Five killed in 'assassination attempt' on Dutch Royal Family

[Das war einmal]

Apeldoorn- The Netherlands


The Dutch Royal Family looked on in horror yesterday as a car ploughed into a crowd of wellwishers, killing five and injuring twelve.
The car smashed through two police barriers in an apparent attempt to ram the open-top bus carrying the royal party, which included Queen Beatrix, 71.
Dutch media reported that the driver, a 38-year-old man, had been fired from his job and faced eviction from his home.

More:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6201863.ece

So I can see that something snaps when you loose your job and everything, but why would you do something that cowardly?

[Decolonize The Left]

So I can see that something snaps when you loose your job and everything, but why would you do something that cowardly?

... because something "snapped?"

- August

[Das war einmal]

... because something "snapped?"

- August

Right but what was he hoping to achieve? Anyhow as terrible as it all is, it does point out the fact that this man, who believed to be social isolated, could have been helped. This could have been prevented, not in the way of force, but by a new job or something

[STJ]

To bad it didn't work.

[Revulero]

This can't be prevented until capitalism ceases to exist. More people are just gonna keep snapping especially with all these job losses that are occuring.

[RedAnarchist]

Apeldoorn- The Netherlands



More:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6201863.ece

So I can see that something snaps when you loose your job and everything, but why would you do something that cowardly?

To be honest, the only thing I see cowardly about this is that he put the lives of civilians in danger. I doubt many would shed a tear if he had been successful.

edit - Apparently, the man has just died, according to the Dutch media.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Have you seen the video of it. He's way off target.

[RedAnarchist]

No, I haven't.

[piet11111]

the thing that pisses me off is that the best he could hope for a direct hit to the bus would only have succeeded in perhaps knocking some royals out of their chair causing some bruises.

he did not even achieve that and for that 5 people had to die ?

the futility of this so called "assasination attempt" is what gets me mad.

[Das war einmal]

To be honest, the only thing I see cowardly about this is that he put the lives of civilians in danger. I doubt many would shed a tear if he had been successful.

edit - Apparently, the man has just died, according to the Dutch media.


The Royal Dutch Family is really very popular in The Netherlands. Its not really the fault of the Royal Family that this guy got fired.

[brigadista]

why?

[NecroCommie]

The royal families generally are symbols for those who did fire him.

[Pirate Utopian]

Have you seen the video of it. He's way off target.
And he's only in a small suzuki.

Like I said in chat.

Alot of people or atleast the ones shown in the media are giving their sympathy to the monarchy. Because their perfect little day was ruined.
And it was the 100th birthday of Juliana, "the people's queen" another overblown **** people love because she rode a bicycle to a store a few times.
Who gives a fuck about that hag's day?, 5 people just died, motherfuckers!

How a small suzuki would fuck up a big bus is also beyond me.

Queen's day is only good because it gives you a day off but now it falls under may holiday so we dont even get that from it.
Fuck orange craze.

[Communist Theory]

Wow what an idiotic attempt if you're gonna try and kill somebody important at least put some effort into it.
I was hoping at least 1 of the 5 would have been a member of the royal leeches.
Anyways good on the guy that attempted to make a difference.

[STJ]

To be honest, the only thing I see cowardly about this is that he put the lives of civilians in danger. I doubt many would shed a tear if he had been successful.

edit - Apparently, the man has just died, according to the Dutch media.
At least he tried to get rid of those bastards the Royal family. I only wish his driving was a little better.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

At least he tried to get rid of those bastards the Royal family. I only wish his driving was a little better.

Exactly. Poor bastard missed them so badly though. When you cut to the bus they all looked so scared. Fuckers.

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

Well I don't like royal families, but this goes too far, especially while killing svereal innocent civilians.

[STJ]

Exactly. Poor bastard missed them so badly though. When you cut to the bus they all looked so scared. Fuckers.
To bad he cant retry this.

