The Debates: Nominations

[Led Zeppelin]

First see the thread explaining The Debates by clicking here. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/discussing-ideology-political-t107573/index.html?p=1428504#post1428504) :p

Ok, now that you know what it's about, start nominating subjects you'd like to see debated or would like to debate yourself, which will then go to a poll for a Debate thread to be made after its done and a subject is chosen.

The subjects with at least 5 nominations will be included in the poll.

[Led Zeppelin]

I nominate the subjects:

The concept of a vanguard or revolutionary party.
The theory of Permanent Revolution.
National-liberation and the rights of nations to self-determination.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Fan-fucking tastic idea in my opinion.

I second Led's nominations.

[Led Zeppelin]

Haha, will since there aren't a lot of nominations it would be best to change the required 5 nominations to 2. :p

[F9]

Haha, will since there aren't a lot of nominations it would be best to change the required 5 nominations to 2. :p

Ok if you enlist i third those:p Seem interesting subjects, dont know if i can find the time to take up one though!:(

[Led Zeppelin]

Ok if you enlist i third those:p Seem interesting subjects, dont know if i can find the time to take up one though!:(

About that, members shouldn't be discouraged to nominate subjects or vote for them by thinking that they have to be actively involved in the discussion on it!

As I said, even if you only wish to see a discussion on a subject, you can nominate and vote for it.

This enables members to nominate and vote for subjects they would like to see debated not only to learn something from it, but also to maybe ask questions about it. :)

[mykittyhasaboner]

Maybe it could be "Permanent Revolution vs Socialism in One Country"? I think that would be a good sticky since that discussion is played out over, and over again.

[Led Zeppelin]

Yeah, I think I'll vote for that because a lot of threads end up in that argument, and I'm interested in debating it as well.

[Kassad]

Definitely 'socialism in one country' vs. 'permanent revolution.' I'll gladly take part.

[LOLseph Stalin]

I like the vanguardism debate idea. It would definitely be interesting to see how that plays out with Anti-Vanguard Marxists and Anarchists.

[Led Zeppelin]

Alright, nominations have been open for a week so I'll add a poll.

I'll add all the subjects with three nominations, which is the bar for now.

Vote away! :)

[Led Zeppelin]

I voted for 'Socialism In One Country' or 'Permanent Revolution'

[F9]

I voted for 'Socialism In One Country' or 'Permanent Revolution'

Actually voted about that too, the second one seemed interesting too, but it is something that comes up very usually(as this one too, but not that often) and usually it has its own "fight rounds", lets hope this wont get there!:)

Fuserg9:star:

[Invariance]

Things I would like to participate in:


Debates on economic theory, be it Marxist or neoclassical/marginalism.

Debates on economic history of the USSR.
History/Defence of the Bolsheviks.
Nature of science/history of science/philosophy of science.

Things I would like to see:


A proper debate between the fundamentals of anarchism and the fundamentals of Marxism & which is a better 'tool' or a better revolutionary theory.

[Il Medico]

This is a bloody fantastic idea man, just what I've been looking for. I'll debate on any subject. :thumbup1: Hopefully it will stir up conversation and action on these topics and get the revolution rolling again!
Thanks again comrade,
Captain Jack

[mykittyhasaboner]

Socialism in One Country vs Permanent Revolution.

I would be so glad if we finally had a proper sticky for that debate. Since a lot of threads boil down to it, it is easy to move posts on the topic, that aren't necessarily on topic for the thread there in, into the sticky. Plus its nice to have a constant on going debate on a subject that will probably never ever be resolved. :p

[Brother No. 1]

Socialism in one country vs Permeant Revoution.
These 2 ideas should have a debate for they are the perfect debateable things. Plus it'll be fun debating about it.

[Il Medico]

Yeah, Polish Soviet is right. That would be a good debate. I think that A debate on vanguard is also needed.

Can't wait!
Captain Jack

[Stranger Than Paradise]

I voted Vanguard party debate. I would love that one.

[Led Zeppelin]

Alright, The concept of a vanguard or revolutionary party won, but I'm going to hold off on the debate thread for a week or so if members don't mind. I'm going to be really busy with exams so I won't have time to participate myself, and I don't want the thread to lack any attention or activity just because I (and maybe others) don't have the time to participate in it right now due to exams.

So yeah, please wait for a week or so. :)

But feel free to nominate subjects for the next round of debates.

EDIT: I just saw a thread that's actually discussing this already, so if anyone wants to participate here's the link Discussion on vanguardism (http://www.revleft.com/vb/discussion-vanguardism-t104282/index.html)

[mykittyhasaboner]

I nominate "Socialism in One Country" vs. Permanent Revolution for the next one.

[Led Zeppelin]

My exams are finally over but I'm still pretty busy until the weekend, so I'll make the thread on either Friday or Saturday. :)

[Black Sheep]

The concept of a vanguard or revolutionary partyCan someone elaborate on the topic a little?
Because with the 'or',you imply that a vanguard party is not a revolutionary party, something in which leninists disagree.
I mean,it would be better phrase as 'a vanguard party or... not'. Meaning a new type party (leninist), or a non democratic centralist party.

Also, where is the debate going to take place? Link please?

[Led Zeppelin]

Can someone elaborate on the topic a little?
Because with the 'or',you imply that a vanguard party is not a revolutionary party, something in which leninists disagree.
I mean,it would be better phrase as 'a vanguard party or... not'. Meaning a new type party (leninist), or a non democratic centralist party.

I'm sorry about the confusion, but the "or" was not meant to imply an either-or distinction between a vanguard party and a revolutionary party. It was meant to imply a distinction between a vanguard party and a revolutionary party which is not (yet, according to some) a vanguard party, so the subject of the debate is about the concept of both vanguard and revolutionary parties.


Also, where is the debate going to take place? Link please?

In the Theory forum, but the thread hasn't been made yet. As I said above, I'll make it either tomorrow or Saturday.

[Led Zeppelin]

Hmm, even though my exams are over I'm still really busy and have very little time (working on a short movie project, getting a drivers license, setting up a blog on Marxist theory etc.), too little to spearhead these debate threads by posting in-depth and lengthy replies regularly.

So is there anyone else who wants to do this? I'll oversee the debates and make sure no spam is posted, sticky your threads, set up the polls, and make sure that they are added to the Database of Discussions thread.

Make sure you got a lot of time on your hands though! :p

PM me (http://www.revleft.com/vb/private.php?do=newpm&u=10457) if you're interested, or post on my profile page (http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=10457).

[IllustriousCommie]

I nominate the orthodox Trotskyist theory that the Soviet Union was a "degenerated workers-state" and it's satellites "deformed workers-states" versus the unorthodox Trotskyist theory created by Tony Cliff that they were simply state-monopoly capitalist states.

I'll sum it up like this for concision: The USSR and it's satellites: "degenerated/deformed 'workers-states'" or "state capitalism"?

[Led Zeppelin]

Ok, so let's get back to this.

The concept of a vanguard or revolutionary party won the vote so we should start discussing that, but there seems to be a discussion going on about it already here (http://www.revleft.com/vb/discussion-sp-gb-t113799/index.html), so if you want to participate in that go ahead.

I'll add that thread to the Database of discussion when it has run its course.

In a few days I'll start another nomination poll so that we can pick a new topic for discussion.

[Led Zeppelin]

Made new nomination thread. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/debates-nominations-t114853/index.html?t=114853)