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blackstone
28th April 2009, 21:29
Two boys, different towns, same ages, commit suicide very close to the same time. Why? Because of bullying in school. Both parents had gone to the school but nothing stopped the bullying. The boys were not homosexual boys but as kids do they were teased incessantly and both boys were called, " gay" by the way thats the new word for girl and boys hate it.

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Herrera

The April 6 suicide of an 11 year old boy who suffered ant-gay taunts and bullying at school marked the fourth such incident this year in which a student killed himself after suffering harassment.

Now the number has grown to five with the hanging death of Jeheem Herrera, according to an April 21 article in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Herrera, a fifth grader, reportedly endured harassment and bullying at school despite Georgia law meant to prohibit it.

Moreover, schools in DeKalb, where Herrera’s family resides, specifically forbids bullying (including "cyber-bullying" via the Internet), with strict penalties in place for infractions.

But that wasn’t enough to prevent Herrera’s suffering and suicide, reported the article, which cited the boy’s family as saying that Herrera had endured "relentless" bullying at Dunaire Elementary School.

A school spokesperson was quoted as saying that anti-bullying laws and policies did not constitute "a vaccine" against such harassment.

Jennifer Errion added that such laws exist in the context of "a society that is often misguided. We’ve created the idea that bullying is a rite of passage, and I don’t think it is."

Herrera reportedly hung himself with a belt after returning home from school on April 16. His younger sister discovered the body, the article said.

According to Herrera’s stepfather, kids at school "called him gay and a snitch. All the time they’d call him this."

Herrera’s mother told the media that when she asked her son’s friend about the bullying Herrera reportedly endured, "He said, ’Yes ma’am. He told me that he’s tired of everybody always messing with him in school.’"

The friend added, "’He is tired of telling the teachers and the staff, and they never do anything about the problems. So, the only way out is by killing himself.’"

Herrera’s death took place the day before this year’s "Day of Silence," which, as reported at EDGE was, in some places, dedicated to the memory of another 11-year-old suicide victim.

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Walker-Hoover

Herrera’s death follows the April 6 hanging death of 11-year-old Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover in Springfield, Massachusetts, who suffered anti-gay taunts at school despite his mother’s reported "weekly" attempts to get the school’s administration to intervene.

"Some students are holding the day this year in memory of Carl Walker-Hoover, an 11-year-old from Springfield, Mass., who took his life April 6 after enduring constant bullying at school, including anti-LGBT attacks," a news release from the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network (GLSEN) read.

"Carl, who did not identify as gay, would have turned 12 on the Day of Silence," noted the release from GLSEN, which is a national advocate of safe schools and GLBT youth.

The April 17 edition of The New York Times took note of the rash of suicides among middle and elementary schoolers, in a column by Judith Warner titled, "Dude, You’ve Got Problems."

Wrote Warner, "Being called a ’fag,’ you see, actually has almost nothing to do with being gay.

"Words like ’fag’ and ’gay’ are now among the most potent and feared weapons in the school bully’s arsenal.

"It’s really about showing any perceived weakness or femininity--by being emotional, seeming incompetent, caring too much about clothing, liking to dance or even having an interest in literature."

Moreover, noted the EDGE article, "[A]s study after study has shown, a good deal of gay bashing comes from personal gay panic," or a fear by the individual attacking those perceived to be gay that he might be gay himself.

The EDGE article also referenced a YouTube video in which a 12-year-old claims to be an "ex-gay," or a person who has experienced same-sex attraction but "overcome" such attraction and "converted" to heterosexuality.

That young boy, the story said, had himself been harassed, with tormentors inviting him to kill himself.

The article also noted that a normal part of human sexual development includes a period of same-sex attraction--even for those who grow up to find themselves included by natural inclination in the heterosexual majority.

Such "gay panic" makes it hard to put relevant legislation and school policies into place in a timely manner. Even with such laws and policies in place, the question of enforcement is never a certainty.

To add to the confusion, there are some religious and conservative groups that appear to implicitly condone, if not approve of, anti-gay bullying in schools. In some states where anti-bullying legislation has been deliberated, anti-gay groups have objected on the grounds that law against attacking GLBT students might "promote" a homosexual "lifestyle."

Even the Day of Silence, in which GLBT youth and their straight allies observe a day without speaking at school to symbolize the lack of voice of gay students, has come under attack recently from conservative and religious parents who threatened to keep their children home on April 17 rather than allowing them to attend school on a day when some of their classmates might stay quiet in protest of anti-gay bullying.

Dóchas
28th April 2009, 21:51
as much as schools try to prevent bullying it will never be completely stopped. i have to say i felt quite emotional reading that article (so does that mean im gay? :confused: not that there is anyhting wrong with it in the first place) and my heart goes out to all of those affected by these tragic events. im sorry to say that the language used against the people in that article is very prevelent in my school and being called "gay", "fag" and "bender" are just a part of normal school life. i cant see where this kind of bullyin started but it seems to be pretty strong in schools all over the world know.

manic expression
30th April 2009, 01:48
Absolutely heartbreaking.