[cyu]

The Royal Dutch Family is really very popular in The Netherlands. Its not really the fault of the Royal Family that this guy got fired.
You know what they say: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

And how good is the Royal Family anyway - they have chosen to remain "royal" after all. Why aren't they here in this forum, helping you out, or doing what you would do if you had their money and influence?

[Killfacer]

Nice idea, big shame he killed the wrong people.

[STJ]

The Royal Dutch Family is really very popular in The Netherlands. Its not really the fault of the Royal Family that this guy got fired.
Are you sure your a leftist cuz alot of your posts sound like you support there Royal asses?

[Pirate Utopian]

Well it's not their direct fault anyway.
They are just a part of the leeches who maintain the system, even symbolise it, which led to the man's losses.

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/44775424_jpg_624496f.jpg
Oh my look at those peasants!

[Marx22]

The Royal Family in the Netherlands or any other (or the majority) Royal Family in the world do nothing; why do they exist? It is tradition! They also said segregation was tradition but that didn't exactly work out too well. That tradition talk is a bunch of BS.

They are in essence figureheads and the majority of Monarchies nowadays have limited or no major governing powers in their country.

That man was just another victim of a capitalist society but I do not have any sympathy for him. This man wanted to kill members of the Royal Family but instead killed 5 innocents, that is not something to speak highly of.

[STJ]

Well it's not their direct fault anyway.
They are just a part of the leeches who maintain the system, even symbolise it, which led to the man's losses.

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/44775424_jpg_624496f.jpg

Oh my look at those peasants!

Exactly comrade.

[Q]

Are you sure your a leftist cuz alot of your posts sound like you support there Royal asses?

No, he makes a remark on the subjective situation (royal family being popular) and a simple observation (royal family had nothing to do with him being fired).

I am no supporter of the monarchy, the sooner we have a republic the better, but using this tragic incident for propagandising leftist ideas is poor form to say the least.

Also, stating stuff like "too bad he missed the target" is coming awfully close to glorifying terrorist tactics, something I'm completely opposed against.

[Wanted Man]

Are you sure your a leftist cuz alot of your posts sound like you support there Royal asses?
Don't be an idiot. He's stating facts that anyone from the Netherlands will probably agree with. I would also see the royal family disappear, rather today than tomorrow. But it's also true that they are popular.

Anyway, I agree with Q about using this incident politically. What really pissed me off is that the reformist trade union, the Labour Party (and the SP? I'm not sure) cancelled all their 1 May actions because of this incident. It's a pathetic and servile gesture. Our May Day celebration went on, with a minute of silence for the dead at the beginning.

[Sam_b]

I agree with Q on this one. Its worrying to see some of the comrades sympathising with the intent here: it smacks of propoganda of the deed tactics that most of the left disowned (and rightly so) years ago. Such actions are never a replacement for building a movement and in the current situation hurt our cause rather than promote it.

[Nosotros]

Have you seen the video of it. He's way off target.I know, how can you miss a bus!!

[piet11111]

I agree with Q on this one. Its worrying to see some of the comrades sympathising with the intent here: it smacks of propoganda of the deed tactics that most of the left disowned (and rightly so) years ago. Such actions are never a replacement for building a movement and in the current situation hurt our cause rather than promote it.

i am only human so i can not help but wish harm on the royalty.

[Chambered Word]

The Royal Family in the Netherlands or any other (or the majority) Royal Family in the world do nothing; why do they exist? It is tradition! They also said segregation was tradition but that didn't exactly work out too well. That tradition talk is a bunch of BS.

They are in essence figureheads and the majority of Monarchies nowadays have limited or no major governing powers in their country.

That man was just another victim of a capitalist society but I do not have any sympathy for him. This man wanted to kill members of the Royal Family but instead killed 5 innocents, that is not something to speak highly of.

I don't have any sympathy or admiration for him either.

The Royal Family is just a few individuals who have no real power at all, and nations who still have them tend to be more liberal anyway. The US seems to pride itself on its anti-monarchist stance and look at how much better they are. Instead of going ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH we should consider that he would have achieved very little by killing them, and his attempt really was stupid. He's just killed 5 innocent people.

