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Idealism
29th April 2009, 22:09
So i have a few questions on the first chapter
http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1920/terrcomm/ch01.htm
if starting with the paragraph that starts "If, beginning with the productive bases of society, we ascend the stages of the superstructure" and ending with the ending sentence of the next paragraph " by means of its howitzers, machine-guns, dreadnoughts and aeroplanes, it began a furious pogrom of human culture." What is the concept of "superstructure" and "weight" used in the first part of that section? Who are the "great forces of production" why are they a "shock factor in history" and how did the forces of stagnation as said in that paragraph lead to WW1? "in this way the cause of the misfortunes at present experienced by humanity is precisely that the development of the technical command of men over nature has long ago grown ripe for the socialization of economic life." in what way?

LOLseph Stalin
30th April 2009, 02:24
Funny, the link didn't direct me. Oh well. If this is the document i'm thinking of it's basically saying that terrorism is counter-productive. Acts of terror would just make people fear us and turn away from us. Instead to get support we need to educate people in a peaceful way.

Idealism
30th April 2009, 02:36
Funny, the link didn't direct me. Oh well. If this is the document i'm thinking of it's basically saying that terrorism is counter-productive. Acts of terror would just make people fear us and turn away from us. Instead to get support we need to educate people in a peaceful way.

Fixed the link, and from the read ive gotten so-far, its actually talking about the use of state terror and how it is needed lol.

LOLseph Stalin
30th April 2009, 03:17
its actually talking about the use of state terror and how it is needed

It could be a different document then. I don't know, but there is one talking about how terrorism shouldn't be used because it just makes the movement look bad.

STJ
30th April 2009, 03:23
All violence does is turn people off to what your trying to say.

Oktyabr
30th April 2009, 03:26
its not terrorism if 75% of the population approves of it ;)

Idealism
30th April 2009, 03:28
It could be a different document then. I don't know, but there is one talking about how terrorism shouldn't be used because it just makes the movement look bad.

probably centered around individual acts of terrorism then, not the use of control by the state.

STJ
30th April 2009, 03:29
Look at what nazi skinheads do and ask yourself does beating up some one help or hurt your cause.

Idealism
30th April 2009, 04:00
Look at what nazi skinheads do and ask yourself does beating up some one help or hurt your cause.

i said that was bad too. Terror is not referring to that or suicide bombers or things like Oklahoma, it is refering to state terror or use of violence by the state against counter revolutionaries, which trotsky was in favor of; as i think you are too. I put a link at the top of the page, it was about a book im reading http://www.amazon.com/Terrorism-Communism-Revolutions-Leon-Trotsky/dp/184467178X/ref=pd_cp_b_2?pf_rd_p=413864201&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1844671577&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0ZSQ3M0NPRGM4B414F5Y

By Leon trotsky, about the use of "terror" or violence used by the state, and i had some questions on the first chapter.

LOLseph Stalin
30th April 2009, 06:10
probably centered around individual acts of terrorism then, not the use of control by the state.

I think it was. If it was the entire Proletarian population acting against the Bourgeoisie then it technically wouldn't be "terrorism", but a revolution. It was individual terrorism that Trotsky opposed. He explained that in a separate document.

STJ
1st May 2009, 23:02
its not terrorism if 75% of the population approves of it ;)
Of course its not.:D