record. Try scratching on it and the needle jumps all over the place. Direct allows you to maninpulate the record i.e. scratch. So if you just wanna play a record then belts are cool but if you want to scratch and manipulate you MUST get direct drive. Whoever said get a technics was right on. Go with the classic 1200s or any edition of the 1200s--they are what work best. If I'm not mistaken there are a bunch of 1200s that have a red light on them at the point of the needle cartridge to help you see where exactly the part of the song you need to pull back or forth on is. Anyway, I'm not much of a DJ but I know people and Technics 1200s are the shit.

j

but they are so damn expensive

abstractmentality

12th October 2002, 22:06

a friend of mine was going to sell me two technics 1200's, a coughin, a mixer, and a tape deck for 700 bucks a while back, but i didnt have the money. its a hell of a deal, needles and all. yea, the scratching on belt driven is difficult. if you have enough weight on the needles, it can be done to a certain extent, but not much.

J - i think the next cd i buy is going to be gurus first jazzmatazz. its been bugging me to get it for the longest, and i think im just going to break down and pick it up. thanx for the info.

Lardlad95

12th October 2002, 23:45

Quote: from abstractmentality on 10:06 pm on Oct. 12, 2002
a friend of mine was going to sell me two technics 1200's, a coughin, a mixer, and a tape deck for 700 bucks a while back, but i didnt have the money. its a hell of a deal, needles and all. yea, the scratching on belt driven is difficult. if you have enough weight on the needles, it can be done to a certain extent, but not much.

J - i think the next cd i buy is going to be gurus first jazzmatazz. its been bugging me to get it for the longest, and i think im just going to break down and pick it up. thanx for the info.

you could have fuckin leased it or somethin like that

made an installment plan or something I'm so very very ashamed of you abstract :)

Overdose

13th October 2002, 07:52

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 6:54 pm on Oct. 5, 2002

Quote: from InnocentCivilian on 6:12 pm on Oct. 5, 2002
what happened to dead prez? lets get free was one of the most aware albums i've ever bought and in my opinion were the (along with public enemy) only good hip-hop artists. if anyone knows where i can get some information from any where it would be much appreciated. thanks

I can't tell you where they are but I can tell you while they are good they aren't the only good hip hop artists

Mos Def
Talib Kweli
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
Dialated Peoples
The coup

and many more are incredible

(all of these artists are underground.concious hip hop none of them are on MTV or BET...well Kweli was on BET but only to promote a new album)

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 6:55 pm on Oct. 5, 2002)

Mos Def is CONSTANTLY on MTV and BET. You obviously don't watch a lot of either because Mos Def starred in an MTV original film/"hip hopera" that was very popoular. His latest single for the movie Brown Sugar premiered on Direct Effect last week, his song "Oh No" was extremely popular on MTV as well as BET, and it even reached TRL. "Ms. Fat Booty" as well was also vaguely played on MTV and BET.

Talib Kweli is also on MTV and BET a lot, the song "The Blast" is played on a regular basis, and his latest single "Waitin for the DJ" is played a lot on BET.

The Roots aren't played as much as Mos Def and Kweli, but to say they played in the concert ON MTV for Jay-Z, and they weren't just in the background, they were properly introduced and well known. Their song "Proceed" is probably the most played song as well as many others... there is also a lot of hype about their new album on BET.

A Tribe Called Quest is played a lot on BET, and on one of MTV's offspring channels called MTV Jams, stricly dedicated to hip hop. ATCQ is played on a daily basis on MTV Jams, and Q-Tip got a lot of attention with his solo album.

What do you think makes an artist "underground"? Because they don't appear on MTV or BET makes them concious and underground? I'm not saying the artists you mentioned aren't underground, but your understanding of underground seems to be off. Too many artists think that they are underground because they spearhead commercial rap, that doesn't do it. Not appearing on MTV and BET makes you no concious rapper. Popular artists such as Nelly and Ja Rule hadn't seen MTV for years while their career was starting, and they sure as hell weren't concious. It's another thing if you are not appearing on these channels for a cause, but you should check your facts.