If you ask me, most schools don't do anything effective to stop bullying. The popular "zero tolerance policy" for fighting in most American schools just empowers bullies...if you defend yourself against emotional, psychological and physical intimidation, you're just as guilty as the bully. School authorities just tell kids to "walk away" or to "tell an adult", two things guaranteed to make the bullying worse and even more brutal.

As for "fag" and "gay", that stuff was everyday vocabulary 8-10 years ago, it was just another insult as far as we were concerned. I think the difference really comes when a bigger kid (or a group, etc.) starts targeting someone individually, singling them out and alienating them completely. That's when it gets beyond painful to the point where tragedies happen. Of course, it's not always like that, but I feel like that's the most dangerous situation.

I personally think bullies should be dealt with an iron fist, they have no compassion and delight in ruining other people's lives.

#FF0000
30th April 2009, 03:33
Bullying in middle and elementary school is the worst sort of bullying. Kids at that age are just brutal.


as much as schools try to prevent bullying it will never be completely stopped

The thing is, they don't try to prevent it at all. Generally, people are dismissive of it, saying "Oh they are just kids". To make things worse, middle school education is focused heavily on teaching kids responsibility, and the way they do that is absolutely ridiculous. Where I went to school, for example, they would publicly humiliate students who had messy lockers or desks by making them clean their lockers while everyone was in the hallway, or emptying your desk with everybody watching, which really does spur a lot of abuse.

Black Dagger
30th April 2009, 03:52
Yes that is a good point. Schools themselves are premised on 'bullying' - i can remember from my time in school... teachers who would ridicule students in front of others (like you said, often this public humiliation was deliberate!), the whole disciplinary system that schools employ is just as demeaning as inter-student bullying IMO. In theory it's probably worse because teachers as the authority have no real accountability for their actions, certainly not to the students anyway - and their 'bullying' is easily masked by teacher-student discipline I.E. it's okay for teachers to humiliate students if it is 'punishment' for breaking school rules, but students humiliating other students is regarded as 'wrong' (it is) and against the schools rule on bullying.

blackstone
30th April 2009, 18:08
You all make some very excellent points..

Stranger Than Paradise
30th April 2009, 18:18
I agree with what Black Dagger says. In some cases teachers can often encourage this sort of bullying as they will taunt and take the piss out of students turning everyone against them. They also don't do anything to stop homophobic comments as they are insecure and themselves homophobic. At the most most teachers will say 'I'm not homophobic, anyone can do whatever they want' it hardly does much to stop it.

Teachers need to confront homophobia and in my opinion other forms of discrimination more directly in my opinion. We can only expect more tragic news stories like these ones if the teachers are not going to confront the subject and confront it PROPERLY.

Dóchas
30th April 2009, 20:57
i suggest we all try and count how many times we hear a homophobic reference i for one day and see how many it is. i garuntee you it will be very suprising and saddening

The Red Next Door
2nd May 2009, 01:27
sickos that why bullies need their asses kick

Marx22
2nd May 2009, 02:04
It is really sad to hear these type of stories, those kids did not even live their lifes. You know often times you hear about educational funding or how schools like to show off their neat funding for anti-bullying programs? They do nothing, most schools just put that funding in there to make it seem they are putting your taxes to good use and to create a false sense of security among parents and kids. The blame rests with the school and the teachers; it seems like these days teachers are a bit hesistant to speak up against bullies and (oh no a bad word) tell them to stop because they fear they might not be accepted or looked upon as the not-cool teacher. You can see across the US that teachers are acting more like the students and not giving a shit, they teach for the money not to pass down knowledge. Hell they even dress like them, talk like them, and they even sleep with them and for what? There needs to be a serious crackdown on these schools who neglect to enforce any kind of serious bully prevention, this story can't should not go away not a for a second.

The US public school system is revolting.

Drace
2nd May 2009, 03:05
If you ask me, most schools don't do anything effective to stop bullying. The popular "zero tolerance policy" for fighting in most American schools just empowers bullies...if you defend yourself against emotional, psychological and physical intimidation, you're just as guilty as the bully. School authorities just tell kids to "walk away" or to "tell an adult", two things guaranteed to make the bullying worse and even more brutal.If you ask me, schools administrators are complete retards who have no understanding of social behavior for the reasons you mentioned and more.

And eliminating the use of the words "fag" wont do anything. Words are created and meant to serve as objects that enable communication. If someone has the thought "that kid is an idiot" and the word "fag" doesnt exist, they will just use another word.

Really the particular use of what words have been used does not matter. Only that the kid experienced extreme bullying.