If he'd hit their vehicle did he really think he'd kill many of them? Would it make a difference in this shitty world even if he had? If he'd used his brains he could have netted them all, but I'm not sure what he'd be accomplishing either way. Things would be business as usual. Like I said the Royal Family don't hold shit. It's the same sort of thing with Louis Mountbatten; he supposedly represented British colonialism and 'imperialism' when he'd actually done alot of charity work, and the IRA killed him (as well as other innocents who were on the boat that was bombed) for this even though it would achieve nothing at all.

This entire thing is a farce.

[STJ]

No, he makes a remark on the subjective situation (royal family being popular) and a simple observation (royal family had nothing to do with him being fired).

I am no supporter of the monarchy, the sooner we have a republic the better, but using this tragic incident for propagandising leftist ideas is poor form to say the least.

Also, stating stuff like "too bad he missed the target" is coming awfully close to glorifying terrorist tactics, something I'm completely opposed against.
If they are so popular overthere how will you ever get rid of them without terror?

[Q]

If they are so popular overthere how will you ever get rid of them without terror?

Popularity is hardly a given constant of nature. And individual terrorism is a method alien to marxist ideas of mass working class action.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

If they were to be killed on behalf of an Anarchist/Communist group and if it is true about them being so popular then the media would pump the people full of anti-commie propoganda that would seriously dent our movement.

[STJ]

If they were to be killed on behalf of an Anarchist/Communist group and if it is true about them being so popular then the media would pump the people full of anti-commie propoganda that would seriously dent our movement.
I have to say i agree with you the media would go crazy over it.

[Dóchas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltv1_Zx1uis&feature=related

look at the guy at the begining, he must have been hit so hard to go flying that far!! the people that are lying on the ground are innocent bystanders that the driver killed.

[YoungScouseRed]

Clearly the result of fustration!:(
xx

[STJ]

Yes it was againist the cappie system.

[Marx22]

Or how about the on youtube called "TERROR ATTACK - Car hits crowd near Dutch queen's bus" (my post isn't high enough to post link, search it), at 26 seconds in it shows the reaction of the oh so popular royal family. They didn't give a shit, the queen didn't even move her head to look.



If they were to be killed on behalf of an Anarchist/Communist group and if it is true about them being so popular then the media would pump the people full of anti-commie propoganda that would seriously dent our movement.


Of course, it would give them an opening to spew out all their anti-communist, pro-capitalist rhetoric. Though that doesn't mean communist movements in that area should stop what they are doing because of this, the royal family there I'm certain will be using this horrible incident to their profit, and bash opposition.

[Led Zeppelin]

Yes it was againist the cappie system.

Yes, the attacker was a conscious anti-capitalist, perhaps even a revolutionary Marxist or anarchist, and that's why he should be supported.

Seriously, take This Charming Man's advice and don't be an idiot.

The guy was obviously a disgruntled person, disgruntled with the system, but that doesn't absolve his idiotic and murderous action. Most murders are either directly or indirectly caused by the current economic system, that doesn't absolve them either, does it?

Or do you perhaps believe that those kids who shoot up schools are also deserving of praise for their actions, because what they did was "against the cappie system"?

Jeez, I can imagine ordinary people reading the stuff you're saying and cringing.

[STJ]

Yes, the attacker was a conscious anti-capitalist, perhaps even a revolutionary Marxist or anarchist, and that's why he should be supported.

Seriously, take This Charming Man's advice and don't be an idiot.

The guy was obviously a disgruntled person, disgruntled with the system, but that doesn't absolve his idiotic and murderous action. Most murders are either directly or indirectly caused by the current economic system, that doesn't absolve them either, does it?

Or do you perhaps believe that those kids who shoot up schools are also deserving of praise for their actions, because what they did was "against the cappie system"?