Lardlad95

13th October 2002, 14:52

Quote: from Overdose on 7:52 am on Oct. 13, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 6:54 pm on Oct. 5, 2002

Quote: from InnocentCivilian on 6:12 pm on Oct. 5, 2002
what happened to dead prez? lets get free was one of the most aware albums i've ever bought and in my opinion were the (along with public enemy) only good hip-hop artists. if anyone knows where i can get some information from any where it would be much appreciated. thanks

I can't tell you where they are but I can tell you while they are good they aren't the only good hip hop artists

Mos Def
Talib Kweli
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
Dialated Peoples
The coup

and many more are incredible

(all of these artists are underground.concious hip hop none of them are on MTV or BET...well Kweli was on BET but only to promote a new album)

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 6:55 pm on Oct. 5, 2002)

Mos Def is CONSTANTLY on MTV and BET. You obviously don't watch a lot of either because Mos Def starred in an MTV original film/"hip hopera" that was very popoular. His latest single for the movie Brown Sugar premiered on Direct Effect last week, his song "Oh No" was extremely popular on MTV as well as BET, and it even reached TRL. "Ms. Fat Booty" as well was also vaguely played on MTV and BET.

Talib Kweli is also on MTV and BET a lot, the song "The Blast" is played on a regular basis, and his latest single "Waitin for the DJ" is played a lot on BET.

The Roots aren't played as much as Mos Def and Kweli, but to say they played in the concert ON MTV for Jay-Z, and they weren't just in the background, they were properly introduced and well known. Their song "Proceed" is probably the most played song as well as many others... there is also a lot of hype about their new album on BET.

A Tribe Called Quest is played a lot on BET, and on one of MTV's offspring channels called MTV Jams, stricly dedicated to hip hop. ATCQ is played on a daily basis on MTV Jams, and Q-Tip got a lot of attention with his solo album.

What do you think makes an artist "underground"? Because they don't appear on MTV or BET makes them concious and underground? I'm not saying the artists you mentioned aren't underground, but your understanding of underground seems to be off. Too many artists think that they are underground because they spearhead commercial rap, that doesn't do it. Not appearing on MTV and BET makes you no concious rapper. Popular artists such as Nelly and Ja Rule hadn't seen MTV for years while their career was starting, and they sure as hell weren't concious. It's another thing if you are not appearing on these channels for a cause, but you should check your facts.

obviously your extra quick to jump to conclusion postin ass doesn't read all the way through a muthafuckin thread he aint even been in up until now

cuz I just said everything you said later in the thread

talkin bout me checkin my muthafuckin facts

don't step to lardlad unless you got your a game son.

abstractmentality

13th October 2002, 19:16

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 3:45 pm on Oct. 12, 2002

Quote: from abstractmentality on 10:06 pm on Oct. 12, 2002
a friend of mine was going to sell me two technics 1200's, a coughin, a mixer, and a tape deck for 700 bucks a while back, but i didnt have the money. its a hell of a deal, needles and all. yea, the scratching on belt driven is difficult. if you have enough weight on the needles, it can be done to a certain extent, but not much.

J - i think the next cd i buy is going to be gurus first jazzmatazz. its been bugging me to get it for the longest, and i think im just going to break down and pick it up. thanx for the info.

you could have fuckin leased it or somethin like that

made an installment plan or something I'm so very very ashamed of you abstract :)

yea, if i had some money i didnt mind spending, i would have picked them up in about 2 seconds. but, i was trying to get some stuff for my lab top for when i moved away, and some other things, so i didnt think it would be practical to buy them then. besides, im in a dorm now, i dont have enough room for an amp, two turntables and a coughin.