Im not sure if we can blame the schools here so easily though. What can they do about it?

Mujer Libre
2nd May 2009, 04:28
If you ask me, schools administrators are complete retards who have no understanding of social behavior for the reasons you mentioned and more.

And eliminating the use of the words "fag" wont do anything. Words are created and meant to serve as objects that enable communication. If someone has the thought "that kid is an idiot" and the word "fag" doesnt exist, they will just use another word.

Really the particular use of what words have been used does not matter. Only that the kid experienced extreme bullying.

Im not sure if we can blame the schools here so easily though. What can they do about it?

Drace, using prejudiced language, such as "retard", is not allowed on the board and you can be warned for it.

manic expression
4th May 2009, 00:22
And eliminating the use of the words "fag" wont do anything. Words are created and meant to serve as objects that enable communication. If someone has the thought "that kid is an idiot" and the word "fag" doesnt exist, they will just use another word.

Really the particular use of what words have been used does not matter. Only that the kid experienced extreme bullying.

Yeah, I agree with that. If it wasn't "fag" it would've been "pussy" or another word. Bullying isn't any less horrible if the bully isn't homophobic. Hell, just making up a nickname and repeating it relentlessly is enough to drive most to tears (I myself played a role in perpetrating this at one time, and I feel terrible about it to this day).


Im not sure if we can blame the schools here so easily though. What can they do about it

Well, I'm not an expert, but I do think letting kids defend themselves (and congratulating them for it, too) would be a big first step. If a kid can defend themselves, it empowers them and it can make bullies realize they're not invincible (although it can embolden them). Encouraging older students to stick up for younger students wherever possible might help as well. Putting up cliqued posters about why bullying's mean doesn't do anything, you need to drive home the fact that bullying is wrong and will be punished with an iron fist at every stage of pedagogy. Also, in my experience, bullies come from either troubled homes or privileged environments of might-makes-right; doing away with both will go a long way to making education fulfilling instead of a process of psychological, emotional and physical torture. That means deep social changes.

If you want my honest opinion on a last resort (and something that's only really applicable in a socialist society), I think schools should be able, through the input of teachers and administrators (and students), to send bullies to separate schools designed to reform them. I'm not talking about juve, I think there should be an institution with the express purpose of de-bullying bullies through education (instead of the capitalist method of throwing kids in the pen and watching them get worse).

Catbus
5th May 2009, 19:09
There's a bill that still hasn't been voted on in North Carolina that would create a no tolerance policy to bullying based on race, age, sexual orientation, gender, or any other causes. However, it's being protested by right-wing Christian activist groups because it "promotes a homosexual agenda."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=177322

Glenn Beck
5th May 2009, 22:30
There's a bill that still hasn't been voted on in North Carolina that would create a no tolerance policy to bullying based on race, age, sexual orientation, gender, or any other causes. However, it's being protested by right-wing Christian activist groups because it "promotes a homosexual agenda."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=177322

God forbid it becomes illegal to bully gay kids mercilessly. What would Christ think of such a ghastly bill?

Eva
5th May 2009, 23:58
I don't think schools will ever manage to fully solve the problem. The most they can do, is give a demerit or expel a kid, which would hardly prevent the child from continuing to behave that way. This is of those "it begins at home" situations.

A bully is a person who views harassment as a perfectly okay way to interact with others. Kids become bullies as a response to their environment. Quite frankly, most bullies feel threatened by what's going on around then and figure that being a jerk is the best way to ensure that nobody messes with them. Others have mediocre parents or unstable lives and get a kick out of pretending to be in control of things.

Bullying is something that goes on forever. Even as adults, we need to deal with that jerk who gives us funny looks and all that water-cooler talk at work.

I'm not trying to say that we should go out of way to shelter children and depriving them of any materials that could possible make reference to violence, or that legislation aimed at promoting tolerance is useless. What I'm saying is that it's important for parents teach their children empathy and self-esteem, but overall, a sense of social responsibility. It's important to teach kids to have a sense of worth from an early age and to provide them with as many tools as possible for them to develop confidence and the ability to step up for other people, because things can get pretty nasty and there isn't always somebody out there to protect us.

khad
7th May 2009, 19:24
Yeah, I agree with that. If it wasn't "fag" it would've been "pussy" or another word. Bullying isn't any less horrible if the bully isn't homophobic. Hell, just making up a nickname and repeating it relentlessly is enough to drive most to tears (I myself played a role in perpetrating this at one time, and I feel terrible about it to this day).
As some in this forum would claim, it's just free speech, and people who get offended are obviously uppity whiners because no one has the right to be not offended. :rolleyes:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1437256&postcount=12

I find it highly amusing that these liberal free expression fetishizers come to this forum, one of the most tightly moderated forums I've ever seen.