Jeez, I can imagine ordinary people reading the stuff you're saying and cringing.
I feel bad for the innocent people losing there lives in this but the Royal Familys lives i could careless about. They are throwbacks to feudalism and should be done away with.

[STJ]

We Americans usually hate your kings and queens in Europe.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Killing civilians is awful and we cannot condone that but that doesn't mean we should not applaud him in his attempt to kill the royal family.

[Wanted Man]

Killing civilians is awful and we cannot condone that but that doesn't mean we should not applaud him in his attempt to kill the royal family.
Why? It's hard to even call it an "attempt to kill". The little Suzuki Swift would have had a hard time to even put a dent in the armored bus that the monarchs were riding. There were also no bombs in the car, or any other indication that it was anything more than it was. It was not a serious attack or "assassination attempt", and that kind of sensationalist coverage is annoying the shit out of me.

Don't blow things out of proportion - it was not a commendable politically-motivated attack, nor was it evil "individual terrorism". It was only a bloody murder against people who have done nothing wrong. Several families have been torn apart, but everyone is only concerned about how the perpetrator was an evil psycho, or how the royal family has reacted to the incident. Fucking disgusting.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

Why? It's hard to even call it an "attempt to kill". The little Suzuki Swift would have had a hard time to even put a dent in the armored bus that the monarchs were riding. There were also no bombs in the car, or any other indication that it was anything more than it was. It was not a serious attack or "assassination attempt", and that kind of sensationalist coverage is annoying the shit out of me.

Don't blow things out of proportion - it was not a commendable politically-motivated attack, nor was it evil "individual terrorism". It was only a bloody murder against people who have done nothing wrong. Several families have been torn apart, but everyone is only concerned about how the perpetrator was an evil psycho, or how the royal family has reacted to the incident. Fucking disgusting.

Definitely it is horrible what the guy did to the civilians who lost their lives. But surely you don't believe he intended to kill civilians and had no intention of killing the royal family.

[Q]

Definitely it is horrible what the guy did to the civilians who lost their lives. But surely you don't believe he intended to kill civilians and had no intention of killing the royal family.

What makes you think he did? Like TCM pointed out, if he really was trying to kill the royals, he royally fucked up.

Secondly, as has been pointed out in this thread multiple times already: individual terrorism is not the way to "solve problems", mass class action is.

And thirdly, the press coverage has been focused mainly on the royals, like TCM pointed out. The royals were attacked, not the people on the festivities. The royals were disgusted by the attacks, not the working class. The royals will now be more secured, the rest will just be as vulnerable as before.

What strikes me here is that several left people seem to fall into this bourgeois logic aswell: the royals get attacked by an attempt of individual terrorism, "oh, too bad he missed the target... oh and too bad of all the other people that died or get wounded too".

You lot are disgusting.

[Wanted Man]

Definitely it is horrible what the guy did to the civilians who lost their lives. But surely you don't believe he intended to kill civilians and had no intention of killing the royal family.
We can't look into his mind, because he's dead now. But it seems to me that the intention was to go out with a bang before anything else. Was he going to hit the bus, or just kill some civvies on the way before coming to a screeching halt against a monument? Or maybe he was going to crash into the fencing, or get shot by an alert cop? I think the only difference would have been the amount of publicity. I can't imagine that he seriously saw a chance of killing the monarchy.

Q, I think it's cheap to use the term "individual terrorism" as well. It would have been more appropriate if it had been a few political radicals with a lot of premeditation, and something like a bomb attack. With, perhaps, the idea that the death of the royals (and innocents) would have "radicalised the masses" in propaganda of the deed style. That's not the case at all here.

Other than that, I fully agree.

[Q]

*plong*

[Q]

Q, I think it's cheap to use the term "individual terrorism" as well. It would have been more appropriate if it had been a few political radicals with a lot of premeditation, and something like a bomb attack. With, perhaps, the idea that the death of the royals (and innocents) would have "radicalised the masses" in propaganda of the deed style. That's not the case at all here.