Lardlad95

13th October 2002, 20:35

Quote: from abstractmentality on 7:16 pm on Oct. 13, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 3:45 pm on Oct. 12, 2002

Quote: from abstractmentality on 10:06 pm on Oct. 12, 2002
a friend of mine was going to sell me two technics 1200's, a coughin, a mixer, and a tape deck for 700 bucks a while back, but i didnt have the money. its a hell of a deal, needles and all. yea, the scratching on belt driven is difficult. if you have enough weight on the needles, it can be done to a certain extent, but not much.

J - i think the next cd i buy is going to be gurus first jazzmatazz. its been bugging me to get it for the longest, and i think im just going to break down and pick it up. thanx for the info.

you could have fuckin leased it or somethin like that

made an installment plan or something I'm so very very ashamed of you abstract :)

yea, if i had some money i didnt mind spending, i would have picked them up in about 2 seconds. but, i was trying to get some stuff for my lab top for when i moved away, and some other things, so i didnt think it would be practical to buy them then. besides, im in a dorm now, i dont have enough room for an amp, two turntables and a coughin.

kick one of the roomates out thats a good bit of space

Overdose

13th October 2002, 21:33

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 2:52 pm on Oct. 13, 2002

Quote: from Overdose on 7:52 am on Oct. 13, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 6:54 pm on Oct. 5, 2002

Quote: from InnocentCivilian on 6:12 pm on Oct. 5, 2002
what happened to dead prez? lets get free was one of the most aware albums i've ever bought and in my opinion were the (along with public enemy) only good hip-hop artists. if anyone knows where i can get some information from any where it would be much appreciated. thanks

I can't tell you where they are but I can tell you while they are good they aren't the only good hip hop artists

Mos Def
Talib Kweli
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
Dialated Peoples
The coup

and many more are incredible

(all of these artists are underground.concious hip hop none of them are on MTV or BET...well Kweli was on BET but only to promote a new album)

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 6:55 pm on Oct. 5, 2002)

Mos Def is CONSTANTLY on MTV and BET. You obviously don't watch a lot of either because Mos Def starred in an MTV original film/"hip hopera" that was very popoular. His latest single for the movie Brown Sugar premiered on Direct Effect last week, his song "Oh No" was extremely popular on MTV as well as BET, and it even reached TRL. "Ms. Fat Booty" as well was also vaguely played on MTV and BET.

Talib Kweli is also on MTV and BET a lot, the song "The Blast" is played on a regular basis, and his latest single "Waitin for the DJ" is played a lot on BET.

The Roots aren't played as much as Mos Def and Kweli, but to say they played in the concert ON MTV for Jay-Z, and they weren't just in the background, they were properly introduced and well known. Their song "Proceed" is probably the most played song as well as many others... there is also a lot of hype about their new album on BET.

A Tribe Called Quest is played a lot on BET, and on one of MTV's offspring channels called MTV Jams, stricly dedicated to hip hop. ATCQ is played on a daily basis on MTV Jams, and Q-Tip got a lot of attention with his solo album.

What do you think makes an artist "underground"? Because they don't appear on MTV or BET makes them concious and underground? I'm not saying the artists you mentioned aren't underground, but your understanding of underground seems to be off. Too many artists think that they are underground because they spearhead commercial rap, that doesn't do it. Not appearing on MTV and BET makes you no concious rapper. Popular artists such as Nelly and Ja Rule hadn't seen MTV for years while their career was starting, and they sure as hell weren't concious. It's another thing if you are not appearing on these channels for a cause, but you should check your facts.

obviously your extra quick to jump to conclusion postin ass doesn't read all the way through a muthafuckin thread he aint even been in up until now

cuz I just said everything you said later in the thread

talkin bout me checkin my muthafuckin facts

don't step to lardlad unless you got your a game son.

Ah, my bad, I skimmed the thread but didn't read the part where you corrected yourself. I'd like to hear more about what you think is underground though.

Lardlad95

14th October 2002, 00:26

Quote: from Overdose on 9:33 pm on Oct. 13, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 2:52 pm on Oct. 13, 2002

Quote: from Overdose on 7:52 am on Oct. 13, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 6:54 pm on Oct. 5, 2002

Quote: from InnocentCivilian on 6:12 pm on Oct. 5, 2002
what happened to dead prez? lets get free was one of the most aware albums i've ever bought and in my opinion were the (along with public enemy) only good hip-hop artists. if anyone knows where i can get some information from any where it would be much appreciated. thanks

I can't tell you where they are but I can tell you while they are good they aren't the only good hip hop artists

Mos Def
Talib Kweli
The Roots
Tribe Called Quest
Dialated Peoples
The coup

and many more are incredible

(all of these artists are underground.concious hip hop none of them are on MTV or BET...well Kweli was on BET but only to promote a new album)

(Edited by Lardlad95 at 6:55 pm on Oct. 5, 2002)

Mos Def is CONSTANTLY on MTV and BET. You obviously don't watch a lot of either because Mos Def starred in an MTV original film/"hip hopera" that was very popoular. His latest single for the movie Brown Sugar premiered on Direct Effect last week, his song "Oh No" was extremely popular on MTV as well as BET, and it even reached TRL. "Ms. Fat Booty" as well was also vaguely played on MTV and BET.

Talib Kweli is also on MTV and BET a lot, the song "The Blast" is played on a regular basis, and his latest single "Waitin for the DJ" is played a lot on BET.

The Roots aren't played as much as Mos Def and Kweli, but to say they played in the concert ON MTV for Jay-Z, and they weren't just in the background, they were properly introduced and well known. Their song "Proceed" is probably the most played song as well as many others... there is also a lot of hype about their new album on BET.

A Tribe Called Quest is played a lot on BET, and on one of MTV's offspring channels called MTV Jams, stricly dedicated to hip hop. ATCQ is played on a daily basis on MTV Jams, and Q-Tip got a lot of attention with his solo album.

What do you think makes an artist "underground"? Because they don't appear on MTV or BET makes them concious and underground? I'm not saying the artists you mentioned aren't underground, but your understanding of underground seems to be off. Too many artists think that they are underground because they spearhead commercial rap, that doesn't do it. Not appearing on MTV and BET makes you no concious rapper. Popular artists such as Nelly and Ja Rule hadn't seen MTV for years while their career was starting, and they sure as hell weren't concious. It's another thing if you are not appearing on these channels for a cause, but you should check your facts.

obviously your extra quick to jump to conclusion postin ass doesn't read all the way through a muthafuckin thread he aint even been in up until now

cuz I just said everything you said later in the thread

talkin bout me checkin my muthafuckin facts

don't step to lardlad unless you got your a game son.

Ah, my bad, I skimmed the thread but didn't read the part where you corrected yourself. I'd like to hear more about what you think is underground though.

I mean anything opposed to what popular hip hop has evolved or rather devolved into

anything the majority does'nt listen to but should.

If I asked the 2200 kids in my school who the Roots were I think maybe four could tell me

cuz technically anyone who hasn't been signed is "underground"

Overdose

15th October 2002, 04:30

Damn... my middle school of 700 people had tons of underground hip hop heads, it was a big rebellious schoool of punks and hip hop heads -- loved it.

Lardlad95

15th October 2002, 04:32

Quote: from Overdose on 4:30 am on Oct. 15, 2002
Damn... my middle school of 700 people had tons of underground hip hop heads, it was a big rebellious schoool of punks and hip hop heads -- loved it.

everyone is lucky but me..God hates me...or he just likes everyone else better

perception

15th October 2002, 15:14

who cares what's underground, what's not, listen to what you like to listen to.

I used to be about that shit (that's not hip hop, that's rap, blah blah blah....) but fukk it the underground tha aboveground tha middle ground they all sound weak as fukk right now. I bought like 4 cd's last year. I used to buy a new one every other tuesday.

Lardlad95

15th October 2002, 22:52

Quote: from perception on 3:14 pm on Oct. 15, 2002
who cares what's underground, what's not, listen to what you like to listen to.