For clarity, I think this was just a crazy nutter and not an actual terrorist. So I agree, "individual terrorism" is not the case here. However, several people in this thread made remarks that are glorifying attacks on the queen, thusly think individual terrorism is ok. Even if we ignore the political consequences of such attacks (increased state repression, etc), I think this is quite disgusting because it totally disregards human life under the idea of "the end justifies the means".

[Stranger Than Paradise]

For clarity, I think this was just a crazy nutter and not an actual terrorist. So I agree, "individual terrorism" is not the case here. However, several people in this thread made remarks that are glorifying attacks on the queen, thusly think individual terrorism is ok. Even if we ignore the political consequences of such attacks (increased state repression, etc), I think this is quite disgusting because it totally disregards human life under the idea of "the end justifies the means".

So your telling me you don't believe in violent revolution?

[Stranger Than Paradise]

We can't look into his mind, because he's dead now. But it seems to me that the intention was to go out with a bang before anything else. Was he going to hit the bus, or just kill some civvies on the way before coming to a screeching halt against a monument? Or maybe he was going to crash into the fencing, or get shot by an alert cop? I think the only difference would have been the amount of publicity. I can't imagine that he seriously saw a chance of killing the monarchy.

Q, I think it's cheap to use the term "individual terrorism" as well. It would have been more appropriate if it had been a few political radicals with a lot of premeditation, and something like a bomb attack. With, perhaps, the idea that the death of the royals (and innocents) would have "radicalised the masses" in propaganda of the deed style. That's not the case at all here.

Other than that, I fully agree.

Ok I see. This guy just wanted to go crazy with a car. I suppose we'll never know if he meant to kill the royal family or not.

[Q]

So your telling me you don't believe in violent revolution?

If by that you mean some guerillia struggle or civil war: no. I'm no pacifist, I think violence can be used to defend yourself. But it is a tool alien to working class collective interests.

[Killfacer]

We can't look into his mind, because he's dead now. But it seems to me that the intention was to go out with a bang before anything else. Was he going to hit the bus, or just kill some civvies on the way before coming to a screeching halt against a monument? Or maybe he was going to crash into the fencing, or get shot by an alert cop? I think the only difference would have been the amount of publicity. I can't imagine that he seriously saw a chance of killing the monarchy.

Q, I think it's cheap to use the term "individual terrorism" as well. It would have been more appropriate if it had been a few political radicals with a lot of premeditation, and something like a bomb attack. With, perhaps, the idea that the death of the royals (and innocents) would have "radicalised the masses" in propaganda of the deed style. That's not the case at all here.

Other than that, I fully agree.

*hangs head in shame*

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

I can tell you,

[Wakizashi the Bolshevik]

I can tell you, that sadly enough very much Dutch people really love the royal family.
I live only a few kilometres from the border with Holland, and there are many Dutch people living here in Belgium.
And they are realy patriotic if there is a national Dutch celebration, or a football match.

[STJ]

All violence does is turn people off to your ideas. Look at what the Nazi skinheads do and ask yourself does beating people up help or hurt your cause.

[Stranger Than Paradise]

All violence does is turn people off to your ideas. Look at what the Nazi skinheads do and ask yourself does beating people up help or hurt your cause.

Definitely that's exactly why I what I was saying earlier about the media reacting to an Anarchist/Communist group. Propoganda of the deed is a failed tactic. Even more so in society where there is relatively low class consciousness.

[Comrade B]

ight but what was he hoping to achieve? Anyhow as terrible as it all is, it does point out the fact that this man, who believed to be social isolated, could have been helped. This could have been prevented, not in the way of force, but by a new job or something
death. His life was fucked, it sounds like he wanted a publicized death. One hates the idea of royalty, they are tired of living, and want to be remembered for something.

[STJ]

Definitely that's exactly why I what I was saying earlier about the media reacting to an Anarchist/Communist group. Propoganda of the deed is a failed tactic. Even more so in society where there is relatively low class consciousness.
We are in complete agreement.