I used to be about that shit (that's not hip hop, that's rap, blah blah blah....) but fukk it the underground tha aboveground tha middle ground they all sound weak as fukk right now. I bought like 4 cd's last year. I used to buy a new one every other tuesday.

yeah thats great..now moving on to someone's opinion that actually matters.

Seriously though

it's sad that you've given up on hip hop

but honestly I don't thik you could be more wrong

but you have a right to your opinion

16th October 2002, 02:53

overdose-why do you have the fucking coup for an avatar? The coup fucking suck!!!!!!! Good politics, bad music!!

Don't tell me about what's good hip hop, or anything about hip hop with that stupid fucking avatar!!!

j

perception

16th October 2002, 15:25

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:52 pm on Oct. 15, 2002

Quote: from perception on 3:14 pm on Oct. 15, 2002
who cares what's underground, what's not, listen to what you like to listen to.

I used to be about that shit (that's not hip hop, that's rap, blah blah blah....) but fukk it the underground tha aboveground tha middle ground they all sound weak as fukk right now. I bought like 4 cd's last year. I used to buy a new one every other tuesday.

yeah thats great..now moving on to someone's opinion that actually matters.

Seriously though

it's sad that you've given up on hip hop

but honestly I don't thik you could be more wrong

but you have a right to your opinion

I never said I gave it up, dog

I just wish they were puttin out sh1t that I could feel. I still listen to Mos Def and Kwali, Blackalicious, the coup and dead Prez, Mr. Lif, etc. but I just think the fukking quality level is plummeting with each passing year.

Lardlad95

17th October 2002, 00:22

Quote: from perception on 3:25 pm on Oct. 16, 2002

Quote: from Lardlad95 on 10:52 pm on Oct. 15, 2002

Quote: from perception on 3:14 pm on Oct. 15, 2002
who cares what's underground, what's not, listen to what you like to listen to.

I used to be about that shit (that's not hip hop, that's rap, blah blah blah....) but fukk it the underground tha aboveground tha middle ground they all sound weak as fukk right now. I bought like 4 cd's last year. I used to buy a new one every other tuesday.

yeah thats great..now moving on to someone's opinion that actually matters.

Seriously though

it's sad that you've given up on hip hop

but honestly I don't thik you could be more wrong

but you have a right to your opinion

I never said I gave it up, dog

I just wish they were puttin out sh1t that I could feel. I still listen to Mos Def and Kwali, Blackalicious, the coup and dead Prez, Mr. Lif, etc. but I just think the fukking quality level is plummeting with each passing year.

Well Kweli's new album is out on Nov. 19

The roots out on Nov 26.

2pacs out on Nov. 26th (how he still makes album's despite being dead amazes me)

Slum Village released Trinity I heard that was good

Jurassic Five has got A new album

Blazing Arrow by Blackalicious i out

all this albums are reportadly good

ovrproofmentalz

17th October 2002, 18:58

lardlad....

hip hop has fell off dramatically since 1989-1996 era....

those days straight classic albums were coming out every week.....
wu tang (plus any of their 1st solo joints), krs 1, nas (illmatic & it was written), the roots (organix, do you want more, illadelph halflife), common, das efx, mobb deep, pete rock & cl smooth, group home, jeru the damaja, gangstarr, public enemy, m.o.p., blackmoon, smif n wesson, fab 5, rakim, tupac, big l, biggie, redman, tupac, def squad, leaders of the new school, arrested development, and so on..... the list is almost endless, plus all the west coast joints were on point too...

nowadays the only new heads i like since then are:
mos def
talib
last emporer
dead prez
ras kass

everything else im not really feeling....

Lardlad95

18th October 2002, 02:32

I see what you are sayin It has dropped dramaticaly

However you can't just assume shit aint good you gotta search for it.

Also you didn't Like "Things Fall Apart"?

Personally I thought it was better than Organix,

Water off Phrenology is cool, but it's kinda huanting.

I still think some people put out generally good music. The Roots, Outkast.

I mean Outkast has been consistantly good they haven't sold out

the Nappy Roots are pretty good.

even nas has some okay shit but when he signed with Murda Inc he lost all credibility

don't give up..just search deeper in that Cd store

ovrproofmentalz

19th October 2002, 03:13

things fall apart was ill... but i refered to the time period... hip hop was at its best... no materialistic bullshit... either you gutta, gangsta or consious... no median bullshit like now, you was real or you wasnt... thats why im sad that i dont see emcees wearing black panther t-shirts with army fatigues in videos... those were the days... my people were holdin it down, wasnt about the money... people were holdin it down for the love of the artform.... thats all... and dont assume either that i dont look for quality hip hop, brother i know some serious underground stuff most underground heads never heard of.... rasco, ghetto concept, dan eo, marvel, solitair, dl, kathcphraze, monolith, grimace, m-eezee, bonez, black market prophets

Lardlad95

19th October 2002, 03:59

Quote: from ovrproofmentalz on 3:13 am on Oct. 19, 2002
things fall apart was ill... but i refered to the time period... hip hop was at its best... no materialistic bullshit... either you gutta, gangsta or consious... no median bullshit like now, you was real or you wasnt... thats why im sad that i dont see emcees wearing black panther t-shirts with army fatigues in videos... those were the days... my people were holdin it down, wasnt about the money... people were holdin it down for the love of the artform.... thats all... and dont assume either that i dont look for quality hip hop, brother i know some serious underground stuff most underground heads never heard of.... rasco, ghetto concept, dan eo, marvel, solitair, dl, kathcphraze, monolith, grimace, m-eezee, bonez, black market prophets

actually I've heard monolith and black market phophets

haven't heard that much though.

I see what you are saying it is alot about the money.

but I gotta say something that ?uestlove of the Roots told me (It was on his website)

"I love hip hop with all my heart, but you crazy if you think I'm not doin this to pay the bills"

what he meant was that it should be about the art, but if you make it a career you aren't in it to lose money.

This doesn't justify all the heads out there doin it simply to get paid.

However I think we get to caught up in commercial and underground

I hate most commercial rap...but it's good to keep an open mind

for instance I hate DMX, but his song "Who We BE"

was actually good

Some underground artists suck...some commercial artists are good.

Just as long as you don't throw away your ideals you'll be fine

Overdose

20th October 2002, 04:05

Quote: from j on 2:53 am on Oct. 16, 2002
overdose-why do you have the fucking coup for an avatar? The coup fucking suck!!!!!!! Good politics, bad music!!

Don't tell me about what's good hip hop, or anything about hip hop with that stupid fucking avatar!!!

j

Maybe I have The Coup as an avatar because I LIKE THEM? The Coup have a great message and can combine it with great music, why do you think The Coup suck?

20th October 2002, 17:46

The Coup suck because musically they suck. I wasted about 15 bucks on party music. It sounds awful. I'm just not feeling the music....lyrically they are good but the tracks are straight shit. Maybe I just prefer harder beats or whatever. It seems like they made that shit on fucking ejay or something.

j

Lardlad95

20th October 2002, 18:37

maybe they should just get better beats then...

I mean I used to hate J5 but Cut Chemist got better

Overdose

20th October 2002, 21:24

Quote: from j on 5:46 pm on Oct. 20, 2002
The Coup suck because musically they suck. I wasted about 15 bucks on party music. It sounds awful. I'm just not feeling the music....lyrically they are good but the tracks are straight shit. Maybe I just prefer harder beats or whatever. It seems like they made that shit on fucking ejay or something.

j

Maybe lately they have begun to fall off, but have you heard some of their old shit? How can you say they musically suck, when they put out a track like "Me and Jesus The Pimp in a 79 Grenada" this song is a lyrical masterpiece, beats don't make a song, although they do help. Their beats aren't all that bad, although I do agree they need improvement, but come on man... Fat Cats, Bigga Fish is one of the dopest beats I've ever heard, but different people think different things...